Dont see the upgrade for Philly

[RonSpringsdaman20]

BTW, as a Dallas fan I make no bones about being anti-eagles.
The opposite is something I oculdn;t even fathom.

All that said I don't think my take is pure bias in this case.
I begrudgingly accepted Shady as being really friggin good.

And I know as a Dallas fan what I would hate is for Philly to end up with a few draft targets we like.
Them having Fletcher Cox hurts way worse than them signing Bradford or even Murray.
All those years of an affordable Cox in his prime is painful.
So I am glad they haven;t stacked draft picks int he top couple rounds and it would not break my heart if they traded up for Mariotta.

agreed.

 

[KJJ]

It depends what the Cowboys do. They have to show that they have a suitable replacement for Murray. If they do then it's a wash.

The Cowboys need LB help and Philly just improved their defense by swapping McCoy for a potentially great young LB in Alonso. If they add Murray he would be the best option that could have ever imagined in replacing McCoy. They'll come away with the top rusher from 2014 and a potentially great young LB for McCoy. Taking Murray would allow them to use the Cowboys number one weapon in 2014 against them. With many here disrespecting Murray giving the Cowboys OL most of the credit for his success he'll be fired up facing us twice in 2015. None of us ever saw a chance in hell Murray going to Philly because the McCoy trade came out of nowhere but I knew the day that trade went down it could potentially result in a nightmare scenario with them stealing Murray away from us. The only way the Cowboys could add a suitable replacement for Murray is signing Peterson and he wants a lot of money.

For the Cowboys to keep their running game as potent as we saw last season they need a back who can carry a brunt of the load and not only be productive but pick up the tough yards to keep the chains moving and the defense off the field. The last thing you want is to have a rival you've battled for the NFC East with the past 2 seasons add your most potent weapon to their arsenal. That would be a HUGE blow to the Cowboys. I know some here will blow it off like it's no big deal if it happens but they'll be kidding themselves because that will be a very significant move for Philly to add our MVP from 2014 and it could lead to a shift in power. It was very close last season between the 2 teams with the Cowboys and Philly splitting games and Philly was having to play with their backup QB in both games and for half the season.

 

[garyv]

THe problem with Murray in their offense is this. Go back and watch film of the Cowboys when Murray gets the ball deep in the backfield which
is constantly what happens in the Chip Kelly Offense hes a slow decision maker and it takes him a few steps to get his initial burst. In our offense
he gets the ball much quicker so he bangs for 3 or 4 yards. Now when he gets the ball it gives the Defensive Lineman more time to penetrate so
I see Murray getting hit behind the line of scrimmage much more than before. Hes not like Shady McCoy who can than bounce outside. If Murray
bounces outside he gets caught. I personally think he better fits a smashmouth offense instead of a spread offense.

 

[cowboyblue22]

I think the eagles are a better team with Bradford and murry they won 10 games last year so there is not much different there hope every one has so much patience when boys are sitting home next jan this was not a good move to lose murry and u cant spin it any other way

 

[Doomsday]

I dont see how losing Maclin and McCoy makes you better even when you add Bradford and Murray.

 

[davey999]

Murray, Bradford, Maxwell, Thurmond, Alonso > McCoy, Foles, and Maclin

 

[canters]

It all comes down to Bradford staying healthy--he is fragile. He is goes down, they might only win 6 games just like the rest of the NFC east if they lose the QB.

Also they lost another starting DB, Nate Allen.

 

[Nightman]

Murray, Bradford, Maxwell, Thurmond, Alonso > McCoy, Foles, and Maclin

+ TCole, Hermanns and Cary Williams, probably Demeco Ryans

 

[canters]

+ TCole, Hermanns and Cary Williams, probably Demeco Ryans

The Eagles are trying to rebuild and stay competitive at the same time---we did it and went 8-8 for 3 years.
I am not giving them anything in terms of saying they have improved.

IF we get better on DEFENSE, we will miss Murray less.

 

[jterrell]

The Eagles have a higher upside with this crew.
But they took a ton of injury risks.
This is the kind of moves you'd make if you were shooting for it all in one final season as head coach which I suspect is where Chips's head is at.
Nothing else makes any real sense.

Part of paying Murray 21m guaranteed is Chip likely doesn't have to be around for the decline.

Alonso isn't even fully healthy yet.
Chip has been adding ex-Oregon guys in record numbers but grabbing ones who aren't healthy seems strange indeed.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

If they replace McCoy with Murray that might make for an upgrade because they'll be replacing McCoy with a comparable back and have a potentially great young LB in Alonso if he can return to the form he showed as a rookie in Buffalo prior to his injury. Plus taking Murray away from the Cowboys and adding his production to their arsenal while taking a bite out of our running game could lead to a switch in power in the NFC East. They'll be taking away a player that the Cowboys rode past Philly to the playoffs.

It's one thing for Philly to replace McCoy with a comparable back but it's another thing having them accomplish that while taking a big bite out of the Cowboys offense. That's the dreaded double whammy. The Foles for Bradford trade makes no sense can't see anything good coming from that with Bradford's injury history and less than stellar production.

Murray didn't do much in either Philly game, both games were some of his worst all season

 

[Tobal]

I think Murray can be good in their offense. I think you miss Maclin though. I've never thought Bradford was good in pressure situations. At OU he was good, but guys were wide open. I don't think he handles the tighter windows of the NFL as well.

Murray won't bust 60 yrds runs, but he will take it 20 to 30 several times a game.

 

[Nightman]

It all comes down to Bradford staying healthy--he is fragile. He is goes down, they might only win 6 games just like the rest of the NFC east if they lose the QB.

Also they lost another starting DB, Nate Allen.

I might be crazy, but I don't see what Foles did wrong in Philly. I thought they were at their best with him running the show. I knew he wouldn't repeat his performance from his first year, but no one could.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

given Murray's injury history, this could become flaming pitchfork bad for Chip real fast.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What Philly has done is gotten rid of McCoy and replaced him with a injury prone Murray.

They've added an injury prone Bradford.

They're attempting to trade their only really high quality O-Lineman.

They have zero receiving threats to scare a D with.

So, basically, they do not scare anyone at this point.

 

[Hardline]

The Cowboys got all of the yards from Murray
The eagles are paying for the carries.

 

[Dale]

All of last season, I felt -- and I think even posted it here -- that Murray was outperforming McCoy, but I never viewed Murray as the better or more sensational player. It's interesting that we now sit with the Eagles making that very swap.

I thought Murray fit to a tee what we did, and I thought McCoy fit Kelly's misdirection offense perfectly. I'm curious how Murray will fit in there. He's slower to the hole, not a guy you move all over the field, and not the same kind of threat to the outside. If Philadelphia was going to try to replicate what we did offensively last season, well, they got their man. But I envision Kelly being pretty well set with the kind of system he runs. Curious to see how it works out.

 

[jterrell]

I think Murray can be good in their offense. I think you miss Maclin though. I've never thought Bradford was good in pressure situations. At OU he was good, but guys were wide open. I don't think he handles the tighter windows of the NFL as well.

Murray won't bust 60 yrds runs, but he will take it 20 to 30 several times a game.

I don't buy that,
I could see a lot of 10+ yard carries but beyond that you are talking about downfield blocking and I think that is a special area for Dallas.
The Dallas OL is properly celebrated but the WR crops also blocks downfield at an insane clip.
Dez was 30 yards down field blocking for Murray regularly.

 

[Dale]

The Cowboys got all of the yards from Murray
The eagles are paying for the carries.

It's interesting Philly is so willing to spend that much money on a running back coming off such a workhorse season when history is unkind to such running backs. No matter who you're a fan of, it's easy to envision a scenario where the contract goes down as a colossal failure for Philadelphia.

He won't be running behind this line, behind this quarterback or have the threat outside like he had in Dez. He's a very good player, but it's going to be a completely different ballgame over there.

 

[jterrell]

All of last season, I felt -- and I think even posted it here -- that Murray was outperforming McCoy, but I never viewed Murray as the better or more sensational player. It's interesting that we now sit with the Eagles making that very swap.

I thought Murray fit to a tee what we did, and I thought McCoy fit Kelly's misdirection offense perfectly. I'm curious how Murray will fit in there. He's slower to the hole, not a guy you move all over the field, and not the same kind of threat to the outside. If Philadelphia was going to try to replicate what we did offensively last season, well, they got their man. But I envision Kelly being pretty well set with the kind of system he runs. Curious to see how it works out.

first, good to see you around!

but yea chip used mostly smallish speed backs in college.
he has some success with lagarrette blount too but a lot of the guys were scat back types.