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MichaelWinicki

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yes but well known fact Marnelli likes smaller players

and so Taco was the leading sack person in college in 2097 ?

well what ever floats your boat - but IMO we got a lesser player than G Ellis

I may be wrong

but let the big boy prove it

That's pretty much it... Let'em play and see what their sack percentage is.

The Cowboys had 36 sacks, and what kept them from 40 was that between Jack Crawford and Lawrence they only had 4.5 sacks for 856 sacks... That's not a good ratio. A DE needs to have at least 1 sack in 100 snaps.

If Taco can manage that then he'll be a nice addition.
 

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Yeah it's funny he would say that now when he said this on an April 5th mock draft he did
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31. Atlanta Falcons

Kiper: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan | Watch highlights
Vic Beasley Jr. had 15.5 sacks last season, but no other Falcon had more than 4.5 (Adrian Clayborn). That's where Charlton comes in, and he can hold up against the run, too. He has very long arms, measuring at 34¼ inches.

well that is actually logical.
taco is probably a better LDE to bookend with Bic Beasley and he can hold up against the run.
question is if he can be a RDE...
 

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Taco is a good player,he needs technique work when rushing the passer but i would rather have him then TJ Watt
Everyone says he has moves on moves, he probably needs some fine tuning but they say his hands and moves are his best attributes.
 

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well that is actually logical.
taco is probably a better LDE to bookend with Bic Beasley and he can hold up against the run.
question is if he can be a RDE...
I'm pretty sure they have Taco penciled in at RDE, with the size and overall athleticism to play anywhere along the line. But to start, they are going to line him up over Tyron Smith, because excluding his 40 time and taking in consideration that his acceleration last year was hampered by a high ankle sprain throughout the season, he is actually more ideal for RDE opposite David Irving or DLaw.
 

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well that is actually logical.
taco is probably a better LDE to bookend with Bic Beasley and he can hold up against the run.
question is if he can be a RDE...

Not really. Here he implies that Charlton is good at getting after the QB and can also handle the run. But in the Cowboys write up he acts like all he can do is reall just be an edge setting run defender.
 

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Detillier ranked the Cowboys’ first-round selection, Taco Charlton, as the fourth-best defensive end in the draft, behind Myles Garrett, Solomon Thomas and Derek Barnett, in that order.

“He has very long arms and a huge wingspan to get around would-be blockers,” Detillier wrote. “Big Ten tackles had a tough time controlling him in 2016, and he forced a ton of holding penalties.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...-lebreton/article147692359.html#storylink=cpy
The detractors of the Taco pick should take notice of this article.
 

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Nothing nice about it. A reporter says Seattle would have taken Charlton at 31 and after we took him, they traded out. You take umbrage with the phrase "their guy".

So maybe after netting an extra picks, Charlton was going to be "their guy" at 31. Makes sense too considering they took McDowell. They were clearly looking for DL help.

The whole point being there were teams around us likely to take Charlton too. And that somehow seems to bother you.

that does not make sense.
everyone and their mother knew the cowboys were going to take a DE.
furthermore, seattle traded their pick to atlanta in the first place so they could have had their pick of charlton or tak.
 

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I'm pretty sure they have Taco penciled in at RDE, with the size and overall athleticism to play anywhere along the line. But to start, they are going to line him up over Tyron Smith, because excluding his 40 time and taking in consideration that his acceleration last year was hampered by a high ankle sprain throughout the season, he is actually more ideal for RDE opposite David Irving or DLaw.

they probably have taco penciled in as rde.
we dont have a vic beasley.
 

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When their pick came at #26 in the 1st round, Seattle took Pocic, a center from LSU.

They traded down.



A lot of these guys didn't even play in 4/3 defenses with their hands down. We were looking for somebody to come off the other edge opposite Irving and [if he gets his act together] DLaw, and it looks like Marinelli wanted a big body for the DLine, and did not go the route of taking a smaller tweener and then trying to bulk him up while teaching to play with his hand in the dirt. His call.

Yep. His call. And Garrett's too. Not the route I would have gone, but as a fan, I hope they're right.
 

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Isn't the whole point of this to show teams had interest in Charlton around Dallas' pick?

That was the attempt.

Why does that bother you so much. You kind of sound bitter over this actually, which is surprising. You tend to be more levelheaded than this.

What bothers me is a claim not supported by the facts. Nothing more. I've repeatedly said that I hope Charlton justifies the pick.
 

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that does not make sense.
everyone and their mother knew the cowboys were going to take a DE.
furthermore, seattle traded their pick to atlanta in the first place so they could have had their pick of charlton or tak.

LOL. Hours before the draft, most of the local media was saying we were going CB in Rd 1. Minutes before the pick, there were some tweets wondering if we were going with Kevin King at 28.

This myth that everyone knew we were going DE is just BS to justify the bitterness over the pick.

You do know that Seattle may not have liked Takk at all, right?
 

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That was the attempt.



What bothers me is a claim not supported by the facts. Nothing more. I've repeatedly said that I hope Charlton justifies the pick.

So basically Mosher is lying? That it's beyond impossible that Miami could have taken Charlton at 22 or Seattle was hoping they could get picks and Charlton at 31?
 

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LOL. Hours before the draft, most of the local media was saying we were going CB in Rd 1.

This myth that everyone knew we were going DE is just BS to justify the bitterness over the pick.

You do know that Seattle may not have liked Takk at all, right?

stephen and jerry have both pretty much said you can get a decent DE in the 1st but less likely in the 2nd.
 

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They traded down.

I'm reading back through this thread trying to understand what the issue is here. It's become so garbled I can't even figure it out. The best I can understand, somebody claimed Seattle had the #31 pick. So after they used their #26 pick to grab a Center, Pocic, they were really REALLY hoping they could grab Charleton at #31. Only we grabbed him first at #28. So Seattle then traded back out of the #31 spot.

Coupled with the report Miami was fully intending to take Taco at #22 if Harris was gone, this is proof people whining Taco was 'taken too early in the 1st round" like maybe he should've dropped to round 2 or something are way off base. He was ALWAYS a 1st round draft prospect and was going between 20-30 no matter how many people claim differently.
 

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stephen and jerry have both pretty much said you can get a decent DE in the 1st but less likely in the 2nd.

Well they said that after they took Charlton. But they didn't give much indication before the draft to where they were leaning. As I said, the tweets were coming hours before the draft started that the Cowboys were probably going CB in Rd 1 (even Conley was an option) and that right before the pick, some in the media were opining that we were going with Kevin King..

So no............. no every person on the planet knew that we were going DE in Rd 1.
 

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I'm reading back through this thread trying to understand what the issue is here. It's become so garbled I can't even figure it out. The best I can understand, somebody claimed Seattle had the #31 pick. So after they used their #26 pick to grab a Center, Pocic, they were really REALLY hoping they could grab Charleton at #31. Only we grabbed him first at #28. So Seattle then traded back out of the #31 spot.

Coupled with the report Miami was fully intending to take Taco at #22 if Harris was gone, this is proof people whining Taco was 'taken too early in the 1st round" like maybe he should've dropped to round 2 or something are way off base. He was ALWAYS a 1st round draft prospect and was going between 20-30 no matter how many people claim differently.

Pocic wasn't taken at 26. They traded the 26th pick to Atlanta to get more picks.
 

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Pocic wasn't taken at 26. They traded the 26th pick to Atlanta to get more picks.

Holy crap I misread the NFL site. Did Jerry have an 'understanding' with Seattle? I get what stashroo is saying now. So both Takk and Taco are sitting right there at #26 and....Seattle trades out of the round?

Wow.
 

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Tanier's individual player grades below. Didn't like the Taco pick, liked Awuzie and Lewis, loved Woods ("draft crush alert!") and Brown ("steal of the 7th round").

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706180-nfl-draft-2017-round-1-grades-for-every-pick
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706317-nfl-draft-2017-round-2-3-grades-for-every-nfl-pick
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706570-2017-nfl-draft-grades-full-day-3-report-card

No. 28 Dallas Cowboys: Taco Charlton, Edge, Michigan
Strengths: Length, torque, athletic potential and upside.
Weaknesses: Run defense, array of moves, consistency off the line.

Scouts and coaches look at Taco Charlton and see a tall, long-armed, athletic pass-rusher who can be sculpted like marble into the ultimate defensive weapon as soon as he: A) Develops a deeper, more refined set of pass-rushing moves; B) figures out how to position himself and use leverage to his advantage in the running game; and C) develops more all-around consistency and a better approach against elite blockers.

I look at Charlton and see the kind of pet-project edge-rusher teams frequently whiff on, a guy whose sack production came when Michigan schemed to free him up against overmatched blockers and a solid athlete who will always get plowed under on running plays or chicken-fight with the left tackle if his first move gets stymied.

Coaches and scouts know more than I do, of course. But I have been watching them draft Barkevious Mingo, Jarvis Jones, Vernon Gholston, Aaron Maybin and Dion Jordan types for a long time, and Charlton makes me really, really nervous.

Anyway, Charlton fills two Cowboys needs: 1) edge-rusher, and 2) player Jerry Jones saw on a Saturday afternoon, liked, and remembered the name of.
Grade: C+

No. 60 Dallas Cowboys: Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
Strengths: Instincts, size, athleticism, range and tackling.
Weaknesses: Deep-coverage skills.

The Cowboys ranked 29th in the NFL in preventing short passes, according to Football Outsiders. They were a bend-but-not-break defense that took advantage of playing with the lead and never being on the field too long.

Awuzie and Ahkello Witherspoon gave the Buffaloes a pair of king-sized starting cornerbacks. Witherspoon is the 6’3” athletic outlier who tackled like he was afraid of hurting anyone’s feelings. Awuzie is shorter (6’0”) but far more physical. He’s also much more effective when reading patterns in front of him and breaking on the ball. So he can help break up his share of those short passes.

In fact, Awuzie looks like a future All-Pro until he loses his receiver in the open field on a double move. He fits best as a zone-coverage defender. Awuzie also has special teams experience and blocked 10 kicks in high school, giving him added value if the Cowboys start him out as a nickel or dime defender.
Grade: A-

No. 92 Dallas Cowboys: Jourdan Lewis, Cornerback, Michigan
Strengths: Quickness, experience, return skills, ball skills.
Weaknesses: Size, clutch-and-grab habits.

Lewis is a classic Cover 2-style cornerback: smooth, quick-footed, smart and competitive. He has the hands and suddenness to turn a pass in front of him into an interception and is a darting, determined return man.

If Lewis were an inch taller and eight pounds heavier and didn’t reach to hug every receiver who threatened to beat him during his transition, he’d be a first-round pick. As-is, he’s a capable starter who is more likely to have a productive career than some of the size/speed marvels in this year’s class.

The Chidobe Awuzie-Lewis 1-2 punch significantly upgrades the Cowboys cornerback corps, giving them two first-round talents who can match up with different kinds of receivers.
Grade: A

No. 133 Dallas Cowboys: Ryan Switzer, Wide Receiver, North Carolina
Strengths: Quickness, short-area elusiveness, hands.
Weaknesses: Size.

No need to belabor the point here: short, shifty, nifty slot receiver; quick off the line; fearless in traffic; too small to be anything but a role player.

I got to see a lot of Switzer at the Senior Bowl and during combine workouts, and he's a powerfully built little ballplayer who snatches the ball out of the air. Compare him to your favorite Patriots slot receiver or to incumbent Cole Beasley. It's OK. It's not problematic. That's what he's like.
Grade: C-plus.

No. 191 Dallas Cowboys: Xavier Woods, Safety, Louisiana Tech
Strengths: Range, instincts, hustle.
Weaknesses: Size, some swing-and-whiff tackling.

Draft crush alert! Woods is an undersized, high-octane, mid-major playmaker who is always around the football. He can attack the backfield or play in space and usually takes great angles to the football, though he will sometimes overrun the play or go for the kill shot. He will also read the quarterback and undercut a route given the opportunity. Woods cannot cover Gronk types, but I love him as a nickel package safety against nifty slot receivers and as a special teams demon.
Grade: Excellent.

No. 216 Dallas Cowboys: Marquez White, Cornerback, Florida State
Strengths: Size, jam.
Weaknesses: Transition, footwork, run support.

White is a long-armed 6-footer who can control smaller receivers at the line of scrimmage. Things get messy after that, however, as White has bad feet and hips in transition and doesn't show up often in run support. White looked like a budding first-rounder in 2015 but didn't develop last season. It's a gamble-on-the-tape measure selection, with the risk minimized by the fact that the Cowboys have made major expenditures at cornerback in this draft.
Grade: Good.

No. 228 Dallas Cowboys: Joey Ivie, Defensive Tackle, Florida
High-effort run-plugger. Missed chunks of his college career with injuries and family crises. A good selection to provide max-effort, bottom-of-the-depth chart competition.
Grade: Good.

No. 239 Dallas Cowboys: Noah Brown, Wide Receiver, Ohio State
Strengths: Size, blocking, upside.
Weaknesses: Injury history, speed/quickness.

Brown is the next Jermaine Kearse. He will be one of the best blocking receivers in the NFL, adding just enough run-after-catch ability and possession value to keep him involved in an offense. Like Kearse, Brown is more likely to be the guy blocking for some other receiver's tunnel-screen touchdown than the guy catching it. But Brown missed 2015 with a broken leg and was often used as an all-purpose player at Ohio State, so he may have untapped potential as a more traditional weapon.

This is the steal of the seventh round.
Grade: Excellent.

No. 246 Dallas Cowboys: Jordan Carrell, Defensive End, Colorado
High-energy run stopper. Not regarded as a top athlete. Carrell probably maxes out as a wave defender. Grade: Good.
 

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Well they said that after they took Charlton. But they didn't give much indication before the draft to where they were leaning. As I said, the tweets were coming hours before the draft started that the Cowboys were probably going CB in Rd 1 (even Conley was an option) and that right before the pick, some in the media were opining that we were going with Kevin King..

So no............. no every person on the planet knew that we were going DE in Rd 1.

i recall the DE pick was telegraphed
so were the CB picks like the 2nd round and the 3rd round.
that is why ATL jumped ahead of us to take Tak.
i dont understand why the FO telegraphs like that.
Eagles also knew to jump right ahead of us to take the RB...
 
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