Don't be surprised when pass rushers are gone

[MichaelWinicki]

That is a lot of DE's taken in the first 27 picks.

Darned right it is.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This QB class is not good but i would bet 3 or 4 will go ahead of us,if the player we covet is not there then my my first preference is to trade down if we can and pick up an extra 3rd RD pick.

Agreed.

Doesn't matter if the QB/WR class is weak... There will be teams that reach for those positions before Dallas based on need.

 

[StarMan2112]

If we take a ******* CB at 28 I may throw up. We can get those later.

 

[Szczepanik]

I think the better value is going to be at CB/S for where we are drafting. Honestly, I hope we don't get Taco or Harris. The better value for our draft position will most likely be secondary

 

[diefree666]

Agreed.

Doesn't matter if the QB/WR class is weak... There will be teams that reach for those positions before Dallas based on need.

Last years class of QB was thought to be fairly weak but compared to this years....
and yet they went 1 and 2. Reaching for QBs is the biggest weakness of the draft league wide.

 

[DFWJC]

This year's crop of QBs is not at all ready.
The more taken <28 the better!

Teams looking for QBs really should grab one in the epic class coming up in 2018.
I even heard one scout today online say that the best QB this year would be 6th or 7th next year.
Then again, folks thinking we'll get some epic trade up for a QB at 28 (a trade way higher than true value) are probably off base.

 

[visionary]

I'm not so sure. Maybe you're right though.

I'm not sure they'll like the DE's that will be there nearly as much as the DB's. If they don't have it very close, they'll go with the DB.

Probably they will
I would go DL because there will still be very good secondary players in RDs 2-3 but not DEs

 

[Alexander]

Agreed.

Doesn't matter if the QB/WR class is weak... There will be teams that reach for those positions before Dallas based on need.

Three OL will also go. Lamp, Robinson and Bolles at least. Couple that with three QBs, a couple of runner and receivers, both the freak tight ends plus the DBs, there could be a decent group to choose from. Not too concerned about it, just have to pick the best value.

 

[gimmesix]

To be fair many of the DE's the team brought in the team won't see them as viable picks at 28.

They are doing their due diligence in case they move back from 28 to say, 39 or on case the player is available at their second or third round pick.

So they might view watt or basham as second rounders and would not take either one of them over Awuzie or King (for example) at 28.

Oh, I know that not all of them were first-round values. The team clearly showed, though, that DE is at the top of its list with CB a close second. That doesn't mean the first-round pick will be a DE, because the value might not be there, but I think it's a safe bet that if a DE is close in value to players at other positions, Dallas is going to take the DE.

 

[gimmesix]

Agreed. I think that's the only reason why we have a shot at Watt. Ten pounds heavier and I think he's a top 15 pick.

I think his injury history also will give teams hesitation, but what do I know? It won't necessarily surprise me to see Watt and Bowser go ahead of some of the DEs expected to be taken before them.

 

[gimmesix]

I think the differentiation is all about mental makeup. There are several that appear to have sufficient athletic ability, but none of them really stand out way above the others, IMO.

That is the hardest things for scouts to judge and why the draft is so difficult to judge. There are plenty of examples like Dak where the player's mental makeup has made them a better pro than anyone could have anticipated.

Some of these DEs that go in the first round this year won't make it because they lack the mental makeup. Hopefully, if we take a DE in the first round, we'll find one of the ones who do.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I think his injury history also will give teams hesitation, but what do I know? It won't necessarily surprise me to see Watt and Bowser go ahead of some of the DEs expected to be taken before them.

GOOD, maybe they'll be gone by the Cowboys pick ... IF Bennett, McDowell and Harris are gone you wonder if Wilson and Basham enter the mix before a 2nd tier DB.

 

[Stash]

I think his injury history also will give teams hesitation, but what do I know? It won't necessarily surprise me to see Watt and Bowser go ahead of some of the DEs expected to be taken before them.

It is a factor to be sure, but he obviously recovered enough to put up 11 sacks in 2016, his first year starting at the position.

 

[AzorAhai]

Oh, I know that not all of them were first-round values. The team clearly showed, though, that DE is at the top of its list with CB a close second. That doesn't mean the first-round pick will be a DE, because the value might not be there, but I think it's a safe bet that if a DE is close in value to players at other positions, Dallas is going to take the DE.

It's the end of the 1st Rd. The tiers at that point are much more likely to be larger groupings by then anyways. If there's a CB left from the RD 1 stack with no DEs, they probably go CB. If all their CBs and DEs are in the 2nd Rd stack, they are going DE over CB.

 

[speedkilz88]

It's open to whatever interpretation you want but to me this looks like it did before the team drafted Byron Jones. I think they had their minds made up to go DB then and I think they have their minds made up to go CB now. I do think they learned to be better about doing their due diligence after the Claiborne incident and I'm of a mind that's why they are talking to so many DEs. Also, these DEs are all over the place with ratings and a lot may make it into a position to be 2nd round picks.

If Bud Dupree had not been taken he would have been the pick over Byron.

 

[chicago JK]

Here are Bob's Sturms final rankings in the DMN.

Derek Barnett- 9th overall
Takk Mckinley- 18th overall
Malik McDowell- 21st overall
TJ Watt- 22nd overall
Taco Charlton- 24th overall
Tyus Bowser- 25th overall
Tim Williams- 26th overall-
Charles Harris- 31st overall
Carl Lawson- 32nd overall
Derek Rivers- 37th overall
Tarrel Basham- 43rd overall

 

[gimmesix]

It is a factor to be sure, but he obviously recovered enough to put up 11 sacks in 2016, his first year starting at the position.

Which is also the reason he may go earlier. That kind of production in his only year as a starter makes you want to take a real close look at a player.

 

[gimmesix]

Here are Bob's Sturms final rankings in the DMN.

Derek Barnett- 9th overall
Takk Mckinley- 18th overall
Malik McDowell- 21st overall
TJ Watt- 22nd overall
Taco Charlton- 24th overall
Tyus Bowser- 25th overall
Tim Williams- 26th overall-
Charles Harris- 31st overall
Carl Lawson- 32nd overall
Derek Rivers- 37th overall
Tarrel Basham- 43rd overall

You know, I've been stuck on my guys Watt and Bowser (and Barnett, but we don't have a realistic shot at him), but I'm going to back off of that and just hope that Dallas takes a DE from this group and that the team's scouts have identified the right one for our pick. I think I can do a pretty good job eyeballing which ends I believe will succeed, but that doesn't mean I'm right.

I'm just excited there appears to be a group of DEs worth taking that should be around when we select. I'm not going to bemoan whether its McKinley, McDowell, Watt, Charlton, Bowser, etc. I'll save that until we see how it turns out.

 

[gimmesix]

It's the end of the 1st Rd. The tiers at that point are much more likely to be larger groupings by then anyways. If there's a CB left from the RD 1 stack with no DEs, they probably go CB. If all their CBs and DEs are in the 2nd Rd stack, they are going DE over CB.

I agree. We often want to look at it by the numbers; 27 is better than 28, etc. But the reality is that there will be a group of players available when we draft who are all lumped together as far as value goes. Of course, there also will probably be some player with a higher value or tier group who has fallen.

 

[Plankton]

The team has enough spots on the roster where adding talented players isn't going to hurt. Find the best player who fits what you do and take them. Doesn't have to be an edge guy at 28.