Doug Free play by play

[speedkilz88]

Ditto. Being a Cowboy fan doesn't give you the right to lie through your teeth or rewrite history. Maybe one day that'll finally sink in.

You're full of crap, he didn't lie about anything.

 

[speedkilz88]

Your breakdown of that play had the benefit of being 50% true. Free does not get a cookie for merely staying on his feet. It was a bad play on his part from beginning to end, and I'm hardly the only person in this thread to come to that conclusion. I'm see our players as they really are; you don't. So there you go.

Some of us actually understand the game. Others just like to ***** about stupid stuff.

 

[bbgun]

Lie through his teeth?

Grow up. You're making a fool of yourself.

Um, what business is this of yours? I didn't address you in any way before you predictably butted in and started a whine-a-thon. Remember when I called you "needlessly argumentative"? Christ, was I ever on the money.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's the 4th play listed in his report. The one we've been discussing in this thread.

I went back and watched it -- it was a bad play by Free, but I don't think it caused Kitna to overthrow Austin. I think he would have done that regardless, because the ball had left his hand by the time he hit Free.

the follow through is big though, that's why it sailed because he didn't follow through

 

[theogt]

Your breakdown of that play had the benefit of being 50% true. Free does not get a cookie for merely staying on his feet. It was a bad play on his part from beginning to end, and I'm hardly the only person in this thread to come to that conclusion. I'm see our players as they really are; you don't. So there you go.

Wow. And you call me an egomaniac.
:laugh2:

 

[theogt]

Um, what business is this of yours? I didn't address you in any way before you predictably butted in and started a whine-a-thon. Remember when I called you "needlessly argumentative"? Christ, was I ever on the money.

Says the guy that is nit-picking the report because you think he mischaracterized a single play.

The predictably hypocritical bbgun appears.

 

[bbgun]

You're full of crap, he didn't lie about anything.

Um, I didn't mention anyone by name; I referenced generic Cowboy fans. But if he sees himself in that description, so be it.

 

[theogt]

Um, I didn't mention anyone by name.

And the backpedal begins.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Lie through his teeth? Grow up. You're making a fool of yourself.

You're just butthurt because you thought you were going to make some big "AHA" moment where you caught the guy not counting a bad play by Free. But in reality, you just missed one of the first plays in the report. Your bad, move along.

 

[bbgun]

Says the guy that is nit-picking the report because you think he mischaracterized a single play.

The predictably hypocritical bbgun appears.

Yes, unlike you, I'm arguing with the right person: the OP. I don't think he needs you riding to his rescue. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Kay?

 

[speedkilz88]

Yes, unlike you, I'm arguing with the right person: the OP. I don't think he needs you riding to his rescue. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Kay?

Calling someone a liar when they obviously didn't is going to get any normal human to come to his defense. Okay?

 

[theogt]

Yes, unlike you, I'm arguing with the right person: the OP. I don't think he needs you riding to his rescue. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Kay?

If you want to talk to the OP directly without others getting into the discussion, you should PM him.

Kay?

 

[DeaconBlues]

Ditto. Being a Cowboy fan doesn't give you the right to lie through your teeth or rewrite history. Maybe one day that'll finally sink in.

Someone goes through the trouble of describing the plays, and because it isn't negative enough to your liking, he lied?

 

[SMCowboy]

Your breakdown of that play had the benefit of being 50% true. Free does not get a cookie for merely staying on his feet. It was a bad play on his part from beginning to end, and I'm hardly the only person in this thread to come to that conclusion. I'm see our players as they really are; you don't. So there you go.

No, actually YOU are the only person on this board that is saying that it was a complete fabrication of the play.

I watched the play 4 or 5 times before writing what happened, how may times did you watch it. Here are the FACTS:
#1.) Troy Aikman who DID play QB never said that Kitna was rushed or hurried.
#2.) Kitna had room to step into his throw, he was NOT throwing off his back foot.
#3.) Austin WAS open when Kitna let the ball go
#4.) There was plenty of room to either side of Free, for Kitna move out of the way, if he was not ready to throw the football.

Kitna threw the ball when he did because Austin was open, and he was ready to throw the football, the ONLY thing that Free being pushed back into him affected was his follow through, NOTHING else.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Gentlemen. I read more than post, but there isn't one person in this thread whose insights and good humor I haven't enjoyed. We might want to save some energy for swatting Skins fans.

Theo, great observation on Free's potential impact. Let us hope.

 

[SMCowboy]

There are no silver linings on that play. To boast that Free "stayed on his man" in laughable considering that Free was sandwiched between the DE and the QB, prompting a rushed throw. Time to take the metallic blue sunglasses off.

Have you ever watched first hand highschool and college coaches break down film? I have, and I can tell you from first hand knowledge, that a coach will NOT see that as laughable. Quite the opposite they will point out exactly what I did.

The point of a bull rush, isn't to drive the OL into the QB, it is to drive THREW the OL. It is NOT uncommon at all for OL to get bull rushed threw and get left on the ground, as the DE is killing that QB.

A coach will point out, that you do NOT want to get beat like he was. However, he will also point out that IF you do get beat, that is the way you handle it. Because coaches know that the guys WILL get beat from time to time.

 

[RS12]

The jury is still out on Free. Should not be bull rushed that badly by a guy he outweighs by thirty pounds. Were talking Dave Ball not Reggie White. After three years in NFL weight room he is likely as strong as he is gonna be. He may be more suited to a zone scheme rather than than a power scheme. I hate to think how others teams starters might be able to throw him around.

 

[theogt]

The jury is still out on Free. Should not be bull rushed that badly by a guy he outweighs by thirty pounds. Were talking Dave Ball not Reggie White. After three years in NFL weight room he is likely as strong as he is gonna be. He may be more suited to a zone scheme rather than than a power scheme. I hate to think how others teams starters might be able to throw him around.

The size of the defensive end doesn't matter all that much. DEs that are smaller than their OT counterpart use a bullrush all the time. It's not like they're both standing their evenly matched and the DE just beats him. The tackle has to be ready for a number of different moves -- a speed rush, a bull rush, inside or outside. So the tackle isn't just sitting there ready to duke it out in a shoving match with the DE. This gives the DE the advantage of getting lower than a tackle and bullrushing him using leverage.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The jury is still out on Free. Should not be bull rushed that badly by a guy he outweighs by thirty pounds. Were talking Dave Ball not Reggie White. After three years in NFL weight room he is likely as strong as he is gonna be. He may be more suited to a zone scheme rather than than a power scheme. I hate to think how others teams starters might be able to throw him around.

If a guy leans the wrong way-- even for a split second, a lighter guy can gain a leverage advantage and "walk" the larger guy backwards. I see it in wrestling all the time. Free probably anticipated Ball going a different direction in his rush and Free overcompensated.

That being said even the greats like Erik Williams and Larry Allen would get bull-rushed on occasion.

Hey, it happens.

Look at Ware and his ability to bull-rush on occasion, he's successful not because he's stronger than the tackles he's playing against. They overcompensate for his lateral quickness and he takes advantage. And once these big guys start going in reverse-- it's hard for them to stop.

 

[kmd24]

Yes, unlike you, I'm arguing with the right person: the OP. I don't think he needs you riding to his rescue. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Kay?

Here's some unsolicited advice:

First rule of holes - When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.