Drew Bledsoe's 2nd half season stats from 1999-2005

[TruBlueCowboy]

My dad always told me that potential just means that you haven't done crap yet! (substitute the S word here)

What I'm trying to say is that there is no need for Romo to be thrown out there when we have such an experienced QB available to us. This is THE YEAR for us to make a run... and you're wanting to hinder that progress by starting a "ROOKIE" QB instead of a 12+ year veteran who has only ever seen bench time behind the great Tom Brady.

You also better factor in the TO equation as well. You want TO to devour Romo?

I agree and I don't think Bill will make the decision because of the uncertainties. I just wonder how much of a drop-off it really is going from Bledsoe to Romo.

 

[gbrittain]

Well.. Do you think its easy to be a QB when your leading rusher has only 540 yards? Would it not be easier to breathe if you had someone as a threat in the backfield?

Heck.. The Pats won like 7 games ( including playoffs ) where Brady had 0 TDs or more INTs than TDs in 2001. That says exactly how much Brady meant that year.. not much if anything.

Brady has progressed more than anyone thought he would since then however.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Brady has been phenomenal since he has been a starter in the NFL. He is probably already sealed himself a spot in Canton.

Antowain Smith is a dude and nothing more.

 

[JMead]

Wow.

Think outside the Buffalo box much?

Its a good comparison is it not?

Reich was wanted as the starter in Buffalo after the Comeback.

Romo and Holcomb are just about the same person. Both throw short quick passes but you cant expect either of them you carry you when the defense faulters. Romo played an entire preseason game and only put up 13 points against a zombie zone defense.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Again you are clueless. Stop trying to analyze statistics. Your inept.

Its a ratio. You increase the number of attempts he got in the redzone and its still going to only increase the multiplier.

And actually Aikmans numbers represent a large sample size.

Its not as if if they just never ran it in the red zone Aikman would never throw a pick.

If the Cowboys didn't have an effective running game, and Aikman to Irvin, Novacek and Harper was the focus, he would have easily thrown for 30 TDs, 4000 yards a season. I think most Cowboys fans realize this.

 

[Hostile]

Its a good comparison is it not?

Reich was wanted as the starter in Buffalo after the Comeback.

Romo and Holcomb are just about the same person. Both throw short quick passes but you cant expect either of them you carry you when the defense faulters. Romo played an entire preseason game and only put up 13 points against a zombie zone defense.

First of all thank you for not getting insulted. Been a rare thing with you Buffalo guys.

Yes, it is a pretty fair comparison in my mind.............so far. That could change if he performs, but all we've ever seen is pre-season and I don't put much stock in that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the Cowboys didn't have an effective running game, and Aikman to Irvin, Novacek and Harper was the focus, he would have easily thrown for 30 TDs, 4000 yards a season. I think most Cowboys fans realize this.

Im not arguing the totals would increase.

He would also throw more picks and thus the ratio offers a great baseline for comparison.

 

[JMead]

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Brady has been phenomenal since he has been a starter in the NFL. He is probably already sealed himself a spot in Canton.

Antowain Smith is a dude and nothing more.

Take a look at the games where Smith ran well and see if they won or not. I am not saying Smith is a great RB. In fact 01 is probably his best season ( averaged 4 yards a carry I think ). Not saying Brady didnt mean nothing jsut saying he meant little when it came down to Smith more than doubling the previous years leading rusher and the defense getting turnovers like crazy.

Edit : The Pats defense jumped 11 spots from the previous year in points Allowed which in turn gave the offense more chances and shorter fields.

 

[TEK2000]

Im not arguing the totals would increase.

He would also throw more picks and thus the ratio offers a great baseline for comparison.

Exactly!

 

[tunahelper]

He was also playing in cold weather stadiums.
So I wonder if NE & Buffalo's climate aids great passing stats?
HMMMMMMMMMM?

 

[kartr]

The leading rusher for the Pats in 2000 had 540 yards while in 2001 the leading rusher have 1200 or something. 2000 was also BBs first year with them and he was trying to fix the mess Pete Carrol left behind.

Also look at 2001. Brady wasnt that great throwing for only 2800 yards in 15 games with 18 TDs and 12 INTs. He also only had 1 TD pass in the playoffs with it coming in the SB.

Just to correct something. The Bills finished the season 6-2 in 04 after starting out 0-4.

Go back further too if you want. In 93 the Pats finished 4-4 / in 94 they finished 7-1 / 95 they finished 4-4 / 96 they finished 6-2 / 97 they finished 5-3 / 98 they finished 4-4.

Bledsoe also played in the AFC East when it was the best division in the NFL. The Brady lead pats have played in a very weak AFC East.

In 2004 when the Bills went 6-2 in the second half of the season, all of their wins were against cellar dwellers. The Bills could have made the playoffs with a win against Pittsburgh and the backups, but Bledsoe screwed that up with a very poor performance despite the fact that Magahee ran for 80 yards and 2 tds. Why do you think the Bills let him go? They obviously didn't think he was the reason that they went 6-2 in that span.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In 2004 when the Bills went 6-2 in the second half of the season, all of their wins were against cellar dwellers. The Bills could have made the playoffs with a win against Pittsburgh and the backups, but Bledsoe screwed that up with a very poor performance despite the fact that Magahee ran for 80 yards and 2 tds. Why do you think the Bills let him go? They obviously didn't think he was the reason that they went 6-2 in that span.

Yeah the Bills have been really really good at evaluating talent the last few years.

 

[JMead]

In 2004 when the Bills went 6-2 in the second half of the season, all of their wins were against cellar dwellers. The Bills could have made the playoffs with a win against Pittsburgh and the backups, but Bledsoe screwed that up with a very poor performance despite the fact that Magahee ran for 80 yards and 2 tds. Why do you think the Bills let him go? They obviously didn't think he was the reason that they went 6-2 in that span.

I never said Bledsoe was the reason they went 6-2. But to say the sole reason the Bills lost to the Steelers is about as idiotic as someone giving all the credit to Bledsoe for the 6-2 finish. The defense played just a big of a part in that loss as the offense did. Alot of people dont remember that Rian Lindell shanked a short FG ( was like 24 yards or something ) that sucked all the momentum the Bills had ( they were leading at the time of the miss ). Then the defense proceeds to give up a 9 minute drive to 3rd stringers in the 4th Q to pretty much seal the deal.

 

[JMead]

Yeah the Bills have been really really good at evaluating talent the last few years.

Not really. The best players on that defense were from other teams or veterans.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not really. The best players on that defense were from other teams or veterans.

Im just kidding bro. There needs to be a font for sarcasm. The Bills front office is notoriously bad.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You can do the math yourself and multiply each stat by 2 to see what it would have averaged out for the entire season.

1999 Patriots 2-6

1,671 yards, 6 TD, 17 INT, 141 COMP, 268 ATT, 52.6 COMP%, 52.94 QB Rating

2000 Patriots 3-5

1,643 yards, 7 TD, 7 INT, 152 COMP, 262 ATT, 58.0 COMP%, 74.33 QB Rating

2001 Patriots n/a

did not play

2002 Bills 3-5

1,859 yards, 8 TD, 10 INT, 172 COMP, 292 ATT, 58.9 COMP%, 72.56 QB Rating

2003 Bills 2-6

1,112 yards, 5 TD, 4 INT, 116 COMP, 215 ATT, 53.9 COMP%, 68.59 QB Rating

2004 Bills 2-6

1,457 yards, 11 TD, 9 INT, 131 COMP, 229 ATT, 57.2 COMP%, 75.90 QB Rating

2005 Cowboys 4-4

1,620 yards, 10 TD, 11 INT, 144 COMP, 255 ATT, 56.5 COMP%, 70.71 QB Rating

Not exactly the stats of a spectacular QB, are they? Makes you wonder why so many people defend Bledsoe until death when confronted with the Romo challenge.

Here's some more second half stats for you:

1,524 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT, 139 COMP, 213 ATT, 65.2 COMP%, 83.15 QB Rating

pretty similar numbers, much better accuracy, here's the big difference though

7-1

It was Tom Brady's year that he replaced Drew Bledsoe in 2001.

Some fellas just have that sixth sense to play QB. You've all seen Romo in the pocket. He has it. He may not have the arm strength of Bledsoe but Brady didn't either.

If Bill make the switch, it needs to be soon. Let Romo have most of his growing pains early while the defense is so strong and other offenses are struggling. If he really is the next starter for Dallas, he should be ready to roll in the second half, albeit with a more limited offense. (Don't sell him short though, he may not have regular season experience but he's been on this team for a while. This won't be like playing a rookie.)

You are right re the numbers, but even those numbers are better than Romo's who is

0-0 and 0 for 0 passes for 0 yards and a 0 QB rating.

 

[Zaxor]

as most of you all know....there probably isn't a bigger Bledsoe critic than me on this board though there are some that are my equal (Hi Mike )

but even I would preach a bit of caution going with Romo... I have not seen him take one meaningful snap in a meaningful game yet and neither has anybody else...

so those that want Romo can you honestly answer the following questions...

Can he take 3 or 4 shots and still be effective?

Is he capable of reading NFL defenses (not vanilla)?

and if he can read them does he have enough arm strength to take advantage of them? Can he stretch the defense?

I think there are far more questions than answers on Romo...

Maybe it would be better to give him a series a game and see how that goes first...just my $.02

 

[Cowchips]

I
Romo is the first backup I've seen who leads me to believe he could succeed as a long-term starter. You should be excited too! The kid has more natural instincts at QB than anyone we've fielded since Aikman.

As long as we can convince the other teams to play their 2nd stringers and use vanilla defenses, like they do in the first preseason game, I want Romo too If other teams will be game planning and using their 1st string defense, give me Bledsoe.

BTW, Buffalo is REALLY glad they let Bledsoe go!! 9-7 and building toward the playoffs with him. 5-11 and considered the doormat of the league without him.

 

[Cowchips]

I never said Bledsoe was the reason they went 6-2. But to say the sole reason the Bills lost to the Steelers is about as idiotic as someone giving all the credit to Bledsoe for the 6-2 finish. The defense played just a big of a part in that loss as the offense did. Alot of people dont remember that Rian Lindell shanked a short FG ( was like 24 yards or something ) that sucked all the momentum the Bills had ( they were leading at the time of the miss ). Then the defense proceeds to give up a 9 minute drive to 3rd stringers in the 4th Q to pretty much seal the deal.

And don't forget some of the games before that. Miami, for example became a shoot out with Bledsoe saving the D's bacon after they let Miami score 30 points.

Bledsoe can manage a game (like it's suggested Romo can without any real evidence) but he also gives the added dimension of being able to score from anywhere on the field, which we all know Romo can't do.

 

[ravidubey]

You can do the math yourself and multiply each stat by 2 to see what it would have averaged out for the entire season.

1999 Patriots 2-6

1,671 yards, 6 TD, 17 INT, 141 COMP, 268 ATT, 52.6 COMP%, 52.94 QB Rating

2000 Patriots 3-5

1,643 yards, 7 TD, 7 INT, 152 COMP, 262 ATT, 58.0 COMP%, 74.33 QB Rating

2001 Patriots n/a

did not play

2002 Bills 3-5

1,859 yards, 8 TD, 10 INT, 172 COMP, 292 ATT, 58.9 COMP%, 72.56 QB Rating

2003 Bills 2-6

1,112 yards, 5 TD, 4 INT, 116 COMP, 215 ATT, 53.9 COMP%, 68.59 QB Rating

2004 Bills 2-6

1,457 yards, 11 TD, 9 INT, 131 COMP, 229 ATT, 57.2 COMP%, 75.90 QB Rating

2005 Cowboys 4-4

1,620 yards, 10 TD, 11 INT, 144 COMP, 255 ATT, 56.5 COMP%, 70.71 QB Rating

Not exactly the stats of a spectacular QB, are they? Makes you wonder why so many people defend Bledsoe until death when confronted with the Romo challenge.

Here's some more second half stats for you:

1,524 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT, 139 COMP, 213 ATT, 65.2 COMP%, 83.15 QB Rating

pretty similar numbers, much better accuracy, here's the big difference though

This is total BS.

The Pats shortened up the pass patterns with Brady in order to help both him and his linemen. They slowed the game down to give themselves a chance to win in the 4th quarter. Bledsoe makes bigger plays, which suits the personnel we have in place now.

In the first half of those seasons, Drew often lit up the field. In the second half, defenses adjusted. In each season, Bledsoe's team had an OC who did not change things up, an offensive line that broke down, or a running game which could not respond to ease pressure.

The QB can't do it all alone, he needs the help of the team around him. The only two good teams in your entire list, the 2004 Bills and 2005 Cowboys, had OL's that faded miserably down the stretch.

Those were bad teams and games you never saw. I watched Bledsoe in the late 1990's engineer comebacks with a broken finger on his throwing hand in crappy weather in a crappy stadium on a team with no running back, sorry receivers, a bad defense, and a college coach on the sidelines. Bledsoe was the only positive on that team, and he managed to make things happen.

When Romo does that against anything resembling a real NFL defense, call me.

 

[gbrittain]

as most of you all know....there probably isn't a bigger Bledsoe critic than me on this board though there are some that are my equal (Hi Mike )

but even I would preach a bit of caution going with Romo... I have not seen him take one meaningful snap in a meaningful game yet and neither has anybody else...

so those that want Romo can you honestly answer the following questions...

Can he take 3 or 4 shots and still be effective?

Is he capable of reading NFL defenses (not vanilla)?

and if he can read them does he have enough arm strength to take advantage of them? Can he stretch the defense?

I think there are far more questions than answers on Romo...

Maybe it would be better to give him a series a game and see how that goes first...just my $.02

I echo your sentiments. I am not the biggest believer in Drew Bledsoe, but I am much more skeptical of Tony Romo.

I still have serious reservations about Romo and wether he has the physical tools to excel at this lever. I do feel comfortable knowing Romo could "man the ship" a game or two if Bledsoe goes down though.