Dorian Green-Beckham

[jnday]

there is no doubt that the guy has all the talent in the world, but his off-field stupidity raises major concerns. At what point , if any, would you guys consider drafting him if he took a big drop in the draft. Considering his talent, I would use a 4th or maybe even a third and take the gamble. I would guess that he is off the Cowboys board, but If I was them, I would take to look at his off-field issues.

 

[DFWJC]

Can't imagine him going in the 4th, but yes, by then he could flop and the damage wouldn't be that great.
After we spent our public good-will quota on Hardy, I don't see us using any early picks on character issue guys. By the 4th, it's not such a big deal.
Have to assume this guy is gone by the late 2nd though...unless something really crazy happens in the next 2 weeks.

 

[cds99]

He won't make it out of the 2nd

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

there is no doubt that the guy has all the talent in the world, but his off-field stupidity raises major concerns. At what point , if any, would you guys consider drafting him if he took a big drop in the draft. Considering his talent, I would use a 4th or maybe even a third and take the gamble. I would guess that he is off the Cowboys board, but If I was them, I would take to look at his off-field issues.

Cowboys are probably a team who could afford to take a player like DGB, and I'm not saying they will or should, but they would be a team who could probably do it. They have a good core of WRs so I think that they could bring in a kid like this and wait for him to develop and by that, what I really mean is grow a brain. The problem with taking him is that you don't really address the need for ST. He has some holes in his game as well. Not a lot of tape on him so you can only go by what you have but he does not appear to be a guy who is going to be a physical receiver. He likes to run go routes but he doesn't like to go over the middle. He is a great deep threat but he doesn't really run good routes. He is sloppy in his route running and he does not lay out or extend for balls. He would have to improve in these areas to be great. Does he have the work ethic? I'm thinking no. If you draft him, I think you do it with the intent that he will probably only ever be a deep threat guy. If you are good with that, then maybe you take a chance. I probably wouldn't but I could see us doing it if he slid.

 

[dallasdave]

Dorian Green-Beckham is too good to pass up if still there in the 2nd round when Dallas picks, Cowboys would take him if he were there in the 2nd.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't think he lasts past the second round.

What we have to wonder is if he is one of those players that they take off their board and put in the box.

 

[reddyuta]

My first reaction on watching Beckham at Missouri was that he was going to be a superstar,he does seem to have multiple problems though. IMO if he develops well and doesn't run into more trouble then he is the best WR in this class but he is not as polished as Cooper or even White yet.


Ps- if has reformed and everything checks out then I will take at 27 without hesitation.

 

[xwalker]

there is no doubt that the guy has all the talent in the world, but his off-field stupidity raises major concerns. At what point , if any, would you guys consider drafting him if he took a big drop in the draft. Considering his talent, I would use a 4th or maybe even a third and take the gamble. I would guess that he is off the Cowboys board, but If I was them, I would take to look at his off-field issues.

McShay and one of the CBS guys have him as a mid 1st in their latest mock. He won't make it past mid 2nd at the latest.

He is 6-5, 237 and ran a 4.49 forty.

 

[Kaiser]

Obviously you may not even have him on your board depending on what the coaches and scouts say, but if you do he has the same level of talent that Dez has. That is a top five pick if he doesn't have the baggage, he may well slip into the 2nd but I doubt he slips all the way to 60.

Dez was considered the same type of risk, he was top five pick and the Cowboys traded up (their 3rd for a 4th) to get him late in the first round. Dez wasn't considered a sure thing to make it and is one of the dominant WRs in the game right now, if the coaches think they can do the same thing the combination of DEZ and Dorian Green-Beckman would be dominant. Both are guys that will catch or knock down every ball thrown to them, even if they are covered well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think he lasts past the second round.

What we have to wonder is if he is one of those players that they take off their board and put in the box.

I agree. He's probably a guy who goes in the 2nd round. The question you have to ask yourself is, how valuable is the 2nd round pick to the Cowboys? I think the chances are probably better that he doesn't last in the NFL, rather then the odds that he figures it out. If you make that pick, then you really have to be willing to gamble against the odds that it pans out IMO.

 

[Teague31]

Pass. Dude is a train wreck. His entire family lives in a 20 mile radius of me. Most are in prison. His uncle is doing 180 years for rape. He may not end up that bad but we should stay far far away

 

[xwalker]

Obviously you may not even have him on your board depending on what the coaches and scouts say, but if you do he has the same level of talent that Dez has. That is a top five pick if he doesn't have the baggage, he may well slip into the 2nd but I doubt he slips all the way to 60.

Dez was considered the same type of risk, he was top five pick and the Cowboys traded up (their 3rd for a 4th) to get him late in the first round. Dez wasn't considered a sure thing to make it and is one of the dominant WRs in the game right now, if the coaches think they can do the same thing the combination of DEZ and Dorian Green-Beckman would be dominant. Both are guys that will catch or knock down every ball thrown to them, even if they are covered well.

I wonder about the process of getting mental makeup evaluations on players that didn't come in for a visit. I know the Cowboys hired an outside company to assist in these evals and I'm under the impression that the company does an eval of all draft prospects. I'm certain that the Cowboys would not draft a player like DGB without a complete mental makeup evaluation.

 

[jnday]

Pass. Dude is a train wreck. His entire family lives in a 20 mile radius of me. Most are in prison. His uncle is doing 180 years for rape. He may not end up that bad but we should stay far far away

I am not going to judge him on his family, but he has to account for his own stupidity over the last few years. I think his potential is unlimited and a good coach can change any flaws in his game if Green-Beckham wants to change his play on the field and his behavior off the field. Dallas has too many holes to gamble a 2nd round pick on him IMO, but their third rounder is late in the round and would be worth the gamble. A 4th round pick would be an easy decision.

 

[reddyuta]

They did bring in Dez for a visit though and DGB was not on the invite list,if I was to guess then he is off our board.

 

[DBOY3141]

I wonder about the process of getting mental makeup evaluations on players that didn't come in for a visit. I know the Cowboys hired an outside company to assist in these evals and I'm under the impression that the company does an eval of all draft prospects. I'm certain that the Cowboys would not draft a player like DGB without a complete mental makeup evaluation.

I have a friend who is a psych and he does evaluations at the combine every year. He mainly does it for the Dolphins but has done it for a couple of other teams as well. I was talking to him about Hernandez and he said that the evaluations are commonly spread among teams so pretty much every team has the same information, some just choose to ignore it.

He said it's a small circle of professionals who do the evals, and he gave me Hernandez and Vick as examples of everyone noted they would be trouble and were advised to not bring them into your organization.

 

[Thatkidbob]

Pass. Dude is a train wreck. His entire family lives in a 20 mile radius of me. Most are in prison. His uncle is doing 180 years for rape. He may not end up that bad but we should stay far far away

Dez was a train wreck. His mom may have been a prostitute, and was definitely a drug dealer.

Worked out OK for us, don't you think?

 

[xwalker]

I have a friend who is a psych and he does evaluations at the combine every year. He mainly does it for the Dolphins but has done it for a couple of other teams as well. I was talking to him about Hernandez and he said that the evaluations are commonly spread among teams so pretty much every team has the same information, some just choose to ignore it.

He said it's a small circle of professionals who do the evals, and he gave me Hernandez and Vick as examples of everyone noted they would be trouble and were advised to not bring them into your organization.

Good info.

If I were a GM or head scout or HC I would want to have spoken directly to the player if I was going to draft a known character issue guy. Maybe they did talk to him at the combine. I don't think all combine meetings get reported.

I would take a chance on a Dez type player with off the field questions but that has an intense on field approach and good work ethic. I don't want a MartyB type that didn't get in trouble but walked around the practice field like he hated being there and didn't seem to love football.

 

[Plankton]

As far as I am concerned, this guy is radioactive. Throwing a woman down a flight of stairs? That's Lawrence Phillips type of stuff.

 

[DBOY3141]

Good info.

If I were a GM or head scout or HC I would want to have spoken directly to the player if I was going to draft a known character issue guy. Maybe they did talk to him at the combine. I don't think all combine meetings get reported.

I would take a chance on a Dez type player with off the field questions but that has an intense on field approach and good work ethic. I don't want a MartyB type that didn't get in trouble but walked around the practice field like he hated being there and didn't seem to love football.

Agree. He said it's not an exact science but in the end it "flags" the most possible candidates to cross that line and in the end the NFL as a whole only has about 1% of their employee's get in trouble off the field. We the fans of course mainly here about the 1% and not the 99% of guys who do the right thing.

Your love of football comment is interesting. He's been doing this for going on 20 years and he said he has seen more of a trend of players not being as passionate about football. They of course like it, but most see it as a "job" and not a "career", if that makes sense. Just a different attitude vs when he started.

 

[Kaiser]

I wonder about the process of getting mental makeup evaluations on players that didn't come in for a visit. I know the Cowboys hired an outside company to assist in these evals and I'm under the impression that the company does an eval of all draft prospects. I'm certain that the Cowboys would not draft a player like DGB without a complete mental makeup evaluation.

Totally agree (and with DBOY that they can usually spot the guys that are serious trouble) but don't the Cowboys have a strong relationship with the Oklahoma coaches? I'm sure they know the Missouri coaches as well, I'm sure they would do their own evaluation before spending a high pick but the initial screening could be through friends in the coaching ranks.