Doug Free play by play

[burmafrd]

I am not expecting free to be able to stone guys like Ware- that is unreasonable to the extreme. However I would expect him to be able to handle guys one level down most of the time; Allan would be a real good test but he probably won't play much.

And for the guys that claim camp battles mean nothing - that is pretty dumb. They can be used as indicators of problems or potential. Since that is how coaches judge players most of the time it obviously means SOMETHING.

 

[SMCowboy]

No wonder I missed it. It's completely at odds with what actually happened.

How is it different? Doug Free was bull rushed so that Kitna's had hit Free on the follow threw. And nowhere in the play, that he bull rush THREW Free. Was Free pushed back, absolutely, but he DID stay on his guy the whole time.

I posted it the way I did, because that is how a coach will see it. When they go over the film, the coach will point out that he got pushed to far back. BUT, he will also point out that Free did a good job of staying with his man.

To many posters on here pretend that just because someone makes a bad play at the start, that they couldn't do ANY good in the play, but that is absolutely not true, and NOT how coaches see things.

Free could have easily gotten bull rushed over on that play, and gotten Kitna sacked or killed. But, he stayed with his man even after he was beat on the play, and gave Kitna time to throw the football.

 

[bbgun]

In what way? It says he was bull rushed into the QB causing Kitna's follow through to hit Free. That's what happened.

You could argue he was rushed, but it's a close call. When he started his throw he had space, by the time he finished Free was pushed back into him. The throw had good timing for Austin as he was wide open between the zones, it was just overthrown. A shorter throw would have hit him in stride.

I think everyone, even the OP, agrees that it was a bad play by Free, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

It wasn't an honest recitation of what happened, which puts into doubt the rest of the night's breakdown. This is a classic case of trying to turn a lemon into lemonade. There are two ways for a DE to rush a QB: go around the tackle, or push him back into the QB, and we witnessed the latter. IMO, if Kitna didn't have Free and the lineman in his face, he completes that pass rather easily. At the very least, Free's poor play meant that Kitna had to throw it a tad early and at a crummy angle.

 

[SMCowboy]

free seemed to play ok. i just did not see him dominate his guy he needed to block. he needs to do a better job of forcing his man to the outside more away from the qb. kitna almost hit his hand on the de helmet because free got pushed to far inside on one pass play. i am afraid against speed rushers he is going to be burned badly like they been saying ware and spencer have had the best of him in camp. maybe i am be to overy critical of free.

Well, Ware get the the best of just about any LT in the NFL.

I wouldn't say that Free right now, is playing to the level that we would NOT have a drop off at LT, if Adams went down, or if we replaced Adams with Free when he eventually retires. But, so far Free has played to the level of a legit NFL tackle, and a solid, though unspectacular starter.

 

[bbgun]

How is it different? Doug Free was bull rushed so that Kitna's had hit Free on the follow threw. And nowhere in the play, that he bull rush THREW Free. Was Free pushed back, absolutely, but he DID stay on his guy the whole time.

I posted it the way I did, because that is how a coach will see it. When they go over the film, the coach will point out that he got pushed to far back. BUT, he will also point out that Free did a good job of staying with his man.

To many posters on here pretend that just because someone makes a bad play at the start, that they couldn't do ANY good in the play, but that is absolutely not true, and NOT how coaches see things.

Free could have easily gotten bull rushed over on that play, and gotten Kitna sacked or killed. But, he stayed with his man even after he was beat on the play, and gave Kitna time to throw the football.

There are no silver linings on that play. To boast that Free "stayed on his man" in laughable considering that Free was sandwiched between the DE and the QB, prompting a rushed throw. Time to take the metallic blue sunglasses off.

 

[theogt]

It wasn't an honest recitation of what happened, which puts into doubt the rest of the night's breakdown. This is a classic case of trying to turn a lemon into lemonade. There are two ways for a DE to rush a QB: go around the tackle, or push him back into the QB, and we witnessed the latter. IMO, if Kitna didn't have Free and the lineman in his face, he completes that pass rather easily. At the very least, Free's poor play meant that Kitna had to throw it a tad early and at a crummy angle.

Not much to argue other than to say I disagree. Kitna threw a number of high passes that night. This wasn't unusual. His pass had zip on it, the spiral was tight, it was just high.

When I saw the pictures you posted, I immediately thought of that play -- the description was pretty much dead on. You just missed it, I guess, when reading through. No big deal.

 

[bbgun]

Not much to argue other than to say I disagree. Kitna threw a number of high passes that night. This wasn't unusual. His pass had zip on it, the spiral was tight, it was just high.

Of course it was high. He had to throw over two behemoths who were in his face.

When I saw the pictures you posted, I immediately thought of that play -- the description was pretty much dead on. You just missed it, I guess, when reading through. No big deal.

Yep, no big deal.

 

[SMCowboy]

It wasn't an honest recitation of what happened, which puts into doubt the rest of the night's breakdown. This is a classic case of trying to turn a lemon into lemonade. There are two ways for a DE to rush a QB: go around the tackle, or push him back into the QB, and we witnessed the latter. IMO, if Kitna didn't have Free and the lineman in his face, he completes that pass rather easily. At the very least, Free's poor play meant that Kitna had to throw it a tad early and at a crummy angle.

WRONG. Free did get beat, but he did stay in front of his guy. OL have been bull rushed over, and gotten the QB killed or sacked. Free while beaten by the bull rush DID stay in front of his man and Give Kitna enough time to throw the ball. Kitna still had plenty of room to throw the ball also, if you notice in your picture, Kitna STILL had room to step into his throw, and he threw it when Austin was open. It was a bad throw. There is a reason that Aikman who was a QB didn't point out that the DE didn't cause the over throw, because he knows that he didn't.

 

[theogt]

There are no silver linings on that play. To boast that Free "stayed on his man" in laughable considering that Free was sandwiched between the DE and the QB, prompting a rushed throw. Time to take the metallic blue sunglasses off.

Really, if the best you have to offer is to make this borderline argument that in a single play Free's poor play rushed the QB, I think his assessment is just fine.

If you have a problem with any other specific play, let us know. Otherwise, your general attacks on the guy's credibility are annoying, at best, considering the service he's providing to the board by writing up these reports.

 

[SMCowboy]

There are no silver linings on that play. To boast that Free "stayed on his man" in laughable considering that Free was sandwiched between the DE and the QB, prompting a rushed throw. Time to take the metallic blue sunglasses off.

Get over the rushed throw, the throw was NOT rushed. as I said, Kitna had room to step into his throw, and Austin was open. That is what the QB is looking for. There is a reason that Aikman ONLY pointed out that hitting your hand on a helmet can break a finger, and NOT that the throw was rushed or affected by the pressure, because NONE of it is true, it is all your mind.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

There are no silver linings on that play. To boast that Free "stayed on his man" in laughable considering that Free was sandwiched between the DE and the QB, prompting a rushed throw. Time to take the metallic blue sunglasses off.

That’s why these reports are a waste of time. I read one last week with Bobby Carpenter and they missed the play where he wiffs on a tackle...lost all validity.

 

[theogt]

That’s why these reports are a waste of time. I read one last week with Bobby Carpenter and they missed the play where he wiffs on a tackle...lost all validity.

Then don't open the thread.

Holy cow, the audacity of some people. Some guy spends his time to write up something like this and you people complain?

Some people would ***** about a free meal.

 

[Bleu Star]

It wasn't an honest recitation of what happened, which puts into doubt the rest of the night's breakdown. This is a classic case of trying to turn a lemon into lemonade. There are two ways for a DE to rush a QB: go around the tackle, or push him back into the QB, and we witnessed the latter. IMO, if Kitna didn't have Free and the lineman in his face, he completes that pass rather easily. At the very least, Free's poor play meant that Kitna had to throw it a tad early and at a crummy angle.

This.

 

[SMCowboy]

That’s why these reports are a waste of time. I read one last week with Bobby Carpenter and they missed the play where he wiffs on a tackle...lost all validity.

I didn't post the ones from last week. It was the ones from last week that gave me this idea. But I do know that it is NOT easy to catch every play, I tried my best to get every play, but I certainly may have missed one as well.

I can say, that I did NOT go into these trying to prove a player did or did not play well. I simply tried to put onto paper what happened. And not list what seemed to happen at first glance, but to look at the play 3 or 4 times if need be to see what actually happened.

 

[bbgun]

That’s why these reports are a waste of time. I read one last week with Bobby Carpenter and they missed the play where he wiffs on a tackle...lost all validity.

Ditto. Being a Cowboy fan doesn't give you the right to lie through your teeth or rewrite history. Maybe one day that'll finally sink in.

 

[21Savage]

I totally agree with everything theogt has said in this thread. And also appreciate the breakdown, as a guy who does a lot of perusing of line play myself and who's also looking for ways to contribute to this board in this manner.

Funny bbgun would pull up still pictures of one play and harp on it, neglecting the other plays that occurred. Why don't you pull up some still pics of the other plays in which free did good in, if you didn't come into the thread with an existing agenda.

 

[speedkilz88]

Since Free stayed on his man, Kitna actually could have easily slid over and had a clean pocket.

 

[theogt]

Ditto. Being a Cowboy fan doesn't give you the right to lie through your teeth or rewrite history. Maybe one day that'll finally sink in.

Lie through his teeth? Grow up. You're making a fool of yourself.

You're just butthurt because you thought you were going to make some big "AHA" moment where you caught the guy not counting a bad play by Free. But in reality, you just missed one of the first plays in the report. Your bad, move along.

 

[bbgun]

Get over the rushed throw, the throw was NOT rushed. as I said, Kitna had room to step into his throw, and Austin was open. That is what the QB is looking for. There is a reason that Aikman ONLY pointed out that hitting your hand on a helmet can break a finger, and NOT that the throw was rushed or affected by the pressure, because NONE of it is true, it is all your mind.

Your breakdown of that play had the benefit of being 50% true. Free does not get a cookie for merely staying on his feet. It was a bad play on his part from beginning to end, and I'm hardly the only person in this thread to come to that conclusion. I see our players as they really are; you don't. So there you go.

 

[SMCowboy]

There are no silver linings on that play. To boast that Free "stayed on his man" in laughable considering that Free was sandwiched between the DE and the QB,

This is half correct, he was in the end, and I posted: "Bull rushed so that Kitna’s follow threw hits Free" what is different from what I posted, and this right here. And it IS important to note, as even your still photos show, that Kitna DID have time and room to step INTO the throw. Alot of times on a bull rush where the guy is beat, the QB has to throw off his back foot. If you rewatch the play several times, you WILL noticed that Kitna DOES have plenty of room to step into his throw, and his hand does NOT hit Frees helmet till well AFTER the ball is out of his hand.

prompting a rushed throw. Time to take the metallic blue sunglasses off.

The first time I saw the play live, I thought Free was beat BADLY as well. But, when I went back and watched it again several times, you will noticed that Austin DOES get open, when Kitna starts his throw, and that Kitna has plenty of room to step into his throw. And Kitna does not hit his hand on Frees helmet till AFTER the ball is well out of his hand, the ONLY thing that Free being there affected was his follow threw, NOT the flight of the ball.

If it had Troy Aikman was DOES know a think or two about being a QB, would have pointed out that the overthrow was forced by the DE, NOT just saying you have to be careful hitting your hand on a QB's helmet, because it causes broken fingers.