Early Look At Mock Drafts Predicting Cowboys' 18th Pick

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Doomsday101 said:
Your right this draft has plenty of LB to choose from but there are not a lot of top FS to choose from. I'm not avdocating getting a FS only that it is a legit option for the Cowboys.
I hear you. Believe me I won't cry if Huff is there for us at 18.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
At least playing the 3-4 allows Dallas to look at both LB and DE who may be considered to small to play on the line, I think there is a lot more to choose from for the LB position. As for taking safety I think guys like Huff and Simpson are differance makers I know Huff clearly was for Texas and would have no problem should he be our pick

Huff, yes, I guess I'd be OK. I don't see the need to have 4 difference makers in your secondary, but I guess it wouldn't hurt.:) The Simpson pick, just seems like a reach for need at 18, when we could take some more legitimate first round LBs or OL.
 

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austintodallas said:
Well put and spot on! :bravo: We should be able to find a very servicable free safety in FA.

What this team needs is big, fast, mean linebackers and this draft has plenty of 'em.

Gimme some "mean"....that's what I want. A pissed off defense.
 

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austintodallas said:
I hear you. Believe me I won't cry if Huff is there for us at 18.

With him your looking at a guy who can play both the FS or CB position he gives a DC a lot of option because of his ability to play at both positions, he is a good tackler and a true ball hawk. Like yourself I will not be crying if by some chance Huff comes to Dallas.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Your right this draft has plenty of LB to choose from but there are not a lot of top FS to choose from. I'm not avdocating getting a FS only that it is a legit option for the Cowboys.

Huff or Jimmy Williams are the only two options I think would be value at our choice unless we trade down.
 

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superpunk said:
Huff, yes, I guess I'd be OK. I don't see the need to have 4 difference makers in your secondary, but I guess it wouldn't hurt.:) The Simpson pick, just seems like a reach for need at 18, when we could take some more legitimate first round LBs or OL.

I see a league that has many teams who like to put the ball up and as far as I'm concerned you can't have enough talent in the secondary these days but again I'm looking at many different options the Cowboys can choose from and I think we will be able to address a need and get a quailty player at 18 be it a FS,LB,OL or WR
 

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superpunk said:
Gimme some "mean"....that's what I want. A pissed off defense.
Amen Brother SuperPunk. That's what I'm talking about. 11 guys who act like you stole something from them.
 

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Hostile said:
Amen Brother SuperPunk. That's what I'm talking about. 11 guys who act like you stole something from them.

That's a reason I like D'Qwell Jackson so much. I've watched him for a couple years at maryland, and he is ALWAYS ticked off about something. He's small for a 3-4 ILB, but he is mean as heck. Probably a reach in the first, but I'll be celebrating heavily :beer1:if we get him in the second.
 

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Hostile said:
Amen Brother SuperPunk. That's what I'm talking about. 11 guys who act like you stole something from them.

I want aggressiveness but I want smart players who know what the situation is at all times.
 

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Alexander said:
Half our safety corps is manned by a scrub and bit player.

I agree with what you say, but I don't see LBer as more of a priority in the general sense.

But if we take a safety in the first round, we probably are not going to get the best player available.

We need 2 LBs. We need 1 S.

2 > 1.
 

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Hostile said:
Amen Brother SuperPunk. That's what I'm talking about. 11 guys who act like you stole something from them.

Imagine, a guy with the handle Hostile wanting mean, angry players. Sounds like a term paper for psych 101. :)

Actually, I am very glad that we have this post. Now Bill can kick back all spring and not have to worry about who he should pick. It isn't like he is going to surprise anyone and take a guy like Ware over Merriman, or trade down when the best two running backs are still on the board. He is so predictable in his drafting. :rolleyes:
 

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TheHustler said:
We need 2 LBs. We need 1 S.

2 > 1.

Just because you have a need for two LBers doesn't mean you automatically earmark round one for the position. Unless you really feel like having a bad draft.

Linebackers, particularly inside ones, can be found in the middle rounds.

So you look at what is available of your need areas and take the best player out of those need areas. Otherwise you are prioritizing by round and that leads to reaching.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I want aggressiveness but I want smart players who know what the situation is at all times.

Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but don't you think our defense lacks some of that aggressiveness, that "fire?" I just rarely see them get crazy about anything. It only takes one player to inspire that in others. I think maybe Ware has it, but IMO, it will take time for it to come out, as he adjusts to being a leader, and his new position. I was afraid he didn't.....which was why I was so thrilled when he picked up Faulk, and drilled him into the ground. Not that I had anything against Faulk, but it just showed me Ware was ticked, and was instilling some fire in the team. I really liked how he played at the end of the year. We need some more of that, IMO.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I want aggressiveness but I want smart players who know what the situation is at all times.
I have said many times the most underrated aspect of the game is the mental part.

That's one of the reasons why I like Parcells' focus last year on team Captains. Guys who are smart and know what everyone is supposed to be doing and focused on.
 

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Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but don't you think our defense lacks some of that aggressiveness, that "fire?" I just rarely see them get crazy about anything. It only takes one player to inspire that in others. I think maybe Ware has it, but IMO, it will take time for it to come out, as he adjusts to being a leader, and his new position. I was afraid he didn't.....which was why I was so thrilled when he picked up Faulk, and drilled him into the ground. Not that I had anything against Faulk, but it just showed me Ware was ticked, and was instilling some fire in the team. I really liked how he played at the end of the year. We need some more of that, IMO.

I don't think you need to be acting like Ray Lewis to get the job done. My concern is guys making plays if a guy gets off by jumping around then I have no problem with it but I want aggressive yet smart players because stupid guys get you beat. Stupid was allowing Moss to cut through the secondary 2 times late in the game and that stupidity cost us the game. I know some blamed the coaches but these guys in the secondary should have known what this situation was and damn well should have known you don't let the WR get behind you late in the game, let him catch it under neither but don't bite on the underneath and let the guy blow by you this is basic stuff that you are taught from Jr. high through college
 

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superpunk said:
Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but don't you think our defense lacks some of that aggressiveness, that "fire?" I just rarely see them get crazy about anything. It only takes one player to inspire that in others. I think maybe Ware has it, but IMO, it will take time for it to come out, as he adjusts to being a leader, and his new position. I was afraid he didn't.....which was why I was so thrilled when he picked up Faulk, and drilled him into the ground. Not that I had anything against Faulk, but it just showed me Ware was ticked, and was instilling some fire in the team. I really liked how he played at the end of the year. We need some more of that, IMO.
No, you're no alone in that thought. In my opinion we haven't had fire on this team since Irvin left and we haven't had defensive focus since Woody left. I want that fire and focus back in the worst way.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I don't think you need to be acting like Ray Lewis to get the job done. My concern is guys making plays if a guy gets off by jumping around then I have no problem with it but I want aggressive yet smart players because stupid guys get you beat. Stupid was allowing Moss to cut through the secondary 2 times late in the game and that stupidity cost us the game. I know some blamed the coaches but these guys in the secondary should have known what this situation was and damn well should have known you don't let the WR get behind you late in the game, let him catch it under neither but don't bite on the underneath and let the guy blow by you this is basic stuff that you are taught from Jr. high through college

Don't get me wrong, I hate guys getting up and showboating after they make a tackle for a half yard loss (Trotter....). I just want them to play like they're mad....can't quite put it into words, but I don't see it on this team, that often. It doesn't entail going crazy, or showboating, but more of an attitude, that I would know by seeing it.
 

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There's two things I think I know from looking at a lot of these mock drafts.

One is there are probably a dozen guys right now that will move up to 30 slots or down 30 slots in the 1st 2-3 rounds based on the combine and/or pro days. Typically one group of guys that will surge up are pass rushers that work out well. The OT market has gone from some mocks having 4 1st rounders to in some cases 2. Guys like Mcneil, Justice and Winston could improve/worsen their stock with a good combine.

But a lot of the mocks are trying to slot players in part based on perceived team needs. Obviously that part of the equation can/will change a lot based on the FA period. So that will change the predictions and depending on what we do will change our consensus on who the picks should be.

One final thought. It appears we are in kind of a no man's land at 18. The guy's that are bandied about for us mostly make us think "isn't he kind of a reach at 18" for various reasons. But then you look at pick #48 in round 2 and a much longer list of guys that we might like may be already gone. The great values in this draft, and that could change too, but right now they appear to be the first dozen picks of round 2. Ideally if we could make at least one and maybe even 2 trade downs we could maximize value. But that's easier said than done.
 

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I'm just another fan, I'm not a scout but this WR caught my eye, he was on the ESPN drills with Vince Young, he is smaller receiver, but guys he was blazing fast, it impressed me, I just can't see usieng 18 on an o-lineman, its not the usual way in the NFL these days, it will be one of the other holes..
 
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