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Forget Correll Buckhalter...

Now the Eagles have Tony Hunt. The guy is more similar to Larry Johnson than just playing at Penn State. They play the same way, heck they even had similar measurables. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Hunt is as talented, but what I am saying is that this guy is going to improve that team alot. Westbrook isn't going to be taking so many carries now, at least not inside. Hunt is going to take over that.

Westbrook is a complete back IMO, at least compared to JJ. He can catch the ball better than some recievers, and is one of the best cutback runners I have seen in a while, especially considering his lack of great speed.

I would take Hunt over Marion Barber to be completely honest.
 

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BouncingCheese;1543157 said:
Forget Correll Buckhalter...

Now the Eagles have Tony Hunt. The guy is more similar to Larry Johnson than just playing at Penn State. They play the same way, heck they even had similar measurables. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Hunt is as talented, but what I am saying is that this guy is going to improve that team alot. Westbrook isn't going to be taking so many carries now, at least not inside. Hunt is going to take over that.

Westbrook is a complete back IMO, at least compared to JJ. He can catch the ball better than some recievers, and is one of the best cutback runners I have seen in a while, especially considering his lack of great speed.

I would take Hunt over Marion Barber to be completely honest.

Buckhalter showed that he is definitely making a comeback in 2006. While I hope that his condition continues to Improve, I just sense that his injury may
come back to haunt him ...the Eagles can't take that chance. Enter ...Tony Hunt, and Nasty Nate. Hunt probably won't enter until Buckhalter is given an opportunity to show the he is ...all the way back. Tony Hunt provides depth and has the potential to tak over that position. I've just got a feeling that Nate will probable be held just as insurance.

Either way, the Eagles ground game will be a factor to deal with in 2007.

If Dallas gets Larry Johnson ...lokk out NFC!
 

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BouncingCheese;1543157 said:
Forget Correll Buckhalter...

Now the Eagles have Tony Hunt. The guy is more similar to Larry Johnson than just playing at Penn State. They play the same way, heck they even had similar measurables. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Hunt is as talented, but what I am saying is that this guy is going to improve that team alot. Westbrook isn't going to be taking so many carries now, at least not inside. Hunt is going to take over that.

Westbrook is a complete back IMO, at least compared to JJ. He can catch the ball better than some recievers, and is one of the best cutback runners I have seen in a while, especially considering his lack of great speed.

I would take Hunt over Marion Barber to be completely honest.
You must be basing that on potential, because it can't possibly have anything to do with on the field.
 

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Question, Talon, you the same Talon on another Cowboy site?

Strictly on talent levels, before training camp and before the actual start of games....

On the defensive side of the ball, I would have to go with what The Sporting News has evaluated...

Defensive ends-Dallas
Defensive tackle-Dallas
Linebackers-Dallas
Cornerbacks-Dallas
Safeties-Dallas

This is just the defensive side of the ball, but it is indicative of where Philadelphia will now have to contend with, as Dallas has stepped up in where it stands at game time.

Philadelphia, don't get me wrong, it has a very respectable team, but when intensity hits it's limits, and not a reflection of systems and single game blow outs, is now a step behind Dallas on the defensive side of the ball...the Eagles will have to hit on ALL cyllinders while having the ball.

This season, I don't know if Donovan McNabb is still at that point in his career, that he can be scrambling around, running, and maneuvering to make plays that change games, as he did in the past. I don't know that it would be wise, after three successive years of injury, for him to even assume this role. Hence, the strength of the Eagle offensive line goes without question. If Philadelphia were to receive injury to it's starting offensive tackles, as Dallas did in the past, I would think that both the effectiveness of McNabb, but additionally, that of Westbrook would come into question. Further, an injury to Westbrook, puts the efficiency of all else, into much more scrutiny, than what happend two years ago....with McNabb down for the count and no Garcia.

The middle of the Eagle defense, is suspect...and by this, I mean that the defensive tackle situation is 'soft', the defensive ends are in the lower quarter of the NFC...and at linebacker, the Eagles rate at the bottom quarter also...

Eagles:
Defensive ends-Jevon Kearse is still coming back from knee injury and Darren Howard has not been the player that the Eagles thought that they initially signed.

Defensive tackles-Brodrick Bunkley barely go onto the field as a rookie, and Mike Patterson needs to become much more consistent.

Linebacker-The Eagles believe that it has improved one of it's weakest positions from last year. It, although, has leg 'issues' with both Trotter and Spikes. Chris Gocong is coming of an injured reserve year...and Steart Bradley is a 'rook'.

Cornerback-The seperation in talent is only a nano-fraction...but the Eagles gamble more than the Cowboys. This could be lethal, with a group of receivers that the Cowboys possess.

Safety-This is not far apart, due to the continued play of Brian Dawkins, but if he has an off year, or starts to show age injuries, this becomes a little suspect also. Considine has put on weight, and was not an elite player, so his influence has to be seen this season.

As far as offensive tackles-
1.Commanders
2.Eagles
7.Cowboys

Offensive guards/centers-
3.Giants
6.Eagles
8.Cowboys


RG Shawn Andrews is the strength of the offensive line. LG Herremans played well his first year. C Jamall Jackson moves laterally well and makes calls well.

LT Thomas appears to have come back full strength from his blood clot and back surgery. Jon Runyen appears to have remained consistent, but is at year 11. He is not an elite player, but is a great player. The old fashioned way. He is probably the third best offensive tackle in the NFC....

Taken as a group, this is the real advantage that Philadelphia possesses....

At wide receivers, the Cowboys possess probably the third best group in the NFC....and the Eagles are just behind the Giants, at 9.

I don't know, but holding all the potential down through the entire season, may be a bit too much for Reid and his fine staff, to accomplish...but never the less, as football overall standards go...I want to be there to watch both games between Philadelphia and Dallas....this season!!
 

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Like many other's in this thread have said... I have a problem with the LB position in the original poster's analysis.

I have a hard time thinking many good personnel guys would trade Ware straight up for present day Trotter, Spikes and Gaither. Seriously, Ware is one of the premier edge rusher in the NFL now, and those three are either on the downside of their career or haven't done a thing.

Then, if you look at the entire Dallas LB corps... you see Spencer, Ayodele, James, Burnett, Carpenter among other's... as well as Ware and really that position isn't really even close.

I do think that the comparison isn't completely valid though, because Dallas plays in a 3-4 while Philly plays in a 4-3. But looking at it this way: If Dallas offered it's entire LB corp to Philly for all of their LB's... I can't see Philly saying no. They would have Ware, Spencer and Ellis at DE and Burnett, Carpenter, Ayodele and James at LB. Frankly, I think they'd be thrilled with that, cap issues aside.
 

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I would argue that as long as Davis plays as well at guard here as he did his first few years at Arizona, its a massive upgrade to our O line and he would be the equal almost to ANdrews. Our center went to the Pro Bowl and deserved it. Kosier is the weak link in the middle. At tackles I give Philli only a small edge- and when he wants to the Hotel can be about as good as you can get. I really do not see much of an edge on Philli's O line as some claim.
 

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burmafrd;1547492 said:
I would argue that as long as Davis plays as well at guard here as he did his first few years at Arizona, its a massive upgrade to our O line and he would be the equal almost to ANdrews. Our center went to the Pro Bowl and deserved it. Kosier is the weak link in the middle. At tackles I give Philli only a small edge- and when he wants to the Hotel can be about as good as you can get. I really do not see much of an edge on Philli's O line as some claim.


I agree with that and I think that Davis will play well this year in Dallas. He's just so incredibly huge and athletic for his size. Guys won't be able to get away from him at guard like they could when he played weakside tackle.
 

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Cowboys vs. Eagles: Eagles until we beat them.

Simple as that.

Doesn't really matter how the **** any team does on paper beacuse at the end of the day it really boils down to wins and losses.

We need to beat those dirty birds so they can be put back in their places.

Then again, that is the only thing that they have on us is these past five or six years of being better than us.
 

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One thing has been constant. If you put enough pressure on McFlab, be it pass rush or game situation, he WILL choke. That is what we have to do.
 

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BouncingCheese;1547516 said:
Cowboys vs. Eagles: Eagles until we beat them.

Simple as that.

Doesn't really matter how the **** any team does on paper beacuse at the end of the day it really boils down to wins and losses.

We need to beat those dirty birds so they can be put back in their places.

Then again, that is the only thing that they have on us is these past five or six years of being better than us.

If, in game one against Philadelphia this year, Dallas doesn't from the start of the first whistle, walk straight up and give the Eagles a straight chop to the jaw, then I'd agree with YOUR assessment of 'owned' AND pimped....:lmao:
Not going to happen, with the roll over and kiss up...brow beat and all.:cool:
 

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Phoenix-Talon;1542424 said:
Position by position sneak-peek snap shot look at who playing what position on both sides of the ball, and who in your opinion is the better athlete at that position ...

My choices (how I see it as an Eagles fan), will be in bold highlight.


QB Mcnabb versus Romo = Eagles

Eat your chunky soup and go away

Puke green does not go well in this Cowboys fans site

Begone!:mad:
 

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Hey PT............How is Fowler doing?




That's right.........he's with the Titans :rolleyes:
 

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QB- Romo vs Mc Nabb- Donovan, but this is all going to change this season.
RB- Westbrook, by a smidge over our tandem
WR's- Cowboys, easy
TE- Witten and Fasano. Anthony would probably take significant time from LJ were he an Eagle this year.
OL- Eagles, until Davis proves he's worth the money
DL- Cowboys. The addition of Spencer spoils this, although De Marcus Ware is the best football player on the defensive side of the ball for either team.
S's- Eagles, B-Dawk is awesome
CB's- Cowboys. Newman has taken his game to a higher level and we will be healthy and deep here this season.

Reid vs Phillips= push. Neither has ever one anything significant, and that includes the NFC championship you captured three years ago, and the five (ho hum) division titles in a row.

Talon, we play to win World Championships- not just division titles.
 

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mmohican29;1548663 said:
Talon, we play to win World Championships- not just division titles.

That's a huge responsibility mmohican29, let's see what you've got in 2007.
 

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Phoenix-Talon;1542424 said:
Position by position sneak-peek snap shot look at who playing what position on both sides of the ball, and who in your opinion is the better athlete at that position ...

My choices (how I see it as an Eagles fan), will be in bold highlight.


QB Mcnabb versus Romo = Eagles

Westbrook versus Jones/Barber = Eagles

Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis versus T.O. and Terry Glenn = Dallas

L.J. Smith versus Jason Witten = Dallas

Eagles OLine versus Dallas Oline = Eagles
Gaither/Takeo Spikes/Trotter versus Ellis/James/Ayodele/Ware = Eagles

Brown, Shepperd and James versus Newman, Henry and Glenn = Dallas

Dawkins and Considine versus Roy Williams and Ken Hamlin = Dallas

Andy Reid versus Wade Phillips = Eagles

Feel free to make any modification or comments (I just want to dialogue, I'm not trying to be disrespectful of peave anyone).


Phoenix-Talon

not sure if the Eagles O-line is better than ours "this" year!
 

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Phoenix-Talon;1547336 said:
Buckhalter showed that he is definitely making a comeback in 2006. While I hope that his condition continues to Improve, I just sense that his injury may
come back to haunt him ...the Eagles can't take that chance. Enter ...Tony Hunt, and Nasty Nate. Hunt probably won't enter until Buckhalter is given an opportunity to show the he is ...all the way back. Tony Hunt provides depth and has the potential to tak over that position. I've just got a feeling that Nate will probable be held just as insurance.

Either way, the Eagles ground game will be a factor to deal with in 2007.

If Dallas gets Larry Johnson ...lokk out NFC!

Dallas is not getting LJ.
 

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Howdy Phoenix-Talon,

I don't agree wth all your conclusions, however you seem to at least be a reasonable fan. That I can appreciate

Good post.
 
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