CFZ DT Trysten Hill could surprise

[Typhus]

Well, some of his takes are patently absurd.

Wasnt making fun, just observing and responding.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's sad to see so many people demonizing others because they have a different opinion.

 

[Haimerej]

Wasnt making fun, just observing and responding.

I didn't take it that way.

I could see a few of those takes going one way or the other, but when I saw a playaction bootleg described as Hill flushing Garapolo to the right, I had to respond to the rest, too.

 

[Typhus]

It's sad to see so many people demonizing others because they have a different opinion.

I love this forum becuase of the open environment and different opinions.
Ive learned and actually changed my opinion on different subjects because of the different perspectives.
Those that limit their views also are limiting their abilities to gain knowledge as well.

 

[quickccc]

Okay this is getting silly. Not knowing the scheme leads to not knowing what the OL is trying to do which leads to getting blindsided a lot.

I'm not saying that the rookie should have been out there. They had no choice but he was woefully unprepared even for 20 snaps a game. I get that it is concerning but he's a rookie and I am very interested to see his development. Osa and Ridgeway much more so.

The other guys are all 3+ years in and they are very unlikely to improve their strength and athleticism or learn some new technique that is going to solve their issues. Gallimore is not likely going build an anchor or become explosive. Hill might get healthy and keep his head straight but I am not going to hold my breath. Watkins is grizzled at this point would love it if there was someone worth starting over him.

Ok then don't hold your breath ,.allow yourself to breathe and observe him on a full 17 game scale reg season. Then if he doesn't pan out and under performs, then he's left with
no excuses,.. no excuse for previous injuries .. no excuses for lack of game experience. .

Bohanna get bush wacked to the ground has nuthin to do with scheme and assignment,.. that's a player that's just getting his azz whipped to the ground,
on a series to series, game to game basis.
He's getting physically beaten to the ground every week, vs some average OL guys, and that has nuhtin to do with sub packages and hybrid schemes.

And as unimpressed as i was with Quinton, is it totally out of the question that he could be a totally different and vastly much better this summer, than what he was his rookie year ?
No .. it's actually not., offseason program, more peanut butter diet, and further working with coaches and a year experience going into his 2nd camp, has a possibility to
improve his stock .. just like several of you are saying about Trysten, i'm saying about Bohanna, ... let the games begin this summer, and we'll see how it pans out.

And what 3 years+ other guys are you talkin' about ?
Watkins and Hill are the only ones among the DTs that have " officially" 3 year marks, and Hill has missed half and half in 2020-2021 seasons and Marinelli had him benched
for very much of his rookie year.
.

 

[quickccc]

I think Hill’s ceiling is as a top rotation guy which is valuable. I don’t see him as a starter getting 60-70 snaps a game.

Maybe .. i actually think the starting ball role is more in Osa's hands than it is Gallimore and Hill, because not only did he contribute well in 1st half of the reg season, but
he's also more from the Quinn regime and DQ likely couldve had a helping hand in influencing Wil McClay into drafting Osa, ..

... With Osa also staying healthy and never missing a game his rookie, the great 17 game experience has did wonders for him than what it has for Gallimore and Hill
who have missed significant game time and experience because of injuries.

 

[Stash]

You seem happier than usual this offseason, Stash.

Thanks! I DO feel happy!

I hope you do too!

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You seem happier than usual this offseason, Stash.

Yeah, that's because he's hitting the stash.
@Stash spot.dot com

 

[Stash]

Yeah, that's because he's hitting the stash.
@Stash spot.dot com

 

[gimmesix]

What I still keep in mind is that Trysten is still somewhat short on experience.

Let’s rehash his experience.:
- Marinelli practically sat him out his rookie year. So that was a disruption to his learning experience.
- His 2nd year he went down early with that ACL – which he was flashing penetrating ability before injury.
- And this past year he was slow to recover from that ACL injury.
- If he has a relative solid year, he works himself for a long term contract, either here in Dallas or elsewhere in the NFL.

- Osa, even as a rookie, looks like he has a better knack for leverage
and getting off blocks than Gallimore.
I would guess that has a lot to do with his wrestling background.

- Unlike Gallimore who still plays too high out of his stance that negates leverage
and allows blockers to get into his chest,
Osa already has great flexibility and a great feel for shoulder-hand usage.
Who knows what he can be once he gains more play strength, muscle-bulk,
endurance and game experience.

- But Osa (especially at this stage) may not have Gallimore’s combination of power, bulk and pure athleticism.

- And speaking of Neville, this past very lengthy elbow injury was a huge setback in needed experience for him as well.
Like Trysten, he also didn’t make it back until about mid season.

- I think it was a reason why they didn’t draft a DT early rounds, particularly the 3 tech role.
They really want to give these 3 young guys a chance to develop and evaluate them accordingly.

I just haven't seen much when he plays to make me think he's more than a rotational DT in the league who isn't going to give you much as a pass rusher or run stopper. I hope he proves me wrong.

I agree that Odighizuwa knows better than both Hill and Gallimore how to maximize what he's got. The fact that he isn't freakily explosive or very big may always hold him back.'

Gallimore is interesting in that he seems to always be working to get bigger and stronger. If he could make better use of that and his speed, he could be tough to handle. But we need to see it coupled with good technique.

I would have kept looking at 3-tech because none of these guys have exactly shown that they are going to become what we need. It's such an important position from a pressure standpoint that you've got to keep trying to find the guy., not just hoping someone will develop into the guy.

We may not be able to find an Aaron Donald, because those guys are rare, but if we keep throwing darts at the board. I mean, the Falcons (under Quinn) found Grady Jarrett in the fifth round. (Jarrett's also a good example of what you're saying, though, since he didn't make a big impact until like his third or fourth year.)

 

[Ken]

Because I strive for accuracy in assessing these guys I went back and watched the game again..

I had to go back and watch this game again now. I admit, i probably exaggerated the "blown off the ball" aspect of the game for him. I went back and watched the Cards game maybe I confused my big game vs red teams at home, nope, wasn't there either. What was there was unremarkable play. For a guy who is supposed to be a 3 tech, yeah he can get penetration when they let him penetrate and he will also take himself right out of the play. When a guy like Osa penetrates, it is because he absolutely beats his man and then another man usually. Osa, more times than not, makes a play or significantly impacts it when he penetrates. Hill is the king of flailing at people as they run by him.

I will only comment on the plays where I disagree with your assesment in some way.

Snap 1: 12:25 Hill pushes the center 3 yards into the backfield but Osa, who was in at the 1 tech gets taken to the ground by #71 leaving a huge cutback hole for Mitchell which he exploits for 12 yards. Because Osa going to the ground allowed the guard to get to the linebackers and there was nobody home once Mitchell cuts back. Hill's penetration would have created a TFL or a short gain at worst if Odighi had stayed on his feet.

I think in an effort to make him look better than he is, you are characterizing Osa tripping, while also penetrating, as getting taken to the ground while Hill is penetrating for a TFL. This completely ignores that Hill had a chance to tackle the ball handler and only is able to tap him on the shoulder.

Snap 2: Pass WR screen left. Samuel takes the ball from the 20 to the 4. Osa and Kazee make the tackle.. Hill hustles down the field and almost gets in on the tackle.. As the backside DT..

I will say Hill always runs to the play, that is something I can't say for everyone. Usually it is without any positive effect though.

Snap 3: 8:36 1st and 10 at Dallas 47. Hill at the 1 tech. Run wide right away from him by Mitchell for 4.

Osa was in the 1 tech...head up over the center. Osa goes thru the block and gets in on the tackle while Hill is wrestling with the OL....

Snap 4: 8:04 2nd and 6 at the Dallas 43. Hill back at the 3. Handoff left side for 9. Hill is double teamed but gives no ground. Mitchell cuts left where the rest of the guys have vacated.

Hill wasn't double-teamed. Hill got blocked by the C as his G pulled and ran into the guy who was blocking Osa and Hill acted like he couldn't move. Osa was buddy blocked by the G and Tackle. The backers were both blocked because they pulled the FB and offside G thru the hole. This was a nothing play from Hill.

Snap 5: 7:30 1st and 10 at the Dallas 34. 3-4 look. Hill is the right side DE. Hill penetrates and almost makes the tackles in the backfield. The handoff is to the left but there is a huge cutback lane left because the backers overpursue. Mitchell gets 5.

Not a 3-4, was a 4 down lineman look with 2 real LBs and looks like a Safety playing another LB position.

Hill was in a 3 tech role here. Wasn't blocked but ran to the blocker and flailed his arms like he was blocked as the runner ran past him. Running theme with him is "almost".

Snap 6: 6:50 2nd and 5 at the Dallas 29. Throwback screen blown up for loss of 11.

Just a note...Osa is 3 yards away from the ball fighting thru the trash when the tackle is made...Hill is 2 yards off the LOS and about 11 yards from the tackle and it happened right in front of him.

Snap 7: 2:37 of the 1st. 49er ball at their own 22. Stretch play to the right. Hill and Tank on the T/E stunt blow the play up and combine for a 1 yard TFL.

Not a T/E stunt, just Dlaw beating 3 guys and picking the guy blocking Hill off. Hill makes a solid play.

Snap 8: 2 and 11. Run to 2 hole.. Hill stalemates his man forcing Mitchell to jump cut one gap outside. Unfortunately no backer fills that gap ( I think it was supposed to be LVE) and the result is a 5 yard gain.

He did a good job shocking the G and standing his gound. he guessed inside and the back went outside. He "almost" made the play. It looks to me that both DTs had 2 gap control on this play as they were both head up with the Guards. So technically, it is his fault.

3rd quarter

Snap 11: 1st and 10 at the 25. Pass .. Hill flushes Garapolo to his right.. pass incomplete.

I think you meant....went for the play fake to the right and then was seal blocked when Jimmy G rolls away....then it was incomplete with no effect from Hill at all.

4th quarter

Snap 13: 10:34 1st and 15 at the 39. Deebo run to the right. Hill stalemates his man forces cutback again. This time his teammates show up.. gain of 3.

I mean this is an interesting assesment from you on his play. I see this as a complete non factor and he gets blocked 6 yards from the LOS. Sure, initially he holds his ground but if he reads the G, it is pulling to the Left away from him. By the time he figures it out, he is being blocked down field 6 yards as the tackle is made. Then you see a guy like Osa taking on 2 and 3 blockers to make the play. Hill is just SUCH a JAG.

Snap 14: 2nd and 11 at the 43. Pass.. Hill penetrates, flushes Garapolo.. Jimmy G throws a lollipop on the run that gets picked off by Brown.

Again...optimistic assesment. Here is the good, he did draw a hold but he didn't have to do much to get it. This was your T/E loop and Hill had contain. He had absolutely 0 to do with Garropolo flushing...that was all Osa almost sacking him. Hill was doing his job keeping contain and then got his arm grabbed as he tried to run after Jimmy ran out of the pocket.

Snap 15: 5:37 1st and 10 at the 39. Inside run for 2 yards. Osa and Hill stalemate the offensive line.

I mean...initially did a good job of stalemating then got blocked 3 yards off the ball and piled onto the tackle. That play was all Osa... Seeing a theme here? Osa is a stud 3rd round pick in his 1st year and Hill is Mr. Almost 3rd round pick in his 3rd year...

Snap 16: 4:29 1st and 10 at the 42. Inside run left. Hill at the 1 tech now, submarines and blows up the play for no gain. Mitchell trips over him and the lineman.

I was going to give you grief over this one but solid play. Again, better play by Osa who had to come from the weakside thru a block to make the initial tackle but Hill was pancaked on the ground and he did trip him up.

 

[RonnieT24]

I always enjoy people getting specific. Only problem with that is long posts rarely get challenged. Needless to say, I have issues with some of your takes-



Yeah, that's a generous assessment of what happened. What I saw was a guy who isn't very stout using all his strength to try to shed, losing balance in doing so, and then watching the RB run right past him. Yes, Osa went to the ground too, which didn't help. But saying he pushed the center three yards back when the center was simply trying to get leverage, which he got, seems like an overly optimistic take.

Did the center end up 3 yards back or not?

"Almost gets in on the tackle"? Dude was 8 yards away when the first guy attempted, which caused Hill to slow up a split second. Only reason he was in the vicinity was because of the broken tackles and he still arrived pretty late.

I was not expecting a backside DT to run 20 yards down the field on a WR screen that went away from him.. Were you? Wasn't saying he could have made the tackle.. but it showed me something.

That play was at 8:48 and Hill is playing the 5 technique on the right defensive side. He also gets away with holding the LG.

And? How many times did the LG get away with holding him?

Snap is at 8:09. Hill is lined up at the 1 tech. He is not double teamed. He's stopped by the center and Osa goes to the ground from the LG's block, getting on Hill's feet, which causes the LG to just redirect to Hill. Osa is laying between Hill and the LG on the ground.

You're right it's not a pure double because #71 is only able to get on Hill after Osa goes down. But when you watch the end zone replay you can see Hill pushing Mack into the hole and #71 steps in after Osa goes down to help Mack out.

This one bothers me because it looks like he could've made the play in the backfield. He's playing the 5 again and SF tries to reach block him with the LT, which fails. It looks like he may have let up thinking he would get a holding call that didn't come.

He was only able to reach one hand out towards the back because the tackle has hold of his right arm. Maybe that's the call he was looking for. Either way he beat his man, penetrated and created what should have been a TFL or a short gain.

I also would say the LBs didn't, "overpursue." Looks like they didn't get downhill and fill, allowing Mitchell to come to them.

Describe it however you wish.. They weren't in their gaps which resulted in a 10+ yard run that should have gone for 2-3 at best.

But what did Hill do? Looks like he got manhandled by the center. He was literally the only guy on the defensive line who ended that play on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage. On a screen pass.

Mack is a pro bowl caliber center. You're going to lose some to that guy..

Hill gets his blocker taken out by Lawrence. He better make that tackle.

So he does his job and you're STILL mad.

What you call a stalemate I say is an inability to shed his blocker. In other words, he gets blocked 1 on 1 and the runner goes right past him.

I call it a stalemate because that's what it is. You either win, lose or stalemate. Win you shed the blocker, lose you get moved off the line of scrimmage or out of the hole, stalemate you hold your ground and make the play go elsewhere. Most of the time the DT's main responsibility is to occupy blockers and allow the LBs to make the tackles. They're not SUPPOSED to win every snap or be in on a bunch of tackles.. Well it would be great if they did but as we've now BOTH observed, Hill won plenty of snaps but his teammates behind him lost so the play was successful for the offense.

But what did Hill do? Nothing? Pretty much.



What?!? This assessment makes me think your agenda here is clouding your vision. Donovan Wilson got downhill and blew up that play. Hill ended up on his back, literally pancaked by the guard. Not only that, the guard turned him back upfield to pancake him. You say he, "penetrated," but all he did was attack the outside shoulder, get stopped and redirected upfield on his back. If Wilson isn't playing downhill then Hill's contribution to the play would've meant nothing.

The play was literally run right Hill's gap and was unsuccessful because the guard could not move him. Again.. one yard gain right at him.. on a day when the other team was regularly running for 8,9 10 yards and you mad about the 1 yarder. But I'm the one with the agenda.

You also missed some snaps-

2nd Qt- :22 left. SF running out the clock. Hill winds up on his back again as they run right at him for a gain of 7.

Next play- SF still running out the clock. A good example of Hill's lack of awareness. His blocker misses the cut block, Hill gets penetration and hits the pulling blocker, oblivious to where the ball is.

Next play- SF still running out the clock. Hill gets sealed to the inside of an outside run. Again, they're going right to his side. First down, half over.

Thanks for recapping these. I pretty much ignored them because nothing that happens in that situation is really instructional of anything. It was pretty helter skelter for both sides. But I should point out that you missed the fact that on first down Hill "winds up on his back again" two yards into the backfield and he takes two blockers with him. And on 2nd down the 49ers ran for one yard. ONE!! But Hill misplayed it? Come on man..

Ok. If there was any question as to whether you have an agenda this is the clearest example. You're saying Hill flushed him to the right. There was no flushing. It was a playaction bootleg. Hill's blocker barely touched him because he slanted towards the playfake. He never sniffed Garapolo because dude was bootlegging off the playfake.



I'll agree with that take. Hill kept his position and forced the cutback where no one was home.

Another snap you missed-

11:49- it's a pass. Hill stunts to the outside looking to contain. Nothing happens, he's not even blocked.



When you say, "stalemates his man," I think it's your optimistic way of saying he got blocked. He's playing the 1 technique and sheds the center 5 yards downfield. But you call that a, "stalemate." Further, he doesn't cause any cutback because he's not on the playside and the RB goes straight to the hole without redirecting.



Again, this is one of those, "what are you watching?" moments. Osa penetrates and forces Garapolo out of the pocket. Hill stunted to the outside as contain. His inability to contain allowed Garapolo to get outside. Luckily, Garapolo throws a pick. Hill had almost nothing to do with it.

Hill is the closest defender to Garapolo when he lets the ball go. DTs seldom have contain responsibility on a pass play. That would have been Tank's job but I believe Tank was late getting out there because he was being held.

Not a stalemate, got blocked again. Allowed the blocker to get leverage on the inside for the runner to cut off his hip. LVE fills the hole.

Um this is how defense is supposed to work. It's called gap integrity. Hill filled his gap and refused to give up the outside lane which allowed LVE to fill and make the tackle. Yet somehow a 2 yard gain is illustrative of failure in a game in which many other run plays went for 10+ yards.

Poor feet, no balance, gets yanked down by the guard and gets in the way. Another one of those, "rose colored glasses," takes.

So you're saying he was held but still blew up the play... And this is an example of a BAD play to you?

That was a 3 tech he was playing. But yeah, they ran away and he was a non-factor. Barely even blocked.

Clearly we see these plays differently.. However what is an undeniable fact is that By and large MOST of the plays the 49ers ran when Hill was out there were LESS successful than when he wasn't. Whether you want to call him a "non-factor" in all those short gains to his side, the fact that they were indeed short gains cannot be disputed. Just as the ones where they gained good yardage are also a fact. But the short ones outnumber the long once for him. And people keep not wanting to acknowledge it.

The bottom line is that it looks to me like the Cowboys run defense got more stops with the Hill/Osa combo at DT than with Gallimore/Watkins/Basham et al. I know that flies in the face of perception but that's what the numbers say. At some point we're going to have to admit that Hill was not "pushed all over the field" as someone claimed. He wasn't Randy White or Joe Greene but he held his own. Which is all we can ask of a kid coming off a torn ACL .. Mind you I went into this ALSO thinking he got bullied like the rest of our d-line. I was actually surprised at the number of times he ended up on the other side of the line of scrimmage. And no one will convince me he was in on only two tackles. The scorekeeper robbed him of a few I think..

 

[Haimerej]

Did the center end up 3 yards back or not?

Not because Hill forced him back. Like I said, he was getting leverage and taking Hill out of the play.

So he does his job and you're STILL mad.

Mad? No. Just clarifying what happened. Reading your take doesn't really shine a light on Hill's role, i.e. unblocked path to the RB.

I call it a stalemate because that's what it is. You either win, lose or stalemate. Win you shed the blocker, lose you get moved off the line of scrimmage or out of the hole, stalemate you hold your ground and make the play go elsewhere. Most of the time the DT's main responsibility is to occupy blockers and allow the LBs to make the tackles. They're not SUPPOSED to win every snap or be in on a bunch of tackles.. Well it would be great if they did but as we've now BOTH observed, Hill won plenty of snaps but his teammates behind him lost so the play was successful for the offense.

I call it getting blocked. As I said, the guy ran right past him. He didn't, "make the play go elsewhere." He just got blocked.

The play was literally run right Hill's gap and was unsuccessful because the guard could not move him. Again.. one yard gain right at him.. on a day when the other team was regularly running for 8,9 10 yards and you mad about the 1 yarder. But I'm the one with the agenda.

Are you watching the endzone shot? Wilson made that play. If he doesn't fill the guy gets more yards. I don't see how you can look at that play where he is literally pancaked and give him props.

Thanks for recapping these. I pretty much ignored them because nothing that happens in that situation is really instructional of anything. It was pretty helter skelter for both sides. But I should point out that you missed the fact that on first down Hill "winds up on his back again" two yards into the backfield and he takes two blockers with him. And on 2nd down the 49ers ran for one yard. ONE!! But Hill misplayed it? Come on man..

No problem.

He was blocked by 1 guy on 1st down. Watch it again. He got knocked into the 2nd blocker as the RB was flying through the hole he was lined up over. You say he was 2 yards deep but that's only because he's 6 feet tall and laying on the ground. That's hardly a win.

Regarding 2nd down- if you're grading a guy you watch what he does, not necessarily the result of the play.

Hill is the closest defender to Garapolo when he lets the ball go. DTs seldom have contain responsibility on a pass play. That would have been Tank's job but I believe Tank was late getting out there because he was being held.

When the DE stunts inside and the DT goes outside their roles are necessarily reversed. He was the outside defender, therefore he has outside contain. Tank was being blocked by the center. He wasn't anywhere near it because of the stunt.

Um this is how defense is supposed to work. It's called gap integrity. Hill filled his gap and refused to give up the outside lane which allowed LVE to fill and make the tackle. Yet somehow a 2 yard gain is illustrative of failure in a game in which many other run plays went for 10+ yards.

You keep moving goalposts. We're talking about Hill's play and not, "a 2 yard gain." He didn't, "fill his gap," either. He allowed the T to reach block him. He was lined up head on with the G, but the T not only blocked him, he got inside of him. You trying to say he lined up on the guard but his, "gap," was outside the tackle?

Regarding, "how defense is supposed to work," I would refer you to your listed, "Snap 12." That was a perfect example of him maintaining his gap. Shame no one else did.

So you're saying he was held but still blew up the play... And this is an example of a BAD play to you?

That's an example of a blind squirrel finding a nut. I don't like seeing defenders on the ground, even on the inside. I think him getting yanked down had more to do with his poor balance and being out over his feet than anything else.

Clearly we see these plays differently.. However what is an undeniable fact is that By and large MOST of the plays the 49ers ran when Hill was out there were LESS successful than when he wasn't. Whether you want to call him a "non-factor" in all those short gains to his side, the fact that they were indeed short gains cannot be disputed. Just as the ones where they gained good yardage are also a fact. But the short ones outnumber the long once for him. And people keep not wanting to acknowledge it.

The bottom line is that it looks to me like the Cowboys run defense got more stops with the Hill/Osa combo at DT than with Gallimore/Watkins/Basham et al. I know that flies in the face of perception but that's what the numbers say. At some point we're going to have to admit that Hill was not "pushed all over the field" as someone claimed. He wasn't Randy White or Joe Greene but he held his own. Which is all we can ask of a kid coming off a torn ACL .. Mind you I went into this ALSO thinking he got bullied like the rest of our d-line. I was actually surprised at the number of times he ended up on the other side of the line of scrimmage. And no one will convince me he was in on only two tackles. The scorekeeper robbed him of a few I think..

You just watched all his plays. Did you see more than 2 tackles?

Having gone through all that, what do you expect of him? I'm not seeing a game wrecker. I'm seeing a guy I would hope we could replace.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok then don't hold your breath ,.allow yourself to breathe and observe him on a full 17 game scale reg season. Then if he doesn't pan out and under performs, then he's left with
no excuses,.. no excuse for previous injuries .. no excuses for lack of game experience. .

Bohanna get bush wacked to the ground has nuthin to do with scheme and assignment,.. that's a player that's just getting his azz whipped to the ground,
on a series to series, game to game basis.
He's getting physically beaten to the ground every week, vs some average OL guys, and that has nuhtin to do with sub packages and hybrid schemes.

And as unimpressed as i was with Quinton, is it totally out of the question that he could be a totally different and vastly much better this summer, than what he was his rookie year ?
No .. it's actually not., offseason program, more peanut butter diet, and further working with coaches and a year experience going into his 2nd camp, has a possibility to
improve his stock .. just like several of you are saying about Trysten, i'm saying about Bohanna, ... let the games begin this summer, and we'll see how it pans out.

And what 3 years+ other guys are you talkin' about ?
Watkins and Hill are the only ones among the DTs that have " officially" 3 year marks, and Hill has missed half and half in 2020-2021 seasons and Marinelli had him benched
for very much of his rookie year.
.

If you cannot fathom how a DT being unschooled in scheme, assignments, and much less how opponents are going to attack the defense and how that might lead to getting bullied on the field then I don't think there is much more point to this discussion. It's only the reason why coaches are reluctant to start rookies: their inexperience.

Gallimore is 25. I thought he had been around for 3 years. It is possible that it takes 2 offseasons to fully transform his body.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Early on, i can see us keeping 10 DL guys, five which includes the DTs... both 3-techs, 1 techs.

1 Osa Diggy
2 Gallimore
3 Watkins
4 Hill
5 Ridgeway or Bohanna ?

I like Hill's chances at the roster better than i do with Bohanna, to which i think the club will only keep two 1-techs.
Vet Watkins is expected tto be one of the 1 techs.
Bohanna will have to compete and beat out rookie Ridgeway this summer to make this roster, imo.

Ridgeway and Big Bo will both be on this team.

 

[kskboys]

So freakish he still hasn't recorded a sack.

Yup. Hasn't learned to play yet at the NFL level.

 

[conner01]

so not just injuries is why hes got a valid excuse for not developing quicker...

Lets see,
2019 drafted by Martinelli he got in Marinell's dog house, 2020 new DC in Nolan ie train wreck! 2021 new DC in Quinn if not inured showed flashes. Hethe guy was hurt and on his 3rd DC in 3 years i mean it is what it is..

He didn’t win the lottery with staff for sure lol
But it’s been reported a lot he wasn’t mature about his approach to football early on, and that’s on him
It looked like the light has came on and I think we get a good season out of him
It doesn’t hurt that this season is an audition for FA either

 

[conner01]

I think Hill’s ceiling is as a top rotation guy which is valuable. I don’t see him as a starter getting 60-70 snaps a game.

He has the raw talent to be an impactful player
Raw talent only takes you so far and I think he may have finally figured that out which is a good thing
You can scratch out a nice career as a top rotational guy for sure
He has the raw talent to be more than that I think but lots of guys never reach their full potential for one reason or another
But if he can just be a top rotational guy he can have a very nice career
Chaz Green is still on an nfl roster lol

 

[Hennessy_King]

Trysten Hill will be one of the three 3-tech DT guys I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
Some here either will,.. or already have written him off the roster.

- Barring injury, I still think Trysten has a chance to make this 53 roster as a key rotation guy.
Yes, he is not Quinn’s hand picked draft selection, but neither is Gallimore.

- I don’t think his mini camp impressions is by luck, as it was reported he gave rookie Tyler Smith
some problems vs pass, shouldn't come as a surprised.
Hill is athletic and agile, and can move well off the blocks and in pursuit for one 310 pounds.

- For one over 300 pounds, I even to tend to think in terms of his lateral movement, agility and change of direction may be better than Gallimore.
I think between durability and discipline issues (maturity) , that’s been his biggest issues and setbacks.

- Like Gallimore, he’s been slowed and setback by injuries,
He was benched for most of his rookie year under Marinelli
His 2nd year was immediately shortened by the ACL tear injury
His 3rd year he was very slow to recover off coming off that ACL injury; by mid-season.
It didn't helped by a game suspension per post game Raiders.

Im so excited for our 2nd round pick to have a breakout season into being a rotational guy lol. I hope marinelli has a bad case of hemorrhoids today

 

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Im so excited for our 2nd round pick to have a breakout season into being a rotational guy lol. I hope marinelli has a bad case of hemorrhoids today

better than getting nuthin at all. ..plus we'd get a late rd comp pick in return should he likely leaves. ..
if some do their research, it doesn't always work and hit with early rd draft picks - even the competitive teams will miss em.

And it's even tougher trying to click and successfully find that impact 3 tech. It's too super rare to find a Chris Jones sleeper gem in the 2nd-3rd rds

big problem is by far ... we've been missing way too many 2nd rd picks of recent .. ala Jaylon, Gavin, Joseph, Williams, ...only Diggs has almost made up for that.