Dumbest draft thought on this board

[32BellyOption]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

I agree. He’s talented and probably fits Quinn’s system the best of all the CB’s. And if you really like any prospect grab him and don’t try and get cute by moving back and hoping he’s there. Go get your guy!

 

[Hardline]

Hopefully Pitts or Sewell is still on the board and we won't have to choose between Surtain and Horn.

 

[MonsterD]

If they do draft Horn, whether at 10 or 12-15 whatever it might be you have to hope that Joe Whitt and Al Harris can get him out of bad habits and get him to use good technique. Cowboys coaching especially in recent years has been pretty dismal but that is what they are suppose to do is polish guys like Horn to their potential.

 

[Gaede]

If they do draft Horn, whether at 10 or 12-15 whatever it might be you have to hope that Joe Whitt and Al Harris can get him out of bad habits and get him to use good technique. Cowboys coaching especially in recent years has been pretty dismal but that is what they are suppose to do is polish guys like Horn to their potential.

Whitt did coach some pretty good DBs at GB. Don't know what went wrong in ATL though

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I get that, and you might be right. And I agree to a certain extent.

But, just because there aren't many players actually in the draft that are ranked between the two, doesn't mean there isn't a vast divide in skill level between them. It just means that, like most people believe, the draft really drops off after the top-10.

Horn is a high teens to low 20s guy, in my opinion. Two things boosted his stock:

Farley's surgery and his 40 time. Not his play. Not his tape.

I'm very weary of a guy jumping way up boards because the next guy at his position had surgery. That's a huge red flag to me. We're all used to players getting bumped by their 40s, so I don't need to address that.

Whats really crazy is just about everyones knock on Surtain was that he'd run poorly. He went out and put up a time that's plenty fast. So, instead of at that point just saying, "damn, this is the dude..." they started looking new ways/reasons to discredit him. Like saying he's "overhyped because he played at Bama."

Like professional scouts just ignore tape because of the school. Like any professional scout sat down at their desk and said, "welp, don't need to review this guy's film cause he played at Bama."

Like couch scouts just ignore tape because of his school. Like anyone on this forum, as peculiar and particular as they are, decided to just give the guy a top-10 grade because he went to Bama.

Give me a break.

+1

 

[CowboyoWales]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

But if we're picking him at 13-15 it would mean we've traded down, so the actual point is that people don't want to take Horn at 10, however, are prepared to take him with an extra 2nd round pick.

Signing Horn and then a S or DT with the extra pick improves two positions on a defense which needs all the help it can get.

 

[morasp]

Either way Horn, Surtain, and Newsome are all Press-Man CBs ideal for our cover three defense and they all grade out higher than Diggs last year. Trade back a little and get two for one.

 

[cnuball21]

For me it’s the overreaction of pro day 40 times and how they catapult players to 10 and erase every concern from tape / scouting reports.

 

[Cowboyny]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

I think many give the media big boards too much weight. Horn has been listed as a top 20 prospect, where many think you can trade back and still get him. With the recent news about Farley, he has replaced Surtain's slotting and now is a top 10-12 prospect. If the Cowboys like him, they have to take him at 10.

 

[CowboyoWales]

For me it’s the overreaction of pro day 40 times and how they catapult players to 10 and erase every concern from tape / scouting reports.

Spot on. How many times do players run a straight 40 off the blocks.

 

[visionary]

Problem is there really aren’t any sure fire DL or Ss at 10. And the reports seem mixed on Parsons.

Cowboys are in a pickle.

then trade down or take offense (OL or TE)

 

[cowboygo]

even dumber to say that a player projected to be taken in rd 2 a month ago is ok to take at 10 just because he ran a fast 40 time

the idiotic fascination with CBs and WRs needs to stop

learn football

great defenses are built with great front 7 and safety play not reaching fir CBs

These projections from mock drafts/draft boards get more accurate as the draft approaches. Its not because of his pro day, draft experts are hearing from front offices and getting insight from teams of who they like. Mac Jones has been all over the board throughout the offseason on his projection. The closer we get, the more clarity we get. He did not “move up” based on his 40 time.

 

[cowboygo]

Horn doesn't do anything better than Surtain. Not a single thing. Yeah, I like the edge Horn plays with, but no, the grabby thing isn't overplayed. There's a reason it's in almost every write up about the guy.

Don't get me wrong, Horn is a baller and I'd be fine the the Cowboys wound up with him. Later. Not at 10. And not over Surtain.

Horn’s 2020 tape is better than Surtain’s. Surtain has been more consistent throughout his career. Its higher ceiling vs higher floor. Although Surtain’s ceiling is also pretty high. I’m fine with both. Both are excellent fits for our scheme.

 

[visionary]

These projections from mock drafts/draft boards get more accurate as the draft approaches. Its not because of his pro day, draft experts are hearing from front offices and getting insight from teams of who they like. Mac Jones has been all over the board throughout the offseason on his projection. The closer we get, the more clarity we get. He did not “move up” based on his 40 time.

yes, that is part of it but part of it is also that people don’t pay attention to how defenses are actually built through front 7 and safety and fall in love with flashy toys like CB and WR on offense. In addition people do exactly what they tell everyone not to and overvalue the underwear olympics such as the 40 time. In Horns case this also happened because Farley had surgery otherwise no one would project him at the top. Horn has all of 2 picks, and that’s a top 10 pick? I don’t think so. Even Surtain and Farley have serious shortcomings. I’m easily taking OL or Pitts before I take either of them and I’m someone who really really wants defense.

 

[Brooksey]

Horn doesn't do anything better than Surtain. Not a single thing. Yeah, I like the edge Horn plays with, but no, the grabby thing isn't overplayed. There's a reason it's in almost every write up about the guy.

Don't get me wrong, Horn is a baller and I'd be fine the the Cowboys wound up with him. Later. Not at 10. And not over Surtain.

Horn is better in man and equal to Surtain in Zone. Horn has an attitude this defense and this franchise desperately needs.

 

[Brooksey]

I think many give the media big boards too much weight. Horn has been listed as a top 20 prospect, where many think you can trade back and still get him. With the recent news about Farley, he has replaced Surtain's slotting and now is a top 10-12 prospect. If the Cowboys like him, they have to take him at 10.

Can't get Horn in a trade back. February's rankings are over. The more people watch J.Horn the faster he's moving up the boards. He could go at 9 and we take Surtain..who I like too, just not as much. If we trade out of 10... Horn not getting past NY and Philly, IMO.

 

[Cowboyny]

Can't get Horn in a trade back. February's rankings are over. The more people watch J.Horn the faster he's moving up the boards. He could go at 9 and we take Surtain..who I like too, just not as much. If we trade out of 10... Horn not getting past NY and Philly, IMO.

Although many here will disagree, but it's very possible Horn goes ahead of Surtain. If the Cowboys like either corner, they are going to have to take him at 10, unless they still are considering Farley.

 

[cowboygo]

yes, that is part of it but part of it is also that people don’t pay attention to how defenses are actually built through front 7 and safety and fall in love with flashy toys like CB and WR on offense. In addition people do exactly what they tell everyone not to and overvalue the underwear olympics such as the 40 time. In Horns case this also happened because Farley had surgery otherwise no one would project him at the top. Horn has all of 2 picks, and that’s a top 10 pick? I don’t think so. Even Surtain and Farley have serious shortcomings. I’m easily taking OL or Pitts before I take either of them and I’m someone who really really wants defense.

As long as 4 QBs and 1 WR goes in the top 10, we should get atleast one of Pitts, Sewell, Slater, Surtain & Horn. I’d be ecstatic with any of those 5. My preference is Pitts. After that I think the team is gonna select based on what they think the position has more depth later in the draft. Whatever they value higher in later rounds (Oline/CB) i think they get their premium at 10 by going opposite.

 

[DanA]

By far the dumbest thing I have seen on this board and I've seen it by many different people, is this idea that you can't take J. Horn at 10 but you can take him at 13-15.

To say this is stupid is an understatement.

The premise of this OP is that 10 + a late second is worth no more than 15 on his own.

And you’re the smart guy?

 

[John813]

How is that dumb/dumbest idea you seen on here?

If you can trade back 3-5 spots, gain a draft pick and still pick the player you want, isn't that a shrewd move?
I figure the people who are proposing this idea are doing it for extra picks and not for pick value.

Now if it's purely saying 10 is overdrafted and 13 is a steal... well, still not the dumbest idea on here.