Draft prediction

[rambo2]

The Steelers and the Saints will both want Patrick Mahomes and want to trade up to 28 to get him.

 

[Risen Star]

I doubt the Steelers but another QB who is getting some 1st round buzz now is Davis Webb.

It's definitely possible the Cowboys could be getting offers for that pick with a QB in mind.

 

[darthseinfeld]

The Steelers and the Saints will both want Patrick Mahomes and want to trade up to 28 to get him.

I doubt the Steelers but another QB who is getting some 1st round buzz now is Davis Webb.

It's definitely possible the Cowboys could be getting offers for that pick with a QB in mind.

I think it takes a 2018 first to to get us to move out of the first. Possible if a team wants a QB, but not unlikely

 

[Alexander]

I doubt the Steelers but another QB who is getting some 1st round buzz now is Davis Webb.

If he ends up going in the first, then I will just resign myself to the fact that NFL talent evaluators are completely clueless about the QB position and really just are taking random crazy shots at them.

Webb reminds me of Tom Savage a few years ago and he was getting hyped by everybody unnecessarily. He ended up going about where he was originally projected to go.

Mahomes is the one QB I can see a team getting excited enough about to risk it.

 

[HookEmCowboys]

The Steelers and the Saints will both want Patrick Mahomes and want to trade up to 28 to get him.

Hard to see the Saints trading up to 28 from 32 to draft a QB when none of Dallas, NE or Atlanta will likely be looking for one with their 1st pick.

 

[Risen Star]

If he ends up going in the first, then I will just resign myself to the fact that NFL talent evaluators are completely clueless about the QB position and really just are taking random crazy shots at them.

Webb reminds me of Tom Savage a few years ago and he was getting hyped by everybody unnecessarily. He ended up going about where he was originally projected to go.

Mahomes is the one QB I can see a team getting excited enough about to risk it.

I've seen Favre comparisons with Mahomes.

He might be the most polarizing prospect in this draft. I have no idea where to put him.

 

[HookEmCowboys]

I've seen Favre comparisons with Mahomes.

He might be the most polarizing prospect in this draft. I have no idea where to put him.

Definitely can see that gun slinger esque style.

His success is going to come down to 1) whatever organization picks him and can surround him with the tools he'll need to succeed (obviously) and 2) the fan base/FO having enough patience to allow him to get through the learning curve. He's arguably got the best arm talent in this year's QB class, but coming from an Air Raid system and transiting to the NFL has never really worked initially. He'll be a 2-3 year project IMO.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I've seen Favre comparisons with Mahomes.

He might be the most polarizing prospect in this draft. I have no idea where to put him.

Elite tools and football character. Needs at least a year of coaching to learn an NFL offense. Id put him in the mid first range because he is a self starter and more likely to hit his ceiling then players with a comparable profile

Better prospect then Lynch last year IMO

 

[HookEmCowboys]

Hard to see the Saints trading up to 28 from 32 to draft a QB when none of Dallas, NE or Atlanta will likely be looking for one with their 1st pick.

I was wrong about the draft order. Saints have NE's #32 picks, but the point still stands. None of Dallas, Green Bay or ATL are probably looking for a CB. Steelers maybe, but I'd be surprised they don't go elsewhere with their 1R.

 

[rambo2]

Hard to see the Saints trading up to 28 from 32 to draft a QB when none of Dallas, NE or Atlanta will likely be looking for one with their 1st pick.

The Steelers have pick 30 and they will take a qb. New England doesn't have a pick. The Saints certainly would trade up because there are other teams that would want to get in front of them and the Steelers.

 

[HookEmCowboys]

The Steelers have pick 30 and they will take a qb. New England doesn't have a pick. The Saints certainly would trade up because there are other teams that would want to get in front of them and the Steelers.

Yeah, I corrected myself. Still think it's unlikely the Steelers take a QB first round simply because I don't believe they're at a point where they have decided Big Ben isn't good enough anymore. Offense wasn't their problem this past season or why the got whipped by the Pats. They need help in the secondary and lost several LBs in FA. So no, I doubt a QB is their pick.

If the Saints really want a QB they could just pick one with their first pick in the top 15. They also have holes everywhere on their roster and Brees was solid last year. Doubt a QB is their top priority.

 

[Setackin]

I think it's unlikely for some to trade up for these QBs... another position maybe but not QB...

 

[visionary]

I think it takes a 2018 first to to get us to move out of the first. Possible if a team wants a QB, but not unlikely

Usually I would agree
This is a very deep draft and a Rd 2 pick would net us s defensive starter

 

[Stash]

Hard to see the Saints trading up to 28 from 32 to draft a QB when none of Dallas, NE or Atlanta will likely be looking for one with their 1st pick.

Yes, but keep in mind that it's not just Dallas, NE, or Atlanta that they have to worry about. Anybody wanting a QB and that 5th year option could make a trade with any of those teams as well.

 

[Stash]

I think it takes a 2018 first to to get us to move out of the first. Possible if a team wants a QB, but not unlikely

I'm not so sure. In a deep defensive draft, I can certainly see Dallas being open to trading down a few spots and acquiring more draft picks for this year.

 

[DBOY3141]

Yeah, I corrected myself. Still think it's unlikely the Steelers take a QB first round simply because I don't believe they're at a point where they have decided Big Ben isn't good enough anymore. Offense wasn't their problem this past season or why the got whipped by the Pats. They need help in the secondary and lost several LBs in FA. So no, I doubt a QB is their pick.

If the Saints really want a QB they could just pick one with their first pick in the top 15. They also have holes everywhere on their roster and Brees was solid last year. Doubt a QB is their top priority.

I think there concern is how much longer does Ben want to play. I'm sure he will play in 2017, but who knows about 2018. I dont' see him playing 5 more years, so drafting a QB in round 1, gives that guy some time to learn from Ben.

 

[HookEmCowboys]

Yes, but keep in mind that it's not just Dallas, NE, or Atlanta that they have to worry about. Anybody wanting a QB and that 5th year option could make a trade with any of those teams as well.

That's true. I'm addressing what the OP says though, that Saints will want to move up from #32 and Steelers up from #30.

I suppose teams like SF or Chicago could try to sneak back in at the end of R1 hoping to snag a QB if they picked elsewhere at 2 and 3. That'll cost them some of their future leverage though and they are both rebuilding teams. They'd also have to really believe those teams ahead of them want a QB too.

I wouldn't budge for anything less than their 2017 2R and 2018 1R picks.

 

[HookEmCowboys]

I think there concern is how much longer does Ben want to play. I'm sure he will play in 2017, but who knows about 2018. I dont' see him playing 5 more years, so drafting a QB in round 1, gives that guy some time to learn from Ben.

Also true. I'd still be surprised to see it though and for now they have a decent backup with Jones if all things fall apart plus they have other more immediate needs to address if they want to make another SB run. They're a win now team.

 

[Stash]

That's true. I'm addressing what the OP says though, that Saints will want to move up from #32 and Steelers up from #30.

I suppose teams like SF or Chicago could try to sneak back in at the end of R1 hoping to snag a QB if they picked elsewhere at 2 and 3. That'll cost them some of their future leverage though and they are both rebuilding teams. They'd also have to really believe those teams ahead of them want a QB too.

I just wanted to illustrate the bigger picture and that it wasn't necessarily limited to who was currently picking where as it stands today.

I wouldn't budge for anything less than their 2017 2R and 2018 1R picks.

I certainly want the requisite value, but I'm not stuck on getting a 1st rounder next year. In fact, I'd rather get payment today rather than a future promissory note. This draft's quality and depth lines up with our current needs and I'd like to make the most of that.

 

[HookEmCowboys]

I just wanted to illustrate the bigger picture and that it wasn't necessarily limited to who was currently picking where as it stands today.



I certainly want the requisite value, but I'm not stuck on getting a 1st rounder next year. In fact, I'd rather get payment today rather than a future promissory note. This draft's quality and depth lines up with our current needs and I'd like to make the most of that.

I get that. I'm musing about who could want to trade up before NO or Pitt if they think one of those two teams are going to take a QB with their first rounders. Who is in the market and who could make it worth for Dallas to allow them to move up?

I actually agree about getting more picks this year since it's a good draft to address positions Dallas needs help at but other teams are also aware it's a deep class so grabbing someone's 2 and 3 might be harder than a 2 this year and a 1 next.