Does the Mingo trade say anything about the development of Tolbert?

[kskboys]

But thats the thing though if you compare Dallas to KC the drafting really is pretty even. Since Mahomes they have top picks of Xavier Worthy who is too early to judge but hasnt made an impact yet. FAU who barely has seen the field, Trent McDuffie who is a phenomenal player, Nick Bolton who is pretty average, CEH has been a bust, Mecole Hardman who hasnt made a major impact, and Breeland Sparks who I believe is out of the league. Their hitting on guys at about the same rate that Dallas is.

Yes KC has hit on some great players after round 1, but so have the Cowboys in Overshown, Ferg, Bland, OSA, Diggs, Biadasz, Beebe etc.

It's not about rate. It's about who you take. If we'd have taken Chris Jones and Creed Humphrey, we'd be a completely different team. Counting successes isn't how you evaluate a draft. Plus, we keep painting ourselves into a corner where we're forced to draft certain positions, and then we can't even look at other positions. Tyler Smith, for example. Great player. However, a more impactful player would've been George Karlaftis, an absolute beast inside. We couldn't take him due to previous draft misses on the OL.

KC's drafting has resulted in a top 10 D. Our drafting has resulted in a D that can't stop anyone. Think, man, who's drafting better?

During their 2023 super bowl run, the Chiefs held their opponents to 15.8 PPG. Those teams had averaged 28.3 during the season. They held BALT to 10 pts.

 

[kskboys]

This is the failed Trey Lance logic all over again. You are correct that pre draft he was considered a 2nd round talent but once the games started over the past 2 years he was so inept that he got replaced in the starting lineup by an undrafted rookie.

Yup. Mingo is not a 2nd round talent.

Just because a player is taken in a round, it does not necessarily mean that he belonged in that round. Kelvin Joseph was not a 2nd round talent. Neither was Trysten Hill.

 

[thunderpimp91]

It's not about rate. It's about who you take. If we'd have taken Chris Jones and Creed Humphrey, we'd be a completely different team. Counting successes isn't how you evaluate a draft. Plus, we keep painting ourselves into a corner where we're forced to draft certain positions, and then we can't even look at other positions. Tyler Smith, for example. Great player. However, a more impactful player would've been George Karlaftis, an absolute beast inside. We couldn't take him due to previous draft misses on the OL.

KC's drafting has resulted in a top 10 D. Our drafting has resulted in a D that can't stop anyone. Think, man, who's drafting better?

During their 2023 super bowl run, the Chiefs held their opponents to 15.8 PPG. Those teams had averaged 28.3 during the season. They held BALT to 10 pts.

I agree with you there, but I think you're getting into a bigger discussion than just the draft. KC does something the Cowboys refuse to do...actually several things. They will move on from an elite WR to free cap space and load up on draft picks, while Jerry couldnt ever fathom moving on from one of his guys. They will go grab a FA when they have an injury early on to an impact player like Pacheco while the Cowboys see Bland go down and give us the we like our guys line. They'll go grab free agents or explore trade options for their OL instead of being forced to select multiple guys early in the draft. They'll go get a WR like DHOP at the trade deadline.

The Cowboys drafting ability and UDFAs is what has kept this team afloat for years now. Its managing the rest of the process that has absolutely killed the Cowboys chances of success and locks them into using picks on certain positions instead of having that BPA flexibility.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

That's just the fans falling for WR's who can get open against slugs and straightliners.

... and in TC Dak isn't under duress and threat of actually being sacked. It angers me how much time and effort and money is spent chasing around FA WRs relative to the OL/DL. This just in, Hurts ain't that great of a QB and Saquon spent years in the wilderness of mediocrity but why are they both doing so well now? They have a quality OL and a quality defense that takes the pressure off of them to score 31 pts a game just to win.