Eagles | OG S. Andrews lands contract extension

[Vintage]

Not every position. The decisions to replace Douglas with McDougal failed and they had to go and spend the money for Kearse. I don't think they replaced Simon last year. They had to bring Trotter back. They still haven't replaced Carlos Emmons after trying with both Simoneau and Keith Adams. Now they have Barber, who has a year left at most. Unless that young player they got last year from San Diego State (name escapes me) works out, they still don't have a young player there.

They did do a good job with the corners, but I don't see it everywhere else. They are not to the level of say, the Steelers, that lose people every year and don't skip a beat.

True, McDougal busted out. That affected their plans.

Simon was asking for too much money, a year too early. I think the Eagles thought they could get away with it for a year until they found a replacement.

They did in Brunkley. Though it remains to be seen if Brunkley is going to be a good DT; he is a damn good prospect. And they like Trent Cole.

As far as their LB's go, again, they had to get some stop gaps in Barber, and Trotter (though Trotter could still play for the next several years too, if the Eagles want him back).

McCoy is someone they are high on. Simenaou didn't turn out as planned. Adams was solid considering they got him when they were depleted and we had cut him.

And they drafted Gocong...who is an intriguing prospect.

But look at their OL. Justice looks to take over in the near future. Andrews is young and starting. Giles is gearing up to be their other future G. They have a potential other Tackle in Hannerman (or whatever his name is).

They've done better in some spots (OL, CB, S) than others (DL, LB).

Though, it does look like LB and DL are getting better for them (as far as youthful prospects go).

 

[Vintage]

By comparison, we have developed, on the DL, Spears, Canty, Ratliff. We have a vet we've had in some time in Ellis; who we now have replacements for. We brought in a vet in Ferguson, and a rookie to get some reps in Stanley.

At LB, we've developed Ware and James. We brought in a young vet in Ayodele, and drafted Carpenter.

At CB, we drafted and developed Newman. We brought in a vet in Henry. Developed S Williams. Developed Reeves into a future nickleback. Brought in an aging vet in Glenn.

At DL and LB, we don't really need to develop any further (or maybe ascertain is a better word) young prospects, unless we really like someone. We should be set for awhile.

In the secondary, we need to develop a FS (Watkins, perhaps), and in the next 2-3 years, a starting CB (Henry and Newman will be on the wrong side of 30 at that point).

OL still remains a problems. QB does too. As does WR.

We've seemed to develop a nice TE rotation. Our RB's look solid(if healthy).

 

[Alexander]

McCoy is someone they are high on. Simenaou didn't turn out as planned. Adams was solid considering they got him when they were depleted and we had cut him.

And they drafted Gocong...who is an intriguing prospect.

McCoy, that's his name. If they are so high on him, why isn't he didn't play much last year, even on special teams?

As for Gocong, I liked him as a 3-4 player, not a 4-3 linebacker. Now you hear they are just going to make an end out of him? It sounds to me they got a little too tricky for their own good.

 

[Hoov]

Craziness.

I am all for locking up your young talent, but Andrews has played ONE year.

If he decides to eat more (which given his history is a distinct possibility), they are going to regret this.

LOL, that was funny. And i was suprised to see this deal, did he really play that well last season ?

 

[Alexander]

LOL, that was funny. And i was suprised to see this deal, did he really play that well last season ?

He played very well, actually. It's just strange to extend this soon and after only one year of productivity.

 

[Vintage]

McCoy, that's his name. If they are so high on him, why isn't he didn't play much last year, even on special teams?

As for Gocong, I liked him as a 3-4 player, not a 4-3 linebacker. Now you hear they are just going to make an end out of him? It sounds to me they got a little too tricky for their own good.

We wanted Bradie James. We drafted him.

Why didn't we play him much until this year?

(I know you know the answer). It takes time to develop for some players. Some players catch on quicker. McCoy is the likely starter from what Eagles.Scout members are telling me. And that it is Barber who is going to be playing in nickle/third down situations.

As for Gocong, I liked him as a 3-4 OLB as well.

But then again, I am not a scout either. If the Eagles think it can work, they'll try it out. Do I think it will work? Not particularly. But then again, they know more football than me...so maybe it will.

Worse case scenario, they get themselves a pass rush specialist at DE. Maybe even a potential replacement for Kearse.

 

[Vintage]

LOL, that was funny. And i was suprised to see this deal, did he really play that well last season ?

Yeah, he played damn well.

2nd Pro Bowl Alternative IIRC. Allen didn't deserve it over Andrews IMO.

Like Alexander said, its just shocking, given his age, one year of high production, that he was just drafted in 2004, etc.

Plus, the money....its not too far off of what Hutch got IIRC (7, 49, 18 in gauranteed )

 

[Alexander]

We wanted Bradie James. We drafted him.

Why didn't we play him much until this year?

(I know you know the answer). It takes time to develop for some players. Some players catch on quicker. McCoy is the likely starter from what Eagles.Scout members are telling me. And that it is Barber who is going to be playing in nickle/third down situations.

As for Gocong, I liked him as a 3-4 OLB as well.

But then again, I am not a scout either. If the Eagles think it can work, they'll try it out. Do I think it will work? Not particularly. But then again, they know more football than me...so maybe it will.

Worse case scenario, they get themselves a pass rush specialist at DE. Maybe even a potential replacement for Kearse.

There is a distinct difference between James and McCoy.

James was an accomplished player at LSU. And he was very productive as a rookie on special teams. McCoy was considered a workout warrior who wasn't even invited to the Combine and he appeared in a grand total of four games and got on the field for one whole series. He was completely overwhelmed. He could turn out like James, but even James didn't struggle nearly as much to start.

 

[Vintage]

There is a distinct difference between James and McCoy.

James was an accomplished player at LSU. And he was very productive as a rookie on special teams. McCoy was considered a workout warrior who wasn't even invited to the Combine and he appeared in a grand total of four games and got on the field for one whole series. He was completely overwhelmed. He could turn out like James, but even James didn't struggle nearly as much to start.

James contributed on special teams...

However, everytime James stepped onto the field, he looked lost (especially early on).

I remember people questioning if he had the smarts to play at the NFL level as well as him looking lost. He took time to develop.

 

[Hoov]

i didnt realize andrews had such a good season.

whats funny is that it would seem that the eagles really do have a good OLine and add that they drafted that OT this year, so you would think that they would do well running the football.

yet there does not seem to be any urgency about getting help at RB position and just seems to be lack of commitment to that aspect of the game.

I thought that other WCO's always did seem to do well running the football even though the Offense was based around the passing game. But that hasnt really been the case with Philly.

 

[Vintage]

i didnt realize andrews had such a good season.

whats funny is that it would seem that the eagles really do have a good OLine and add that they drafted that OT this year, so you would think that they would do well running the football.

yet there does not seem to be any urgency about getting help at RB position and just seems to be lack of commitment to that aspect of the game.

I thought that other WCO's always did seem to do well running the football even though the Offense was based around the passing game. But that hasnt really been the case with Philly.

Andy Reid doesn't like to run, for whatever reason.

 

[adbutcher]

He played very well, actually. It's just strange to extend this soon and after only one year of productivity.

 

[Stash]

I thought Andrews played Good, not great football last season. I felt he got away with holding quite a bit (but I'm biased).

I'd like Adam to let us know if this was a signing or roster bonus. Signing bonus gives the player a bit more security in my opinion.

As for Dawkins, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Eagles put the screws to one of their all-time best players.

And "Mr Eagle Fan" is already taking the company line toward that happening.

They've done it to plenty of players in the past and they're sure to yet again.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

It's not Jim Johnson's decision.

I won't challenge you there Alex, but come on! Don't you think an franchise GM would consult with their head defensive coach on matters so grave that would have a significant impact On the entire defensive squad? I'll relent, that the defensive coordinators word may have Greater weight depending on the franchise and the GM. But Jim Johnson has a pretty solid reputation with Eagles GM.

I am sure he would have liked to have kept Bobby Taylor or Troy Vincent or Jeremiah Trotter or Corey Simon. But Eagles management let them all go.

Taylor and Vincent ...questionable -- they really haven't performed at any mentionable level since they departed the Eagles. Simon, I'll agree with you.
But last check, Trotter was still a card-carrying member of the Philadelphia Eagles. Now Unless you know something I don't ...

They wouldn't "send him out to pasture", but I can certainly see them giving him a less than flattering offer and that would push him out the door.[

You may be right on that one also.

 

[Alexander]

I won't challenge you there Alex, but come on! Don't you think an franchise GM would consult with their head defensive coach on matters so grave that would have a significant impact On the entire defensive squad? I'll relent, that the defensive coordinators word may have Greater weight depending on the franchise and the GM. But Jim Johnson has a pretty solid reputation with Eagles GM.

He can air his concerns, and I am sure he did. But the GM and owner make the decisions. Just because he likes a player doesn't mean the team keeps them. I am pretty sure he would have liked to have kept Taylor and/or Vincent and not had young corners at both positions.

Taylor and Vincent ...questionable -- they really haven't performed at any mentionable level since they departed the Eagles. Simon, I'll agree with you.
But last check, Trotter was still a card-carrying member of the Philadelphia Eagles. Now Unless you know something I don't ...

Trotter had to leave. The fact that he came back (so did Douglas) is immaterial. They both left for bigger contracts and eventually came back with their tails between their legs because that's how the Eagles negotiate. They have a price in mind and they don't pay market value for older vets. Unless it is for young players. Or QBs named McNabb.

 

[ZeroClub]

i didnt realize andrews had such a good season.

whats funny is that it would seem that the eagles really do have a good OLine and add that they drafted that OT this year, so you would think that they would do well running the football.

yet there does not seem to be any urgency about getting help at RB position and just seems to be lack of commitment to that aspect of the game.

I thought that other WCO's always did seem to do well running the football even though the Offense was based around the passing game. But that hasnt really been the case with Philly.

I agree.

If you have a healthy McNabb and Owens, I guess it makes sense to de-emphasize the run.

But late last year, with McNabb and Owens out and a very raw QB (who looked oddly like Howdy Doody) in, it was bizarre that the Eagles didn't try to run anymore than they did.

Yeah, I know they had injuries at RB too, but Ryan Moats showed much potential. He should have gotten more carries late in the year, IMO.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I laughed when I saw this. Andrew wasn't very good last year and most Eagles fans I know where complaining about his play. Oh yeah, he ballooned up to 380 pounds and has a history of bad weight issues (weighed 400 pounds once in college).

Perhaps Reid knows something I don't. But, I wouldn't give a 380 pound O-Linemen who has weight issues since college a contract extension like that even IF he played great. Chances are that's not going to last if he gets fatter.

Rich.......

 

[Longboysfan]

good move by Philly

resigning Dawkins would go against their policy of not resigning players on the other side of 30​

But...
They could release him.

Let him sign some place else.

Wait two years for him to be cut.

Then resign him.:laugh1:

 

[Vintage]

I laughed when I saw this. Andrew wasn't very good last year and most Eagles fans I know where complaining about his play. Oh yeah, he ballooned up to 380 pounds and has a history of bad weight issues (weighed 400 pounds once in college).

Perhaps Reid knows something I don't. But, I wouldn't give a 380 pound O-Linemen who has weight issues since college a contract extension like that even IF he played great. Chances are that's not going to last if he gets fatter.

Rich.......

Andrews lost a close friend of his due to heart disease IIRC recently. Andrews shed a lot of weight and is down around 340. He says he is going to keep his weigh off bec. he saw his friend slip away due to similar issues about weigth.

Whether or not he does is up to him.

But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he did [keep the weight off] considering the circumstances.

Apparently he is eating healthy and exercising well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's not Jim Johnson's decision. I am sure he would have liked to have kept Bobby Taylor or Troy Vincent or Jeremiah Trotter or Corey Simon. But Eagles management let them all go.

well they did have 2 capable replacements for taylor and Vincent in Sheldon and Lito, of course they didn't with Simon, but still, they build through the draft and try to find replacements, so I can't really argue with them not making a big deal about their impending FAs, however, it doesn't stop me from arguing with them trying to low-ball their players just because they are under contract