Dwayne Bowe or Anthony Spencer?

[Doomsday101]

Spencer, not to say a WR would not have been nice but in a 3-4 D we needed quality OLB. In the words of BP you can't get everything in a single draft but you get what you need and Dallas did that.

 

[Woods]

"Now w/ Ellis' injury, it sort of made sense to draft Spencer, but at the same time I wouldn't have minded seeing either Carpenter or Burnett given a shot had we taken Bowe."

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This was the issue, IMO.

Our defense had a meltdown after the NO game, it was clear there was only one pass rusher on this team.

I think we were giving up around 30+ points a game (or close to it).

There was a complete lack of confidence with our defense.

Hence, that is one of the main reasons JJ hired Wade, IMO, over Norv. JJ needed to salvage the 3-4 after sinking so much money and time into it.

Though both Glenn and TO were over 30, both had productive and healthy seasons (other than TO's finger).

With Ellis, many thought he couldn't return.

I think getting another pass rusher was so important - given the information we knew last April. (We didn't know this season Ellis would be back and Glenn would be injured. A complete flip flop from 2006 season.)

IMO, the idea may have been to get a WR in Round 2, but we traded out of it as there wasn't any value left.

In any case, we'll probably pick up a veteran WR to replace Glenn this year, and we'll probably draft another one as well.

 

[peplaw06]

Oh Good God.


We get it.

For every player we have drafted in the past, there was someone better who we could have picked.

Do you guys just like being hopelessly unsatisfied or what?

 

[CATCH17]

"Now w/ Ellis' injury, it sort of made sense to draft Spencer, but at the same time I wouldn't have minded seeing either Carpenter or Burnett given a shot had we taken Bowe."

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This was the issue, IMO.

Our defense had a meltdown after the NO game, it was clear there was only one pass rusher on this team.

I think we were giving up around 30+ points a game (or close to it).

There was a complete lack of confidence with our defense.

Hence, that is one of the main reasons JJ hired Wade, IMO, over Norv. JJ needed to salvage the 3-4 after sinking so much money and time into it.

Though both Glenn and TO were over 30, both had productive and healthy seasons (other than TO's finger).

With Ellis, many thought he couldn't return.

I think getting another pass rusher was so important - given the information we knew last April. (We didn't know this season Ellis would be back and Glenn would be injured. A complete flip flop from 2006 season.)

IMO, the idea may have been to get a WR in Round 2, but we traded out of it as there wasn't any value left.

In any case, we'll probably pick up a veteran WR to replace Glenn this year, and we'll probably draft another one as well.

Exactly. When Ellis went down are defense started going down hill in a big way.

We made the right move plain and simple.

 

[QT]

I thought Dallas was looking more at Robert Meacham then Dwayne Bowe. I was following the draft on ESPN and the name that popped up more for Dallas was Meacham, who went to the Saints later.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

IMO we made the absolute best choice. We got Spencer, who was darn good for us when he had to step in and start for Ellis at the start of the year (Something that you wouldn't have gotten if you'd went with Bowe cause he wasn't going to start over Owens and Crayton).

Spencer also gives us the needed, and necassary, replacement for Ellis should he get cut, retire, whatever. I love Ellis and I hope he's around another couple years to really let Spencer grow, but facts are facts. He's older and probably not going to be around as long as TO could be at WR. With the shape TO keeps himself in he could play another 3-4 years, at a high level, for us at WR and if thats the case then you've drafted Bowe (And lost Spencer and the extra first rounder this year) to get Bowe.

Last of all, to me, who says this years crop of WR is thin? Are you kidding me?

Malcom Kelly, Limas Sweed, Jackson, James, Manningham, Doucett, and a few others are all VERY nice additions to a team. If you've been reading, and keeping up with the mocks and the general concensus on where these guys will fall, there is an EXCELLENT shot that 3 or 4 of those names, at least, will still be sitting there at the 22 spot.

Dallas can possibly snatch up a Limas Sweed this year whose a really big, physical, reciever who makes absolutely GREAT adjustments to the ball and has really good speed for a reciever of his size (He's 6'5" 225-230 pounds). We can get the reciever we want to groom this year and pick up that additional corner we need as well.

So, if that all shakes out, which sounds better to you?

Bowe in 07 or...

Spencer in 07 and a future WR and CB in 08?


I know which group I'd rather have.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I thought Dallas was looking more at Robert Meacham then Dwayne Bowe. I was following the draft on ESPN and the name that popped up more for Dallas was Meacham, who went to the Saints later.

You are quite correct sir. The thing was if Dallas kept the pick they were looking at either Ross (Who went to the Giants instead) or Meacham.

You'll notice, from this season, Meacham didn't play a single down, all year, cause of injury. He was inactive for the entire season.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh Good God.


We get it.

For every player we have drafted in the past, there was someone better who we could have picked.

Do you guys just like being hopelessly unsatisfied or what?

That's absolutely the best I've ever seen that put. Kudos to you.

For those who mention that we passed on Brady...yeah...so did 30 other teams, just as many times.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I dont understand how you guys thought we needed a younger WR more than another pass rusher.

First of all Greg Ellis came back from an Achilles injury. Hes lucky as heck to even play as well as he did.

2nd of all nobody knows where Greg Ellis's head is. He keeps saying he doesn't want to be with this team and so on.

3rd of all we had TO, Terry, Crayton going into the season.

The Cowboys made the OBVIOUS right choice by getting Spencer.

I like that answer a lot.

 

[QT]

You are quite correct sir. The thing was if Dallas kept the pick they were looking at either Ross (Who went to the Giants instead) or Meacham.

You'll notice, from this season, Meacham didn't play a single down, all year, cause of injury. He was inactive for the entire season.

That's what I thought. So this thread is basically useless, b/c in every draft year, we could have gotten someone better instead of the player we drafted. Mainly b/c Dallas wasn't even targeting Dwayne Bowe.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Pass rushers are harder to find than WRs in my opinion. So I'd take Spencer all over again.

That's not a fair question. It should be:

Dwayne Bowe

or

Anthony Spencer AND the #22 pick this year.

Spencer....Ellis won't be around much longer

Bingo...

I'd have taken Spencer straight up, but adding in a pick? It's a no-brainer.

You have to have pass rushers... You just have to. Look at the Giants with all the guys they have. And we'd have been dead -- absolutely dead -- without Spencer to sub in for Ellis.

Spencer was an excellent pick. Good talent and a great kid with absolutely no character or work ethic questions. I was really happy with the ability he flashed this year when he got a chance.

 

[joseephuss]

If Dallas would have just drafted Marques Colston in the latter rounds of the previous draft this whole conversation would not be needed.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Spencer will be in same mold as Shaun Phillips and I think Wade understands that....

A little shorter than Im sure Wade would prefer but he is a natural pass rusher.

I had hope for Bobby and still do ... But he isnt physical enough to play ILB in a 3-4 and doesnt have the moves to be a OLB in a 3-4. He is best suited as a 4-3 SOLB in the Mold of Lance Briggs if he is lucky. He has good speed and can cover TE's and has an end and DT to keep blockers off of him...

 

[superpunk]

Spencer will be in same mold as Shaun Phillips and I think Wade understands that....

I think Wade hopes he'll be more of the mold of Shawne Merriman. We've already got the Phillips role taken care of with Ware.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Spencer was a contrubutor this year, especially early and in the playoofs where he gave the Giants fits. The sky's the limit for this kid. Bowe would have been a good addition, but by not having him, we found out more about Hurd and Austin, which we neede to do (and I think Hurd is a keeper and Austin is expendable).

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[Alexander]

I have a feeling we will need Anthony Spencer very soon, sooner than we would need a maturing WR.

You would think with all the complaining about Bowe, he would have had a better season than he did.

The clincher for me was Gosselin stating we made a mistake. That tells me we made the right choice.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Agree. Hurd proved he's a real solid 3-4 reciever. Austin is expendable. The one thing that kept him on this team, for me, was his Kickoff return ability but even that only showed flashes before bogging down to average at best.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The clincher for me was Gosselin stating we made a mistake. That tells me we made the right choice.

:laugh2: No kidding.

 

[dboyz]

Like others have said you can always look back and say we could of had this guy or that guy, but there should be no second guessing drafting Spencer.

It was a need position and Spencer looks to be an impact player. Of course the jury is still out, but I think last year's draft class will be a pretty good one.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Bingo...

I'd have taken Spencer straight up, but adding in a pick? It's a no-brainer.

You have to have pass rushers... You just have to. Look at the Giants with all the guys they have. And we'd have been dead -- absolutely dead -- without Spencer to sub in for Ellis.

Spencer was an excellent pick. Good talent and a great kid with absolutely no character or work ethic questions. I was really happy with the ability he flashed this year when he got a chance.

Just think, it could end up as Spencer and Malcolm Kelly or a CB of our choice instead of just Bowe.