Joe Rod;2063203 said:
You do realize that our leading tackler (Brady James) was from LSU, right? How about our Pro Bowl Free Safety from Arkansas? Our starting Nose Tackle from Auburn? Our Starting Defensive End from LSU? That is four of eleven players on your starting defense from the SEC. The SEC has also produced the last two Defensive ROYs. In fact, in 2007, the SEC led all conferences with 10.8 starters per team, including the most starting Defensive lineman, Cornerbacks and Strong Safeties.
Here are a few more off the top of my head, but bear in mind that I'm not an SEC expert so I have no doubt that there are more....
DeMeco Ryans - 2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year and 2007 Pro-Bowler - Alabama
Patrick Willis - 2007 Defensive Rookie of the Year
Champ Bailey - 8 time Pro-Bowl selection and arguably the best DB in the league - Georgia
Richard Seymour - five time pro-bowl selection from Georgia
Attached is an article that I got the stats above from.....
http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/uwire/091407aaq.html
Yea i looked it up also last nite and saw the same names. However what i am trying to elude to is the hype of the SEC defense VS the actual dominace of the SEC defenders at the next level. Yes i knew bradie james was from LSU. Everyone else from the pro bowl wasn't from the SEC and they were more than a couple of players from the
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gbrittain;2063562 said:
I respect your opinion and Mendenhall may very well be the better prospect, eventhough I am not sure about that, but at least that is debatable.
However, you really can't say he will be the better pro.
Did you see Charlie Batch having a better career than Ryan Leaf?
I know what your saying the draft is a crap shot however I'm willing to stand by what I have stated.
JeffInDC;2063592 said:
That is the funniest crap I've read in ages. Let me paste this little tidbit I got off the web about Other GM's views of Felix:
FELIX JONES, Arkansas (5-10, 210, 4.45, 1-2) - Played behind McFadden for three years, getting 386 carries to McFadden's 785. "If Felix Jones played for West Virginia," said Polian, "you'd be talking about him in the same breath as Mendenhall and Stewart. He only suffers by comparison to the guy he's playing with." Averaged 7.7 yards per carry, second in NCAA history behind Army's Glenn Davis (8.3) from 1943-'46. Averaged 8.7 in '07, gaining 1,162 yards. "There's some similarities to Reggie (Bush)," said Rick Reiprish, New Orleans' director of college scouting. "Reggie is so quick but Jones might be a little faster." Happy-go-lucky personality. Excels on kickoff returns. "You can put him at wideout, the slot, running back," Brocato said. "He's tough. He runs inside. I think he can (carry the load)." Others see him as a change-of-pace back. "A very competitive runner who doesn't like to go down," said Eric DeCosta, Baltimore's director of college scouting. "He fights for yards all the time. If he was there in the second round he'd be excellent value." Wonderlic score of 22.
All I needed to see was the name Polian, as in Bill Polian. DB4L, put the pipe down. Go get some game tape of a guy before you decide to put your foot-in-your-mouth again.
If Felix Jones played for west virgina he would have been a 4th round prospect like Steve Slanton...... I don't understand what you are getting at but he wasn't better than Slanton was at WVU. I think i've read enough scouting reports on this kid where i don't allow one to make me go go-go ga-ga over the guy. Sorry I don't put my homer classes on for prospects that are all hype.
Wow, I don't know where to start here. Felix Jones is the safest RB in the draft, IMHO. This is a guy who gives 100% and will glady do anything that is asked of him and never complain about the touches he gets. Not to mention, his vision and feel are second to none. There is a reason that our scouts had this to say about Felix Jones "when he's 10 yards away from the safety is when he starts planning how he's going to beat his man-- he doesn't wait until the safety is right on top of him to then figure out how to get around him.". The back with the biggest bust factor to me is Rashard Mendenhall. He has stiff hips, not to mention he has a questionable work ethic when not handed the job and there are also questions about his toughness. And those observations are not coming from me but NFL scouts, take a look:
The safest RB pick in the draft was Darren Mcfadden Felix Jones is either boom or bust. Questions about Mendenhall toughness when i've seen him continuely run through players oh his mental toughness that why we didn't pick him. How that is drawing comparison to Reggie Bush the safest prospect in the draft he is Reggie Bush w/o the hands.
3. RASHARD MENDENHALL, Illinois (5-10, 225, 4.42, 1) - Third-year junior didn't start until '07, when he gained 1,681 yards and was Big Ten offensive player of the year. "He's going to be a really, really good back," Buffalo VP of college scouting Tom Modrak said. "He's big, you don't catch him, he makes people miss." Straight-line style somewhat reminiscent of Herschel Walker.
"He can't break down, cut and change direction," one scout said. "I was surprised how stiff he was. He takes a beating because he can't avoid people." Graduated from Niles West in Skokie, Ill., and scored 23 on the Wonderlic. "I think when adversity strikes he may fold tent," another scout said. "I don't see grinder mentality with him. I see analytical." Said a third scout: "I just don't know how he's wired. I don't know how competitive he is. I don't know how much he wants to take the beatin' he's going to take."
I've read all this stuff before.
As for Felix Jones, here is a quote from Bill Polian, one of the most respected minds in all the NFL. If Felix Jones played for West Virginia," said Polian, "you'd be talking about him in the same breath as Mendenhall and Stewart. He only suffers by comparison to the guy he's playing with."
Felix Jones isn't better than Steve Slaton.
You have no idea what you are talking about, if you think that if we would have drafted Mike Jenkins at #22 he would have made it to us at #38. Heck, there was ZERO chance of us getting either Mendenhall or Felix Jones had we taken Jenkins at #22. Felix Jones was the guy that the Titans were eyeing and desperately wanted, neither Pittsburgh or Tennessee would have been willing to trade their picks and would have gone Mendenhall and Jones respectively. Actually Jerry was not quick and impulsive to take Felix Jones. He actually have Mike Jenkins name written down on the card and was about to turn it in, before thinking about who the teams behind were going to take. It was then that he realized that if he took Jenkins he wouldn't be able to get either Mendenhall OR Felix Jones, but if he took Jenkins that he had a good chance to move back up in the draft to get Mike Jenkins.
Jones would have still be then I think CJ was the Titans man the whole time.
You could not be more wrong about Martellus Bennett. Bennett is a great recieving threat that has super soft hands, and can and has lined up split out wide in the slot. He is also a dominating blocker who absolutely LOVES to block. While he needs work on his blocking technique, there is no questioning his intensity or toughness as a blocker. The difference between James Hardy and Martellus Bennett, besides the fact that Hardy wasn't even around when we picked in round 2 is that Hardy is a 6'6" WR with questionable hands and a WR that does NOT use his height to his advantage. Michael Bennett is a 6'7" TE who has great hands and can jump out of a building and doesn't lose jump ball situations.
Did you not read the reports that Jerry wanted to trade up 20 spots to get this guy. Jerry was salivating all over this guy. We could have made the trade up for Hardy which would have been better than a 2nd TE who isn't going to be anything more than what Fasano was.
Well, I have to give you some credit, this is the ONLY profile that you seem to have any clue what so ever about what you are talking about. Although you only got this one have right, but atleast it is a start. Choice is one of the best picks of the draft value wise. But, if you think the Choice is going to beat out Felix Jones, you have lost your mind.
He will Choice is going to shock a lot of people. "America's Choice"
Since you admit to knowing nothing about the guy, lets me give you some information on him. You are right, he is a kid that has 4.3 speed. But he can also return kicks and was viewed as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect going into the draft.
Viewed as a 2nd or 3rd round prospect where out of the #CB what was he ranked if he wasn't in the top 20 then he wasn't a 2nd or 3rd round prospect.
Actually, we only have 3 OLB's on the team right now. Adding a 4th is actually a very solid idea. As for not knowing anything about the pick, you should know that he had 11.5 sacks his junior year, and while he only had two sacks his Senior year, that is because he was playing with a bad case of turf toe all year. So he is obviously very tough and is very quick off the LOS and is very athletic. He is also a very good special teams player.
Justin Rogers is also on the team he doesn't have huge stats but he had 18 tackles the same amount as BCarp. This guy is just a developmental player who will play ST for us until his contract runs out nothing going to change.
Maybe next time before you start grading the draft picks, maybe just maybe you should actually try knowing what you are talking about.
In case you can not count, we HAD to have two RB's in this draft, we only have 1 RB under contract right now in Marion Barber and he will be a FA after next year.
Your right 2 RB's was something we needed but we didn't get a RB in the pick that was Felix Jones we got a KR and a guy that can make you miss in the open space Catching ability suspect pass blocking even more suspect.
Also we needed to draft two CB's in this draft. We have no idea if Pacman will get reinstated, and we lost two CB's to FA. So unless we wanted to chance going into the year with only 4 CB's on our roster, we HAD to draft two CB's this year.
Well i'm not sold on 2 cb's being the need. Even if we don't have Srandrick we would still be set with or w.o Pacman. With Pacman our CB's would all be pushed down a spot so our 1st round pick will be number 4 on the depth chart.
And finally if you really think that Choice and Jenkins are the only two that will be on the roster three years from now, oh how little you actually know about the players we drafted, and how little you know about what you are talking about. You can count on Felix Jones and Michael Bennett not only being on the roster but being MAJOR contributers three years from now.
Yea your right it does normally take longer than 3 years for us to get rid of some of crap draft picks. Spears is still on the roster somehow and BCarp is still here. As far as Felix and Bennet being major contributer i would have to disagree Bennett playing being one of if not the best TE in the NFL. Felix isn't going to be Devin Hester in the return department.
