Drew Brees and Tony Romo comparison

[Future]

Are you purposely down-grading TO to prop up your argument that Brees has had better receivers?

Way to skip the part where I said he was a great receiver.

 

[khiladi]

Sean Payton loves himself some Romo.. He tried to get him when he bounced. If they got him, Romo would be on another planet right now, chucking balls twenty plus yards downfield without any fear of an INT.

 

[RastaRocket]

Way to skip the part where I said he was a great receiver.

So your point is he's a great receiver that makes it harder to play QB with than Marques Colston?

I may be slightly trolling you at this point, but c'mon man. TO was a playmaker, and playmakers make a QB's job easier. He could blow the top off of any defense, rack up the YAC, all that good stuff. He moved the ball and put up points despite drawing tons of attention from defenses.

 

[Future]

So he's a jump ball guy that gets in the end zone less than non jump ball guys, got it.

I never said Colston is better than TO, I said he is DIFFERENT.

Colston/Graham to Brees are what Plaxico and even David Tyree were to Eli. When the QB gets in trouble, he can just chuck it up to those guys and there's a good chance they're going to come down with it. Its the same with Marshall and Jeffery in Chicago. Does that mean that Plaxico was better than Steve Smith in Car or Jeffery is better than Welker? Absolutely not.

Did Eli make a great throw into triple coverage on Tyree's catch in the Super Bowl? No, but the guy made a great play to catch it.
Brady Made a decent throw to Welker that would have won the Super Bowl, but he couldn't make the tough catch on a ball that wasn't thrown perfectly.

That's the same as the difference between Colston and TO.

 

[Future]

So your point is he's a great receiver that makes it harder to play QB with than Marques Colston?

Thats such an exaggeration.

Let me make it simpler...if a guy is covered, who would you rather throw to...TO or Colston? I'm taking Colston every time.

 

[tyke1doe]

Way to skip the part where I said he was a great receiver.

First, I read all of your posts.
Second, saying he's a great receiver doesn't answer my question.
Third, let me put it another way ... Are you trying to down play the greatest of T.O. to prop up your point that Brees has better receivers?

 

[tyke1doe]

Thats such an exaggeration.

Let me make it simpler...if a guy is covered, who would you rather throw to...TO or Colston? I'm taking Colston every time.

You'd be in the minority. I think most people would say TO.

 

[RastaRocket]

Thats such an exaggeration.

Let me make it simpler...if a guy is covered, who would you rather throw to...TO or Colston? I'm taking Colston every time.

TO... Cause he has Colston's size, will catch the ball, and make a play. Colston would make a play, but TO would make a better play.

side note: I'd take Jeffrey over Welker to... guy is going to be a freak.

 

[Future]

First, I read all of your posts.
Second, saying he's a great receiver doesn't answer my question.
Third, let me put it another way ... Are you trying to down play the greatest of T.O. to prop up your point that Brees has better receivers?

What does that mean?

If you're asking me who I'd take in a fantasy draft, of course its TO. But if you're asking me who helps his QB more when a bad ball is thrown, its Colston.

TO was a catch and run WR, and he was probably the best to ever do it. But he was not a guy who could go up over DBs and make plays when he was covered. And even in his prime he always had the dropsies.

You'd be in the minority. I think most people would say TO.

3rd and goal at the 3, and you're running a fade. You're taking TO?

 

[TrailBlazer]

Plenty of people with football sense say it all the time. But maybe if you close your eyes and pretend it isn't true, it will come true. While you're at it, try to sneak in a thought of me winning the lottery.

Ha okay. No GM in the league would pick romo over Brees. Only on a cowboys fan board.

 

[tyke1doe]

I never said Colston is better than TO, I said he is DIFFERENT.

Colston/Graham to Brees are what Plaxico and even David Tyree were to Eli. When the QB gets in trouble, he can just chuck it up to those guys and there's a good chance they're going to come down with it. Its the same with Marshall and Jeffery in Chicago. Does that mean that Plaxico was better than Steve Smith in Car or Jeffery is better than Welker? Absolutely not.

Did Eli make a great throw into triple coverage on Tyree's catch in the Super Bowl? No, but the guy made a great play to catch it.
Brady Made a decent throw to Welker that would have won the Super Bowl, but he couldn't make the tough catch on a ball that wasn't thrown perfectly.

That's the same as the difference between Colston and TO.

But how often does that occur to support your point?
Offenses aren't dependent on chuck-and-hope throws. Rather, they're dependent on rhythm and timing.
The chuck-and-hope is kind of like the Hail Mary.
Why would you attempt to compare the jump ball and give it more weight than the rhythm passing game?

 

[burmafrd]

It's not even rings, it's the eyeball test. I've never seen Romo eat up teams as consistently as Brees does.

in other words do not confuse me with facts...

 

[RastaRocket]

in other words do not confuse me with facts...

What facts? The .07 TD/Int ratio difference, or the quarterback rating?

How about the yards, touchdowns, wins, records, etc... What facts would you like to hear? There are all kinds of facts (err... stats) that can be used here.

Man, I sound like I'm a Romo hater today. I'm the furthest thing from a Romo hater, just not a Romo homer.

 

[tyke1doe]

What does that mean?

If you're asking me who I'd take in a fantasy draft, of course its TO. But if you're asking me who helps his QB more when a bad ball is thrown, its Colston.

No, I'm asking you which player would you take as a real GM.
Second, even if we're talking fantasy, your point doesn't make much sense. If TO is the better fantasy player, that means he's producing more. If he's producing more, then he's helping his quarterback more. It doesn't make any difference whether it's a bad throw or a good throw.

TO was a catch and run WR, and he was probably the best to ever do it. But he was not a guy who could go up over DBs and make plays when he was covered. And even in his prime he always had the dropsies.

So? What does that have to do with jump balls?

3rd and goal at the 3, and you're running a fade. You're taking TO?

Yes.

 

[Future]

But how often does that occur to support your point?
Offenses aren't dependent on chuck-and-hope throws. Rather, they're dependent on rhythm and timing.
The chuck-and-hope is kind of like the Hail Mary.
Why would you attempt to compare the jump ball and give it more weight than the rhythm passing game?

I'm talking about a handful of instances per game, tops...the whole thing is being overblown anyways. A consistent passing game definitely is more dependent on timing and rhythm. But when plays break down, sometimes the chuck and pray happens. Brees has that option consistently.

 

[RastaRocket]

3rd and goal at the 3, and you're running a fade. You're taking TO?

Yep. What gives you the idea that Colston is a red zone machine?

 

[burmafrd]

What facts? The .07 TD/Int ratio difference, or the quarterback rating?

How about the yards, touchdowns, wins, records, etc... What facts would you like to hear? There are all kinds of facts (err... stats) that can be used here.

Man, I sound like I'm a Romo hater today. I'm the furthest thing from a Romo hater, just not a Romo homer.

only haters post what you did. Don't try and act like you are not. No one believes it.

 

[Future]

No, I'm asking you which player would you take as a real GM.
Second, even if we're talking fantasy, your point doesn't make much sense. If TO is the better fantasy player, that means he's producing more. If he's producing more, then he's helping his quarterback more. It doesn't make any difference whether it's a bad throw or a good throw.


So? What does that have to do with jump balls?

Yes.

I mean fantasy as in...if I were building a Madden franchise lol

Its much harder to go up and get the ball if you don't have good hands.

Well, agree to disagree then.

 

[burmafrd]

My opinion of the 2 QBs begins with some facts. And let me tell you that everytime I watch Brees play I am angered because he is what Romo should have been.

Brees and Romo are roughly the same age.
Brees and Romo are both undersized but both have good arm strength
Brees and Romo are both above average athletes.

There are 2 distinct differences between the two QB's.

1) Sean Payton is a vastly superior offensive coach than Jason Garrett. His system is proven, consistently excellent, and while it has been slowed down by some talented defensive teams- it has never been stopped. And: Sean Payton gives no quarter in his attack, and will dismantle a team and never let off the gas until the final whistle blows.

2) Tony Romo- while still a very good QB, has never had the drive of Brees. Once his quest to make the Cowboys roster, start, and star in the NFL was achieved, he got soft. Not once has Romo ever come in to TC in "makeover" mode. You can tell me his back was hurt etc., but has he ever shown a commitment to his natural athletic talents other than tweaking his delivery or grip? No sir. When Romo entered the league he was deadly as scrambling QB, and play action was his best friend.

Brees is impeccable shape, is still nimble with his footwork, and can't wait to step into his next 30 yard seam route, all the while taking mental note of where his other receivers were so he can go back to the play should it be covered once.

It's too late for Romo to be Brees. He can only hope for a system that fits his talents and an OLine to be high performing to win a Super Bowl.

Brees will be awesome for as long as he wants to be because it's clear he puts in the work. Not saying Romo doesn't, but his athletic ability is melting faster than soy milk in the hot sun. It's Romo's fault this has happened, and frankly it's a shame.

wow talk about someone really thinking they are the only ones with insight. So you know Tony Romo so well you know how dedicated he is.

Typical Hater BS.

 

[Future]

Yep. What gives you the idea that Colston is a red zone machine?

I never said he is. The fade is just an example of a jump ball.