Don't see how Jack fits now

[mattjames2010]

Plays. Where are the plays?

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[Gaede]

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I have. I want to see a measurable impact. Stats, especially over years of college play, prove this impact.

I think Jack is a good player, and am not opposed at 4, but I am worried he is more potential than production

 

[JDSTAR]

I have. I want to see a measurable impact. Stats, especially over years of college play, prove this impact.

I think Jack is a good player, and am not opposed at 4, but I am worried he is more potential than production

Under this way of judging college players, you denote Jalen Ramsey for no INTs last season and Bosa who only had 5 sacks

 

[Gaede]

Under this way of judging college players, you denote Jalen Ramsey for no INTs last season and Bosa who only had 5 sacks

I do, yes.

 

[mattjames2010]

J.J. Watt - 11.5 sacks total in college.

BUT WHERE'S THE PRODUCTION!

 

[Gaede]

J.J. Watt - 11.5 sacks total in college.

BUT WHERE'S THE PRODUCTION!

Watt switched schools and positions in college, not just from DT to DE but from offense to defense. Even then, he was a projection, not a sure thing, drafted what, 11 overall? Don't even try to compare the two. I was one of Watt's biggest advocates during the draft and the two are totally different prospects.

Apples to oranges.

 

[JDSTAR]

I do, yes.

I'm curious to know your selection at 4, if we were to stay their? Not to poo poo on your pick; just to see from a perspective that isn't mine.

 

[mattjames2010]

Watt switched schools and positions in college, not just from DT to DE but from offense to defense. Even then, he was a projection, not a sure thing, drafted what, 11 overall? Don't even try to compare the two. I was one of Watt's biggest advocates during the draft and the two are totally different prospects.

Apples to oranges.

Haha, I love this. NOW we can look deeper into raw statistics. When it comes to Jack? Nah, why is his stats not like other LBs?

I provided you a source, watch the film. I don't buy that you watched enough of his film. If you're still questioning why the "stats aren't there", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, you were watching closely or just don't have much of a scout eye.

 

[BAT]

Plays. Where are the plays?

You mean when Jack was voted offensive AND defensive player of the year for PAC 12? I mean how does he do that without "plays", right?

 

[Gaede]

I'm curious to know your selection at 4, if we were to stay their? Not to poo poo on your pick; just to see from a perspective that isn't mine.

If it's not a QB (Goff or Wentz), then it should be the next best playmaker. To me, that's Zeke. To a lesser extent, Treadwell

What this team needs, most of all, is players that are catalysts. Not role players, versatile players, or projections. Not players who fit into our current scheme or personal preferences of the current coaching staff.

We need someone that can elevate the team on his own, regardless of the coach in charge or offensive or defensive system. We need someone that can single-handedly give this team a chance to win, week in and week out, whether Romo or Dez are injured or not.

To me, the lesson learned last year was that we rely on Romo, to a lesser extent Dez, entirely too much. We put all our eggs in one basket. It is incredibly foolish to repeat that mistake and just hope that they won't get injured again. If they do, should we just give up on the season again? Might as well, since no one else scores TDs, and no one on the roster gets sacks or INTs

I just don't believe that Jack, who doesn't appear to get many picks or sacks, is that catalyst. Same goes Bosa. I don't see how a run-stopping LDE addresses the team's pass rush. And I don't see how Ramsey, a CB/S who doesn't get picks, addresses out inability to turn the ball over.

 

[Gaede]

You mean when Jack was voted offensive AND defensive player of the year for PAC 12? I mean how does he do that without "plays", right?

The two biggest weaknesses of last years defense were a)pass rush and b) turnovers.

How, exactly, does drafting a LB who doesn't provide either of those improve our defense?

 

[JDSTAR]

If it's not a QB (Goff or Wentz), then it should be the next best playmaker. To me, that's Zeke. To a lesser extent, Treadwell

What this team needs, most of all, is players that are catalysts. Not role players, versatile players, or projections. Not players who fit into our current scheme or personal preferences of the current coaching staff.

We need someone that can elevate the team on his own, regardless of the coach in charge or offensive or defensive system. We need someone that can single-handedly give this team a chance to win, week in and week out, whether Romo or Dez are injured or not.

To me, the lesson learned last year was that we rely on Romo, to a lesser extent Dez, entirely too much. We put all our eggs in one basket. It is incredibly foolish to repeat that mistake and just hope that they won't get injured again. If they do, should we just give up on the season again? Might as well, since no one else scores TDs, and no one on the roster gets sacks or INTs

I just don't believe that Jack, who doesn't appear to get many picks or sacks, is that catalyst. Same goes Bosa. I don't see how a run-stopping LDE addresses the team's pass rush. And I don't see how Ramsey, a CB/S who doesn't get picks, addresses out inability to turn the ball over.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider two backup QBs or a 2nd reciever as catalysts for the team. Zeke I get, but how big is the drop off from the other backs in this draft?

 

[Gaede]

Haha, I love this. NOW we can look deeper into raw statistics. When it comes to Jack? Nah, why is his stats not like other LBs?

I provided you a source, watch the film. I don't buy that you watched enough of his film. If you're still questioning why the "stats aren't there", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, you were watching closely or just don't have much of a scout eye.

For sure you can, when it comes to 11th overall.

We're talking top 5.

 

[mattjames2010]

The two biggest weaknesses of last years defense were a)pass rush and b) turnovers.

How, exactly, does drafting a LB who doesn't provide either of those improve our defense?

This strategy is poor. Prospects aren't going to pop out of nowhere in the coming months.

You have Bosa and Ramsey that are projected top 5. If the Cowboys have them ranked higher than Jack, draft them. If not? I'm not a fan of passing on your top player because of "need". LB is still something to be addressed, we have two starting LBs that are injury prone and one has off the field issues. Want to know what else will help the pass rush? A LB that can keep underneath routes or take the middle of the field away from TEs and slot receivers. It's not like QBs that faced us had all day in the pocket every week, they got the ball out of their hands quickly.

 

[Gaede]

I'm sorry, but I don't consider two backup QBs or a 2nd reciever as catalysts for the team. Zeke I get, but how big is the drop off from the other backs in this draft?

Those backup QBs develop into the ultimate catalyst of your team--face of your franchise, guy that touches the ball literally every single snap. There is no bigger catalyst on the football team than the QB.

Treadwell is a catalyst because he scores TDs. Something we failed at, miserably, last year. That being said, I'd trade down to get him

 

[JDSTAR]

Those backup QBs develop into the ultimate catalyst of your team--face of your franchise, guy that touches the ball literally every single snap. There is no bigger catalyst on the football team than the QB.

Treadwell is a catalyst because he scores TDs. Something we failed at, miserably, last year. That being said, I'd trade down to get him

I've gotta ask, how many top 5 pick QBs were not penciled in as the day 1 starter? I'm sure there are, I just can't think of any.

 

[Gaede]

This strategy is poor. Prospects aren't going to pop out of nowhere in the coming months.

You have Bosa and Ramsey that are projected top 5. If the Cowboys have them ranked higher than Jack, draft them. If not? I'm not a fan of passing on your top player because of "need". LB is still something to be addressed, we have two starting LBs that are injury prone and one has off the field issues. Want to know what else will help the pass rush? A LB that can keep underneath routes or take the middle of the field away from TEs and slot receivers. It's not like QBs that faced us had all day in the pocket every week, they got the ball out of their hands quickly.

As I said, I'm not against Jack at 4, however, I'd prefer someone who can provide something I don't have and can't get a similar service from later in the draft.

To me, that's Zeke. He'll give you TDs, help you keep the opponents off the field, open things up for the best players on the team (Dez, Romo, Witten), and protect the most important player on the team. The only winning formula that we've seen under Garrett has been to run the ball, eat the clock, and beat the opponents up.

I just don't see Jack having that big of an impact, next season and beyond, considering he hasn't produced at the college level what we need him to do in the pros. And I certainly wouldn't consider him insurance for Lee or McClain, considering he's ending his last season of college football the same way that Lee did.

 

[Gaede]

I've gotta ask, how many top 5 pick QBs were not penciled in as the day 1 starter? I'm sure there are, I just can't think of any.

That's a good point. It's kind of a risky thing to do. Though I think the reward outweighs the risk

 

[BAT]

Those backup QBs develop into the ultimate catalyst of your team--face of your franchise, guy that touches the ball literally every single snap. There is no bigger catalyst on the football team than the QB.

Treadwell is a catalyst because he scores TDs. Something we failed at, miserably, last year. That being said, I'd trade down to get him

Or those backup QBs don't amount to anything. In 3 years, that rook QB could be a bust. Or boom with another team after sitting behind Romo. And by the by, I can play the catalyst game too. Jack can also score TDs, if used as RB in short yardage. And Jack is a catalyst on D, because he prevents TDs.

Jack improves the LB position and the overall D by winning his matchups. Jack is also very physical in run support and also has good hands for INT. He hasn't been asked to blitz (but neither was Lee) but that doesn't mean he can't do it. He's certainly explosive & physical enough.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I have. I want to see a measurable impact. Stats, especially over years of college play, prove this impact.

I think Jack is a good player, and am not opposed at 4, but I am worried he is more potential than production

Not true, compared with top NFL linebackers Jack had similar college production in terms of Interceptions, fumble recoveries and forced fumbles with one year less of playing, he had 2 years and 3 games.

He will never have the same sack and tackle totals because he was primarily used in coverage and was not always playing at the line of scrimmage, teams avoided him the best they could in the passing game.

However, his college production mirrors that of other top NFL linebackers in symmetrically comparative categories and his versatitlity and athleticism is what the Bruins coaches took advantage of including playing on offense.

This could be viewed as a disservice to Jack and his draft stock by using him all over the field but to others it simply increases his value.

His pro day is tomorrow and he plans to be full go!