Don't see how Jack fits now

[Cowboy06]

now that we resigned McClain and Wilber. Jack does not play slb. And McClain starts at least 2 downs.

Can't trust McClain. He isn't a smart player for the long term. I do like the Wilber signing though. I would prefer 3 down players...We need more players that don't have to come off the field. Makes it harder for teams that like to go no huddle catching us flat footed

 

[fortdick]

Exactly. They are not valued highly in a 43 scheme. So why take one at 4 overall?

Defense is not limited to pass rush

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Defense is not limited to pass rush

We've proven that for the last decade

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Exactly. They are not valued highly in a 43 scheme. So why take one at 4 overall?

Briggs and Urlacher were the heart and soul of Marinelli's defense in Chicago. His Will from TB is in the HoF. This isn't Jimmy Johnson's version of the 4-3.

 

[mattjames2010]

There are quite a few reasons Jack could be taken at 4; his coverage ability at from the LB position alone is enticing.

McClain isn't going to change our plans if we had Jack as BPA. That same as a one year deal with Claiborne won't completely eliminate us looking at cornerbacks.

 

[mattjames2010]

Stuff like this really intrigues me. Not often do you see a LB come out of college with his coverage skills. He has the ability to help take TE/WRs out of games for us. I think he has the skills to work at any LB position the more I watch of him.

I want BPA at 4 and I think it's going to be tough to overlook him and I think it's someone Marinelli will love.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I see the DE, LB and even secondary positions all being similar (DE and LB more so). We have question marks everywhere but we also have some young talent that we'd want to evaluate before making a long-term move in the draft.

For example, Sean Lee is easily our best defensive player but he's getting old and he's had a history of injuries. A duo of Lee and McClain can be very talented (like we've been saying for years) if they remain healthy and inspired, respectively. But we also have young guys who have flashed potential in Hitchens and Wilson. We can sit back a year and see how Lee and McClain do and hope that Hitchens and Wilson will be able to take over eventually, or we can go out and get Jack now.

Similarly, (if we resign Hardy) we'll have a solid pair of DEs in Hardy and Lawrence. It'll also give us a year to see what we have in Gregory. So we can sit back a year and see how Hardy and Lawrence do and hope Gregory will be able to take over eventually, or we can go out and get Bosa or Spence now. And if we don't get Hardy, we'd be forced to draft Bosa or Spence and would basically be giving up on Gregory. He'd be buried in the depth chart until his rookie contract expires.

The only rookie at #4 who would definitely have a place on the field would be Ramsey. He could start at CB or S without stepping on anyone's toes. That's not an endorsement from me for Ramsey. I don't want a DB at #4. But I just think we're in a weird situation, especially at DE and somewhat LB, when it comes to young guys on the roster who haven't been given a chance to shine yet.

 

[mattjames2010]

I see the DE, LB and even secondary positions all being similar (DE and LB more so). We have question marks everywhere but we also have some young talent that we'd want to evaluate before making a long-term move in the draft.

For example, Sean Lee is easily our best defensive player but he's getting old and he's had a history of injuries. A duo of Lee and McClain can be very talented (like we've been saying for years) if they remain healthy and inspired, respectively. But we also have young guys who have flashed potential in Hitchens and Wilson. We can sit back a year and see how Lee and McClain do and hope that Hitchens and Wilson will be able to take over eventually, or we can go out and get Jack now.

Similarly, (if we resign Hardy) we'll have a solid pair of DEs in Hardy and Lawrence. It'll also give us a year to see what we have in Gregory. So we can sit back a year and see how Hardy and Lawrence do and hope Gregory will be able to take over eventually, or we can go out and get Bosa or Spence now. And if we don't get Hardy, we'd be forced to draft Bosa or Spence and would basically be giving up on Gregory. He'd be buried in the depth chart until his rookie contract expires.

The only rookie at #4 who would definitely have a place on the field would be Ramsey. He could start at CB or S without stepping on anyone's toes. That's not an endorsement from me for Ramsey. I don't want a DB at #4. But I just think we're in a weird situation, especially at DE and somewhat LB, when it comes to young guys on the roster who haven't been given a chance to shine yet.

Wilson hasn't shown a thing, he should not keep you from taking a stud prospect in the top 5. Hitchens is a great rotational guy behind both Lee and McClain and can come in and play well if one is injured. But again, this shouldn't keep you from taking a LB in the top 5. McClain isn't a long term answer.

As for DE, Gregory was a late second round pick who can't stay on the field whether it's injuries or off the field issues. Shouldn't keep you from taking a DE at the top, at this point, all I hope for is Gregory develops into a nice third down pass rusher.

LB, DE, and CB/S should all be in play at 4.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Wilson hasn't shown a thing, he should not keep you from taking a stud prospect in the top 5. Hitchens is a great rotational guy behind both Lee and McClain and can come in and play well if one is injured. But again, this shouldn't keep you from taking a LB in the top 5. McClain isn't a long term answer.

As for DE, Gregory was a late second round pick who can't stay on the field whether it's injuries or off the field issues. Shouldn't keep you from taking a DE at the top, at this point, all I hope for is Gregory develops into a nice third down pass rusher.

LB, DE, and CB/S should all be in play at 4.

I don't think we shouldn't take those spots. I'm just saying if we did draft DE or LB at #4, there's a chance they'd have to take a back seat or someone with lots of potential has to take a back seat to them. Not a bad problem to have. In fact, I want us to address DE and DB before the draft so that we can draft the best player available in each spot we pick.

 

[TheFinisher]

I don't think we shouldn't take those spots. I'm just saying if we did draft DE or LB at #4, there's a chance they'd have to take a back seat or someone with lots of potential has to take a back seat to them. Not a bad problem to have. In fact, I want us to address DE and DB before the draft so that we can draft the best player available in each spot we pick.

Jack wouldn't take a backseat to McClain. Jack walks in day 1 as your nickel LB and is one of your 3 LBs on base defense.

He'd never come off the field.

 

[egn22]

Exactly. They are not valued highly in a 43 scheme. So why take one at 4 overall?

I don't believe we will. I like Jack too but I agree with you. Just ain't gonna happen at 4. Trade back, sure.

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't believe we will. I like Jack too but I agree with you. Just ain't gonna happen at 4. Trade back, sure.

I disagree.

The more I continue to rewatch film on Jack, I think people need to start warming up to the idea that Jack will be our 4th pick. Ramsey and Bosa are good prospects and would be good picks, but neither to me have traits you rarely see in prospects. Jack is a rare LB, he's so versatile that there are multiple things you can do with him in packages even with McClain.

 

[JDSTAR]

I disagree.

The more I continue to rewatch film on Jack, I think people need to start warming up to the idea that Jack will be our 4th pick. Ramsey and Bosa are good prospects and would be good picks, but neither to me have traits you rarely see in prospects. Jack is a rare LB, he's so versatile that there are multiple things you can do with him in packages even with McClain.

I agree to all of this.

 

[TheFinisher]

I don't believe we will. I like Jack too but I agree with you. Just ain't gonna happen at 4. Trade back, sure.

Except that Marinelli highly values LBs so much that he was ready to draft Shazier at 16 before Pittsburgh snagged him. He built top defenses in TB and CHI centered around HOF caliber LBs drafted top 10.

Myles Jack is Marinellis dream LB, you better believe he'll be interested.

 

[BAT]

So going by this logic, then OP cannot see drafting Joey Bosa (Demarcus Lawrence), Jalen Ramsey (Byron Jones, JJ Wilcox, Barry Church, Jeff Heath), Laremy Tunsil (Tyron Smith, Doug Free, Chaz Gree) or even Wentz (Tony Romo, Kellen Moore, Matt Moore).

Taking the best player improves the team, regardless of position. And Jack absolutely can play the SAM spot. Jack would be an upgrade over McClain and Hitchens.

 

[Gaede]

Stats are important in college too. Jack's do not justify 4th overall

 

[mattjames2010]

Stats are important in college too. Jack's do not justify 4th overall

And what are you judging him on? Tackles?

He covered the slot a lot, he wasn't going to have your typical LB stats. How about watching film on him to understand the context of his stats?

 

[Gaede]

And what are you judging him on? Tackles?

He covered the slot a lot, he wasn't going to have your typical LB stats. How about watching film on him to understand the context of his stats?

Plays. Where are the plays?

 

[btcutter]

Stuff like this really intrigues me. Not often do you see a LB come out of college with his coverage skills. He has the ability to help take TE/WRs out of games for us. I think he has the skills to work at any LB position the more I watch of him.

I want BPA at 4 and I think it's going to be tough to overlook him and I think it's someone Marinelli will love.

Imagine Jack gets an INT or pick up a fumble then his RB instinct kicks in!!! He's running again bunch of offensive players. It's like Ed Reed returning an INT. Awesome!

 

[btcutter]

So going by this logic, then OP cannot see drafting Joey Bosa (Demarcus Lawrence), Jalen Ramsey (Byron Jones, JJ Wilcox, Barry Church, Jeff Heath), Laremy Tunsil (Tyron Smith, Doug Free, Chaz Gree) or even Wentz (Tony Romo, Kellen Moore, Matt Moore).

Taking the best player improves the team, regardless of position. And Jack absolutely can play the SAM spot. Jack would be an upgrade over McClain and Hitchens.

yes.

We can line up as 4-4-3 D. Pretty hard to run on and still be able to cover with Jack playing LB/S/CB and Jones playing CB/S. A lot of different looks to give an offense.