Draft Recap

[DFWJC]

Did I actually just read in an above post that "Steve Slaton is better than Felix Jones"??

ANd this thread is still active and has not been laughed off the board?

Yeah, sometimes there's a post-killer comment--one so bad we all feel dumber just reading it.



I guess this post has deeper roots.

 

[DFWJC]

I keep hearing how Mendenhall is a better back than Felix and its said over and over as if its a fact.

I guess if people see it in a enough draft preview mags then it just sort of morphs into the norm and is just taken as a fact.

I believe Felix Jones is the better back of the two and I really dont think its all that close. I like Mendenhall alot but would have been very upset if he was picked over Felix. Felix has a much better college resume and career and his only problem was the best back in college football was on his team. ANd they still had to get Felix on the field even with Mcfadden.

I believe Mendenahll was rated higher because he was a starter and not necessarily a better player. If Mendenhall played in the SEC he would have been a second round pick

I have no idea who will be better, but some of what you say could be true. Several teams passed on Mendenhall that the mocks always seemed to have him going to. Besides basically everyone saying he would not fall past Detroit, here are a few others that were expected to possibly take him: Carolina, Chicago, Arizona...even in some cases Denver, Tampa, etc. They ALL pasted on Mendenhall. So if there was sepration, it was small.

 

[DT101]

We did the smart thing by getting Jenkins at 25, both Jones and Mendenhall would have been gone by 25 (You seriously think Chris Johnson would have been taken over Jones?).

And Jones wasn't drafted to be a starting running back. He was drafted to be a compliment. Sure, he may have been picked high, but the only other guy we wanted at this spot, we got. We have a pro-bowl running back thats still young and is the same type of back as Mendenhall. We don't need someone to take over starter soon, we need a second running back who we can put in every once in a while as a change of pace. We were filling a need, not taking the BPA. Not to mention Jones gives us a solid kick returner to go with a solid Punt returner we gained in Pac-man, now we finally have some threats to score on returns.

And I know if Barber goes down we look like we are screwed, but why do you think we drafted Choice? He looks pretty good and he will probably be starting over Jones if Barber goes down (God forbid)

So yea, I feel drafting a RB at 22 was a genius move as the only other player we would have drafted we got later.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The hype for the SEC is that they have better all-around talent than other conferences. This is backed up by the amount of NFL starters they have on the Defensive side of the ball. Miami is a perfect example of what happens when you mix a couple of good players with a bunch of not so good ones. Average at best.

I get what your saying.

did he or did he not make a ton of big plays at Arkansas?

did he or did he not have the 2nd highest yds per carry ever in NCAA history?

did he or did he not have excellent production over a 3yr period in the best conference?

honestly we get it man, you dont like him. and you know what? Rashard Mendenhall or Chris Johnson or whomever else still aint gonna be here tomorrow

David

Your right he did have the second highest YPC average ever. However that doesn't speak for his overall game if his carries would continue to go up his average would have went down. He doesn't have one season where he went over 200 carries.

Did I actually just read in an above post that "Steve Slaton is better than Felix Jones"??

ANd this thread is still active and has not been laughed off the board?

Look at the stats more rushing yards rushing td's reciving yards reciving td's i think thats a better RB. [sarcasm] but hey he average 7.7 ypc so he must be a good RB [/sarcasm]

 

[DaBoys4Life]

We did the smart thing by getting Jenkins at 25, both Jones and Mendenhall would have been gone by 25 (You seriously think Chris Johnson would have been taken over Jones?).

i think the titans would have taken CJ over Jones.

And Jones wasn't drafted to be a starting running back. He was drafted to be a compliment. Sure, he may have been picked high, but the only other guy we wanted at this spot, we got. We have a pro-bowl running back thats still young and is the same type of back as Mendenhall. We don't need someone to take over starter soon, we need a second running back who we can put in every once in a while as a change of pace. We were filling a need, not taking the BPA. Not to mention Jones gives us a solid kick returner to go with a solid Punt returner we gained in Pac-man, now we finally have some threats to score on returns.

Mendenhall would have been better for multiple reasons. He's a better RB that runs hards and breaks tackles and 40 time is faster than Jones and he makes big plays and has breakaway speed. you know he can carry the load with he being the featured back barber asking for 40-60 mill with mendenhall we could have more flexibility in the contract talks since mendenhall would have put pressure on barber to sign for less.

And I know if Barber goes down we look like we are screwed, but why do you think we drafted Choice? He looks pretty good and he will probably be starting over Jones if Barber goes down (God forbid)

So yea, I feel drafting a RB at 22 was a genius move as the only other player we would have drafted we got later.

Tashard Choice is very good and be a lot better than some people think. RB at 22 wasn't genius at all just a move by Jerry where he was to high on a pick.

 

[SMCowboy]

Attack the post not the poster calling me stupid? First off I have watched the kid play. Just because i also watch the kid play and read scouting reports and i only comment on the scouting reports i've read that right off the bat makes me lazy. Stop jumping to conclusions and looking for faults in my argument by attacking me because it only makes you look foolish.

Anyone who says that Steve Slaton is a better RB than Felix Jones is either stupid or blineded by the hate they have for the guy because their "pet-cat" was not drafted.

We shall see midway threw the season who knows what they are talking about....

And I can promise you that the idiot will be you for saying that Felix Jones can not catch and can not make big plays..... And even worse to act like you know more than Bill Polian. When someone as smart about football as Bill Polian talks, you have to be really really STUPID not to listen.....

 

[SMCowboy]

i think the titans would have taken CJ over Jones.

That is a beyond CRAZY view.....

 

[DallasEast]

i think the titans would have taken CJ over Jones.

That is a beyond CRAZY view.....

It's worse than that. During a Day Two draft/NFLN interview, Jeff Fisher himself said that the Titans were targeting Felix Jones. Felix Jones. Not Chris Johnson. That's from the horse's mouth.

 

[BrassCowboy]

honestly all I needed to see was you posting this, and I already knew was I was going to read.

Sorry about Felix not having the letters C & J in his initials, but your post sounds a little biased.

Felix would notof been there at #28 because Tennessee wanted him. If we would of waited until #28 to grab a RB, we would of been stuck with Calvin Johnson. Isn't that the guy Tennessee grabbed? hmmm sounds like you thought this out LOL

Jenkins would not of made it to #28, so reason for move up.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Some people have gotten their noses bent out of shape because the Cowboys didn't select their "pet cat(s)".

I'm not too sure about taking Jones over Mendenhall but one thing's for sure, the bench press reps mean absolutely nothing. Jerry said Felix has very strong legs and that's all that matters. If you look at highlights, he doesn't go down easy and has balance. JJ spent a massive amount of time bulking up and became top heavy... yeah that really helped him out a lot.

 

[DallasEast]

You should look at his 07 numbers.

Especially since in 06 he was utilized almost exclusively as a short yardage back, until last year when people started to actually realize he was much better than JJ.

2007

TD #1: Giants/Game 1 - Barber 18-yard touchdown run
TD #2: Dolphins - Barber 1-yard touchdown run
TD #3: Dolphins - Barber 40-yard touchdown run
TD #4: Bears - Barber 1-yard touchdown run
TD #5: Vikings - Barber 1-yard touchdown run
TD #6: Eagles/Game 1 - Barber 5-yard touchdown run
TD #7: Jets - Barber 7-yard touchdown run
TD #8: Lions - Barber 20-yard touchdown run
TD #9: Lions - Barber 1-yard touchdown run
TD #10: Panthers - Barber 5-yard touchdown run
TD #11:Giants/Game 3 - Barber 1-yard touchdown run

2005

TD #1: Cardinals - Barber 28-yard touchdown run
TD #2: Cardinals - Barber 10-yard touchdown run
TD #3: Philadelphia/Game 2 - Barber 1-yard touchdown run
TD #4: Lions - Barber 6-yard touchdown run
TD #5: Lions - Barber 4-yard touchdown run

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Anyone who says that Steve Slaton is a better RB than Felix Jones is either stupid or blineded by the hate they have for the guy because their "pet-cat" was not drafted.

We shall see midway threw the season who knows what they are talking about....

And I can promise you that the idiot will be you for saying that Felix Jones can not catch and can not make big plays..... And even worse to act like you know more than Bill Polian. When someone as smart about football as Bill Polian talks, you have to be really really STUPID not to listen.....

OK time will tell but i question his ability to catch. My pet cat was CJ we didn't draft him o well. The fact we passed on the better RB in mendenhall is what is getting to me.

honestly all I needed to see was you posting this, and I already knew was I was going to read.

Sorry about Felix not having the letters C & J in his initials, but your post sounds a little biased.

Felix would notof been there at #28 because Tennessee wanted him. If we would of waited until #28 to grab a RB, we would of been stuck with Calvin Johnson. Isn't that the guy Tennessee grabbed? hmmm sounds like you thought this out LOL

Jenkins would not of made it to #28, so reason for move up.

If the titans was targetting Felix and not CJ then thats cool i didn't know that. However Calvin Johnson is the WR for the Lions Chris Johnson is the guy that grabbed him. If the Titans really wanted Felix why not trade up for him ?

 

[DallasEast]

If the titans was targetting Felix and not CJ then thats cool i didn't know that. However Calvin Johnson is the WR for the Lions Chris Johnson is the guy that grabbed him. If the Titans really wanted Felix why not trade up for him ?

I know that this will not matter very much to you, but... here you go:

HEAD COACH JEFF FISHER
(opening statements)

"Well, as you can see there was a lot of movement in the first round ahead of us and we got four or five picks away and we felt very good because we had three or four players that we were very excited about. A couple of them went ahead of us.

JEFF FISHER
(on if he was tempted to try and trade up to get Felix Jones)

"No, we were very content. We had numerous discussions comparing and contrasting both Felix and Chris. I’ll just say this: we’re very delighted to have an opportunity to draft Chris. We feel like Felix is going to have a great career. It was a great selection. I came in early this morning to look at both of them again. That’s how close we were. Both of them are very similar from the standpoint of what they do and how they do it. I’m going to let Cole Proctor talk about it because he’s seen him first hand."

http://www.titansonline.com/news/newsmain_detail.php?PRKey=5713

 

[BrassCowboy]

OK time will tell but i question his ability to catch. My pet cat was CJ we didn't draft him o well. The fact we passed on the better RB in mendenhall is what is getting to me.



If the titans was targetting Felix and not CJ then thats cool i didn't know that. However Calvin Johnson is the WR for the Lions Chris Johnson is the guy that grabbed him. If the Titans really wanted Felix why not trade up for him ?

ok your right about the name thing... it is chris johnson I meant of course, thanks for that. Guess I came across a little strong. sorry.

Anyways, yes it was known that Tennessee was eyeing Felix. They would of had to trade up for either player because three teams (Tennessee, Houston, San Diego) were interested in those two players (jenkins, Felix) and Dallas figured it to be better picking up Felix first.

Asfar as picking Felix over Mendenhall. well that is an argument that will have to be answered on the football field. From what I read and heard, Jerry felt that Felix makes a better running back in our offense with MBIII. He can receive the ball as well as run, and the one thing Felix brings that Julius Jones or any other combo has before is that Felix and MBIII can be on the field at the same time. Felix has done that with McFadden in college and I really feel it adds a whole new dimension to our offense. It is one thing they actually can see in his college days that he is a team player.

Remember this as well, just because a guy gets limited opportunities to touch the ball because they have a guy like McFadden playing in front of them, does not mean they can not be that lead guy. the only reason his touches were limited was because of McFadden not because of his play. He played very well in a backup role, good enough to rack upover 1100 yards. He is fast, can catch, and yes he can block.

 

[MONT17]

Tom Brady didnt start over Drew Henson and people still want to rag on players that dont peak in college or play in the wrong system/coach... Didnt Garrison Hearst start over TD?

My thing is consider the source... the Steelers have always had productive drafts Jerry has not! Matt Millen has passed on many of Pro Bowlers to drafts stiffs in the recent past but its Mendenhalls work ethic that had him fall in the 20s!

If Felix Jones is that good why didnt he go higher? If u can use him like Reggie Bush why didnt he go Higher?


I think the Cowboys got lucky, this draft was full of CB, RB, OT... Lucky 4 the Boys the run on OTs forced CBs n RBs down n the 1st! I wanted Mendenhall too but if Jerry wanted Felix what can u do...

If Jerry wants to draft a backup RB/kick returners in the first round because he thinks he will "compliment" what we have... let me remind u of the last time Jerry drafted a compliment on O... David Lafleur!

 

[silverbear]

Isn't as fast as timed....13 reps is meager.....was a back up his whole college career...I could give 2 craps how nice he is off the field we are taking any types of players and they need to impact and i don't think he will have any impact for us at all. I think he is the second c oming of JJ

I think he's the second coming of Maurice Jones-Drew... I think a reasonable expectation for him this coming season is 700 yards on 150 carries, 400 yards on 40 receptions, with maybe 8 or 9 TDs... I also expect him to be their primary kickoff returner, and an effective one...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think he's the second coming of Maurice Jones-Drew... I think a reasonable expectation for him this coming season is 700 yards on 150 carries, 400 yards on 40 receptions, with maybe 8 or 9 TDs... I also expect him to be their primary kickoff returner, and an effective one...

CJ is the 2nd coming of MJD Felix Jones is ..... idk who to compare him to outside of his KR and high YPC its nothing else there. Not that, that is a knock on him however, his YPC won't be as high and his KR is the only legitimate think holding him down right now. Can he come in and be like MJD i doubt that MJD can block and put Merriman on his backside if Felix Jones can duplicate any of the short of putting any type of LB to the ground then i would be estatic however since he can't do that what are we looking at. A KR who going to split time hands are question and can't pass block.

If those are your expectation for Felix then you are going to be in a for a nightmare this upcoming season.

 

[SMCowboy]

CJ is the 2nd coming of MJD Felix Jones is ..... idk who to compare him to outside of his KR and high YPC its nothing else there. Not that, that is a knock on him however, his YPC won't be as high and his KR is the only legitimate think holding him down right now. Can he come in and be like MJD i doubt that MJD can block and put Merriman on his backside if Felix Jones can duplicate any of the short of putting any type of LB to the ground then i would be estatic however since he can't do that what are we looking at. A KR who going to split time hands are question and can't pass block.

If those are your expectation for Felix then you are going to be in a for a nightmare this upcoming season.

The interesting question will be are you going to be around to eat a TON of crow when Felix Jones becomes a good NFL back, because you have been quite steadfast in your view that Felix Jones is a guaranteed bust.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The interesting question will be are you going to be around to eat a TON of crow when Felix Jones becomes a good NFL back, because you have been quite steadfast in your view that Felix Jones is a guaranteed bust.

Yeah, he has hasn't he...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The interesting question will be are you going to be around to eat a TON of crow when Felix Jones becomes a good NFL back, because you have been quite steadfast in your view that Felix Jones is a guaranteed bust.

yup i will be. I'm sure i've said this before if Felix turns out to be as good as advertised then I wouldn't mind because he is a Cowboys and that would make us better. So I will be glad if I am wrong about this guy I want to be wrong about him actually but we will see.