Drew Brees and Tony Romo comparison

[RastaRocket]

Well for one, Tony is the better QB of the two.

C'mon man!

I've always been a huge fan of Romo and still am but that is crazy talk.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_single_season.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_single_season.htm

30+ TD's the last 6 seasons and 5000+ yds in 3 of those... With a ring.

 

[George]

I've heard constantly about how Romo should be able to carry this team if he were truly an elite QB, but is that really a realistic expectation for our QB? People say he's not elite and not in the same category as Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees. So why do those same people expect him to be able to do something those other guys can't, especially if those guys are considered better? Romo doesn't have anywhere near the supporting cast as those other guys, yet he's expected to do just as much if not more.

The year one of those elite QBs did have a supporting cast similar to Romo's, he finished with a terrible record missing the playoffs, yet he still performed at a high level. And the QB I'm talking about is no scrub, he's widely considered as the 4th best QB and that QB is Drew Brees. Even elite QBs can't win when their surrounding players are atrocious, regardless if they're playing well or not. So again I ask, why is Romo expected to do something even the best QBs in the NFL can't accomplish?

So let's take this to another level and compare the 2012 New Orleans Saints to the 2013 Dallas Cowboys. Both teams didn't/don't have a HC, both teams had/have one of the worst defenses in NFL history, and both teams have franchise QBs. Now lets dig deeper and look at how they stack up in comparison to one another.

(Defensive Stats) 2013 Dallas Cowboys (Projected Stats) ///// 2012 New Orleans Saints

PPG - 26.8 ///// 28.4
Yards/Season - 6829 ///// 7042
Passing Yards/Game - 299 ///// 293
Passing TDs/Game - 2.0 ///// 1.9
Passing First Downs/Game - 14.8 ///// 14.8
Passing Yards/Attempt - 7.4 ///// 7.8
Take Aways - 30 ///// 26
Defensive Passer Rating - 95.1 ///// 93.8

(Offensive Stats) 2013 Tony Romo (Projected Stats) ///// 2012 Drew Brees

CMP% - 64.3 ///// 63
Yards - 3,993 ///// 5,177
Y/A - 7.1 ///// 7.7
TDs - 34 ///// 43
INTs - 9 ///// 19
QBRating - 98.3 ///// 96.3

(Record) 2013 Dallas Cowboys ///// 2012 New Orleans Saints

Dallas Cowboys Record - 7-6
New Orleans Saints Record - 7-9

As you can see from the above statistics, the 2012 New Orleans Saints and the 2013 Dallas Cowboys are very similar teams. Even with Drew Brees at the helm for the 2012 Saints, they still only managed to pull out 7 wins despite their QB playing some darn good football. So if the Drew Brees could only lead the Saints to 7 wins in the same situation Romo is in now, how in the heck do you realistically expect Romo to lead us into the playoffs? Also, just because he's making 100 million doesn't mean he should have to overcome one of the worst defenses in NFL history, especially since a future HoFer in Drew Brees couldn't even do it. And let's not act like our defense doesn't get paid either, because this year alone they're taking up 50 million in salary cap space which is just as much as the offense.

And to end this post, I'll ask this question again for the millionth time. How can someone realistically expect Romo to carry this team to the playoffs, when even Drew Brees couldn't even do it under the same circumstances?

/End Rant

Please. We are 5-20 against teams .500 or better since 2011. Please. Romo is not the answer.

 

[bigdnlaca]

What really irks me is that BP had an opportunity to snag Brees as a FA but decided to stick with Bleedslow instead.

That was our 2nd blown opportunity to snag Brees. We could have gotten him with a mid or late 1st rounder had we not given our top pick to Seattle for Gagaway.

It's easy to say that now, but @ that time, who would of predicted Brees was going to be this great of a qb under Martyball. He was coming off of a sholder injury and was just a good qb.

 

[SDCowboy]

Great post. Romo is on pace for his best season ever this season.

 

[Future]

C'mon man!

I've always been a huge fan of Romo and still am but that is crazy talk.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_single_season.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_single_season.htm

And Case Keenum is the all time leader in yards and TDs in college football. Is he the best college QB of all time?

I know most won't agree with me, but Romo > Brees and I dont think its even close.

The guy threw for 1000 yards to RBs for crying out loud, has the chuck and pray in the playbook because of Jimmy Graham and Colston, and he throws the ball 40 times per game.

Romo's career YPA, despite playing with a terrible Oline is 7.8.
Brees' is just 7.5.

Romo TD/INT ratio = 2.4
Brees = 2.33

 

[RastaRocket]

And Case Keenum is the all time leader in yards and TDs in college football. Is he the best college QB of all time?

I know most won't agree with me, but Romo > Brees and I dont think its even close.

The guy threw for 1000 yards to RBs for crying out loud, has the chuck and pray in the playbook because of Jimmy Graham and Colston, and he throws the ball 40 times per game.

Romo's career YPA, despite playing with a terrible Oline is 7.8.
Brees' is just 7.5.

Romo TD/INT ratio = 2.4
Brees = 2.33

Case Keenum != Drew Brees

And now Colston is some kind of chuck and pray player? What does that make Dez Bryant, Terrell Owens, or Jason Witten?

Colston came to that team fresh off the street. He was driving a beer truck I believe before he was catching balls for Brees. And your going to argue a difference of 2.4-2.33 = .07 for a TD ratio when the guy is putting up 30+ TD's a year in his sleep? Brees eats up yards against opposing teams like very few players ever have.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Both are great qbs. But brees is one of the elite 3. He is more accurate and makes better decisions than romo and he also sees the field better. brees also isnt gun shy like romos became which is probably part of the offenses problem this year. Also doesnt hurt that brees easily has the most offensive talent around him in the league. Plus has a oc/hc that doesnt run a terrible vanilla offense.

 

[perrykemp]

I dont think its even close.

The guy threw for 1000 yards to RBs for crying out loud, has the chuck and pray in the playbook because of Jimmy Graham and Colston, and he throws the ball 40 times per game.

Don't the Cowboys have a sure-fire HOF tight-end in Witten and the 2nd best receiver in the league behind Megatron?

 

[RastaRocket]

Both are great qbs. But brees is one of the elite 3. He is more accurate and makes better decisions than romo and he also sees the field better. brees also isnt gun shy like romos became which is probably part of the offenses problem this year. Also doesnt hurt that brees easily has the most offensive talent around him in the league. Plus has a oc/hc that doesnt run a terrible vanilla offense.

Peyton has the best weapons around him. Brees has the best TE in the league, some good receivers but no elite receivers, and a running game by committee. Other than that I agree with you. Peyton/Brady/Rodgers/Brees is tier 1 of QB's in the league.

 

[Future]

Case Keenum != Drew Brees

And now Colston is some kind of chuck and pray player? What does that make Dez Bryant, Terrell Owens, or Jason Witten?

Colston came to that team fresh off the street. He was driving a beer truck I believe before he was catching balls for Brees. And your going to argue a difference of 2.4-2.33 = .07 for a TD ratio when the guy is putting up 30+ TD's a year in his sleep?

If you're going to say Brees is great b/c he has those records, then yea, its the exact same thing.

Dez is a chuck and pray guy in the red zone, but TO and Witten certainly never were. And Colston was drafted, albeit late.

And yes, I absolutely will make that argument. Its a big difference over the course of a few thousand passes. People say Tony is turnover prone and whatever, but Brees does it more often. Plus, Brees has thrown far more 4th quarter INTs than Romo in his career.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Peyton has the best weapons around him. Brees has the best TE in the league, some good receivers but no elite receivers, and a running game by committee. Other than that I agree with you. Peyton/Brady/Rodgers/Brees is tier 1 of QB's in the league.

Its close on the wr core. Kind of forget about denver wr lol

 

[Future]

Don't the Cowboys have a sure-fire HOF tight-end in Witten and the 2nd best receiver in the league behind Megatron?

Witten isn't a downfield threat anymore, and the scheme makes it too easy for defenses to take away Dez....not to mention the fact that Dez didn't even know the playbook until this year lol.

Plus, they were never played together in their prime.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

People are so foolish to get wrapped up in stats on individual players. If you want to focus on stats, Matthew Stafford is among the all time greats.

Romo isn't the terrible player a few portray him to be, but he's not at the same level as Brees, much less Manning, Rodgers, or Brady. It's foolish to pretend he is.

He is pretty clearly at the exact same level until people start to trot out their silly ring arguments. It's foolish to pretend otherwise. Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers and Romo have pretty much the exact same Career QB rating, which has nothing to do with accumulating totals.

 

[RastaRocket]

If you're going to say Brees is great b/c he has those records, then yea, its the exact same thing.

Dez is a chuck and pray guy in the red zone, but TO and Witten certainly never were. And Colston was drafted, albeit late.

And yes, I absolutely will make that argument. Its a big difference over the course of a few thousand passes. People say Tony is turnover prone and whatever, but Brees does it more often. Plus, Brees has thrown far more 4th quarter INTs than Romo in his career.

Colston was drafted, but he came back off the street to come play. TO had 10+ TD's every single year in Dallas and is the best receiver Romo has had thus far in his career. Witten definitely not a huge red zone guy but he's a better TE than 99% of QB's in the league have had. This is Brees 3rd season with Graham as a legit TE.

 

[RastaRocket]

He is pretty clearly at the exact same level until people start to trot out their silly ring arguments. It's foolish to pretend otherwise. Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers and Romo have pretty much the exact same Career QB rating, which has nothing to do with accumulating totals.

It's not even rings, it's the eyeball test. I've never seen Romo eat up teams as consistently as Brees does.

 

[Future]

Colston was drafted, but he came back off the street to come play. TO had 10+ TD's every single year in Dallas and is the best receiver Romo has had thus far in his career. Witten definitely not a huge red zone guy but he's a better TE than 99% of QB's in the league have had. This is Brees 3rd season with Graham as a legit TE.

The point is not whether or not TO is good, the point is, Brees can get away with bad throws and just chucking it into coverage with Colston and Graham. Tony hasn't had a guy who can do that, other than Dez....in fact, Tony's WRs have caused him to throw dozens of picks, rather than helped prevent them.

 

[RastaRocket]

The point is not whether or not TO is good, the point is, Brees can get away with bad throws and just chucking it into coverage with Colston and Graham. Tony hasn't had a guy who can do that, other than Dez....in fact, Tony's WRs have caused him to throw dozens of picks, rather than helped prevent them.

Umm... Terrell Owens. Also when I watch Brees I don't recall him just throwing jump balls all game long like Stafford. I see him blow the top off defenses, but guys are open. Maybe some double coverage to Graham, but that's no different than Dez, and I think you are overrating Colston. I'm sure Brees has thrown his fair share of miscommunication picks as well. Who hasn't?

 

[Future]

Umm... Terrell Owens. Also when I watch Brees I don't recall him just throwing jump balls all game long like Stafford. I see him blow the top off defenses, but guys are open. Maybe some double coverage to Graham, but that's no different than Dez. I'm sure Brees has thrown his fair share of miscommunication picks as well. Who hasn't?

What are you talking about with TO? He had terrible hands, and couldn't make plays on poorly thrown balls. He wasn't the same type of receiver as Colston or Graham at all.

 

[RastaRocket]

What are you talking about with TO? He had terrible hands, and couldn't make plays on poorly thrown balls. He wasn't the same type of receiver as Colston or Graham at all.

You mean the Terrell Owens who led the entire league in receiving touchdowns in 2006 for Romo and was #9 in yards? How about 2007? Yep, 3rd in the league in receiving touchdowns with 15 (2 more than 06') and #5 in yards. Lets not act like it was Romo who made TO a hall of fame receiver and one of the best of all time.

 

[TwoDeep3]

There is a distinct difference between expecting Romo to take dog crap and make a St. Bernard, and Romo functioning at his position to the ultimate he can be with the team that surrounds him.

I read most of the threads yesterday, and save for maybe less than a hand full of posts making ridiculous assumptions, most of the board was in agreement this last game, and the majority of this season do not rest on Romo.

At All.

Have there been times this season Romo spit the bit?

Surely. And it pisses people off when you bring up a critical interception against the Broncos.

But truthfully, except for perhaps possibly less than five posters on this board, Romo is considered near to or elite.

He surely is the reason this team wins, for the most part.

So I guess I don't understand why it seems every week there is a post like the anchor post here making comparisons to other quarterbacks in defense of something that is evident.

Questions:

Are you certain in your mind Romo is top six in the league at his position?

Are you certain Romo is the reason the offense works at all?

Are you certain that Romo is the reason the team wins?

Are you certain the December slide is at the feet of many other reasons and none of them have to do with Romo?

If you answer yes to those questions and are still rushing to his defense, then why are you worrying about what a few people say about him?

The press is wrong. They want stories that excite fans and bad press is as good as good press.

Fans of other teams will not give Romo any respect. Just look at this board and see how every quarterback since they invented the football that is not wearing the star is treated.

Some do it because of hate for Dallas. Some do it because of fear of Romo. Some do it because of envy of Romo.

And every time this franchise fails, Romo will be blamed by the press, the fanbase of other teams, and ignorant people.

So why do you give a flying frick?

The press is a bunch of instigators,

The fans of other teams are biased.

The ignorant can't help themselves because saying stupid shate is what they do.

So to quote Billary - What difference does it make now?