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Not that I love Bosa at 4, but if we take him, we would be able to draft BPA in second and third rounds rather than being locked in to a DE. If we take Jack, we almost certainly have to pick a DE in the second because there will not be real first-year contributors in later rounds. That would preclude picking Lynch or a top CB if they slide.
 

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I'm not in love with Bosa or Buckner at #4. But there is a need for DE. And yes it would open up the rest of the draft to draft based on BPA.

I just hope we don't draft off need and take Bosa at 4. There will be better players who will make a greater impact at 4.
 

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What's all the Bosa hate? I just don't get it. He is one player that is consistently rated at the top of the draft. If a year ago I told you we can get Bosa I think most would be jumping for joy. IMO, this is a case of analysis paralysis.

What's wrong with taking a great football player who has produced at high level every year he's played and learned to play even when opponents game plan against him. Isn't that what a high first rounder should do?
 

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Why do people assume we *have* to fill all needs on the team in one offseason. I'd love to win the SB this year, but it's much better to take a long term approach and draft the best talent. Not reaching for a DE and having a hole there, but having superior talent else where could actually be better long term, because a better DE could fall in our laps later.
 

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I'm not in love with Bosa or Buckner at #4. But there is a need for DE. And yes it would open up the rest of the draft to draft based on BPA.

I just hope we don't draft off need and take Bosa at 4. There will be better players who will make a greater impact at 4.

He's not only a need but also a top talent by most. He may well be BPA. He is probably also one of the most NFL ready players who WILL make an impact. I rather a DL making impact as it will help the back end instantly.
 

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Every time I see an interview with Bosa he scares the hell out of me he looks and sounds like Sean Penn in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. In every interview the guy sounds stoned. The fact that he tested positive for pot has got to make the Cowboys nervous. This looks like a "before" pic of Bosa.

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So the strategy would be to lock ourselves into a defensive end with the fourth overall pick so we won't have to lock ourselves into a defensive end in the second or third round?

No, Bosa is consensus top 5 player in this draft. So we would be drafting BPA at 4, or very close to it, if we choose Bosa over a slightly-higher rated Jack.
 

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Every time I see an interview with Bosa he scares the hell out of me he looks and sounds like Sean Penn in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. In every interview the guy sounds stoned. The fact that he tested positive for pot has got to make the Cowboys nervous. This looks like a "before" pic of Bosa.

FastTimes_103Pyxurz.jpg

LOL!!!
 
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Why do people assume we *have* to fill all needs on the team in one offseason. I'd love to win the SB this year, but it's much better to take a long term approach and draft the best talent. Not reaching for a DE and having a hole there, but having superior talent else where could actually be better long term, because a better DE could fall in our laps later.

Because we failed to address the need for DE (and CB) in free agency and pass rush was our most glaring weakness. While I agree with you that we should take a long term approach in draft (and I would take a QB), the FO does not seem to agree and wants to maximize Romo's 3-4 year "window." If that's the case, you take Bosa because he fills a glaring need and is close to, if not, the BPA. I don't think there is any "better DE" that will fall into our laps later. Not the strength of this draft. And certainly not one that will make an impact this year...
 

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What's all the Bosa hate? I just don't get it. He is one player that is consistently rated at the top of the draft. If a year ago I told you we can get Bosa I think most would be jumping for joy. IMO, this is a case of analysis paralysis.

What's wrong with taking a great football player who has produced at high level every year he's played and learned to play even when opponents game plan against him. Isn't that what a high first rounder should do?

I don't really get it, either. I think people hear that he's maximized his potential and therefor think he doesn't have a chance to become a legitimate superstar at the pro level. Whereas with physical freaks like Ramsey you can get guys who ramp up considerably after the draft.

I'd rather have the QB or Ramsey than Bosa, but I agree with you that he's a pretty dang good consolation prize at a position of glaring need.
 

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I don't really get it, either. I think people hear that he's maximized his potential and therefor think he doesn't have a chance to become a legitimate superstar at the pro level. Whereas with physical freaks like Ramsey you can get guys who ramp up considerably after the draft.

I'd rather have the QB or Ramsey than Bosa, but I agree with you that he's a pretty dang good consolation prize at a position of glaring need.

I do disagree with you about Ramsey over Bosa. Just my own opinion of course. I rather have Bosa or Jack over Ramsey. I think QB would be good too but I keep flipping back and forth about it. To me any top player playing closer to the line on D can make more of an impact. So Bosa I hope can be a Allen or Strahan type for us. Jack even though I love I worry that our DC don't know how to use him effectively. Jack's strength is that he has a LB body and can play like a CB/S. So you need to move him all over like Troy P in Pitt. I think Jack can be better than Troy but need someone who can put him in that position.

Ramsey I worry about the most among the three we are discussing. He plays furthest from the LOS. He's just not the best pure CB in this draft and if that's our intention then that's a big mistake. He maybe the best S but again my argument about closer to LOS impact. Furthermore, I don't think we need to devote two 1st rounders to the S position. I believe we can find a S in the 2nd or 3rd that can complement Jones.
 

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I don't really get it, either. I think people hear that he's maximized his potential and therefor think he doesn't have a chance to become a legitimate superstar at the pro level. Whereas with physical freaks like Ramsey you can get guys who ramp up considerably after the draft.

I'd rather have the QB or Ramsey than Bosa, but I agree with you that he's a pretty dang good consolation prize at a position of glaring need.

I think Bosa a terrific strong-side DE prospect.

On the weakside you could have Lawrence/Gregory/the kid they just signed from Oakland.

The team needs a SS DE and he would fit the bill quite nicely.
 

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So the strategy would be to lock ourselves into a defensive end with the fourth overall pick so we won't have to lock ourselves into a defensive end in the second or third round?

I was thinking the same thing. Lock early or lock late what's the difference. Despite the need for DE I have no interest in Bosa at all. I'm all about QB and the future. Worst case I can live with Zeke at 4 and go back to pounding the ball like we did with Murray. I mean think about it...even if we draft a DE we are not changing our D Line issues overnight here. Go back to running the ball, Romo efficiency and keeping our D off the field until we can properly build and address that Dline in the next year or two. By then, hopefully, it is squared away and established so now you hand the keys to the car to the QB you drafted this year and a supporting run game. Now that green QB can lean on the run game and the Dline that has been built.
 

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I do disagree with you about Ramsey over Bosa. Just my own opinion of course. I rather have Bosa or Jack over Ramsey. I think QB would be good too but I keep flipping back and forth about it. To me any top player playing closer to the line on D can make more of an impact. So Bosa I hope can be a Allen or Strahan type for us. Jack even though I love I worry that our DC don't know how to use him effectively. Jack's strength is that he has a LB body and can play like a CB/S. So you need to move him all over like Troy P in Pitt. I think Jack can be better than Troy but need someone who can put him in that position.

Ramsey I worry about the most among the three we are discussing. He plays furthest from the LOS. He's just not the best pure CB in this draft and if that's our intention then that's a big mistake. He maybe the best S but again my argument about closer to LOS impact. Furthermore, I don't think we need to devote two 1st rounders to the S position. I believe we can find a S in the 2nd or 3rd that can complement Jones.

It all depends how you have Ramsey evaluated. I think he plays either CB or S at a high level for you. He's a physical player and by all reports a good kid and plays another position of significant need. And he's got upside and no off-field concerns.

But at #4, we're just talking flavor because we're primarily looking at the best players in any position group up this high. I'd be happy with any of the options that are going to be available, honestly.
 
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