Eatman says McFadden is a couple weeks away

[CalPolyTechnique]

Ya I don't get why people want McFadden over Dunbar or Jackson. Dude is over priced and we have cheaper and younger guys that can do what he does or even better

He's the most complete back on the roster outside of presumably Elliott. He's also not remotely expensive.

 

[Swanny]

You do realize everything you just said about Morris was said about McFadden before he came to Dallas? McFadden averaged 3.4, 3.3, and 3.3 yards per carry the 3 years before Dallas. Morris averaged 4.6, 4.1, and 3.7 the last 3 years. Oh and Matt Jones who is supposedly better than Morris, averaged 3.4 yards per carry. The Commanders went to Matt Jones because he was younger, and was a better receiving back when they decided to focus their offense as a pass happy one, which is the opposite of what Dallas wants to achieve. On top of all of that, Morris has never missed any games due to injury in his career. I can't believe people don't see how obvious it is that Morris is a better backup for the Cowboys.

You're right. But DMC has 1 season with us and proved it. I'll take DMC pass blocking and Catching over Morris. Im talking strictly talent and abilities. But when you factor in the contract and youth I think Morris wins out. Especially with DMC being injured.
I actually would keep both in case of injury to Zeke. Morris is the runner DMC the passing down back and kiss Dunbar goodbye.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I like Morris better than McFadden, but his 1600 yard rushing season was aided by a rookie RG3 season when the NFL didn't know how to defend their zone read plays. Elliot is a pre-injury version of Edgerrin James. Elliot is a guy who is going to get Dez, Williams, Witten, and Beasley more space and open looks. Morris and McFadden are not those kind of guys.

You don't need him to do that in his role. He's not competition for Elliott. What he is though is a competent all-around back, which Dunbar isn't. McFadden may not be All-World, but he's proven he's capable of being the lead back in case of injury to Elliott, and has a demonstrated ability to catch the ball and pass protect. That's a very valuable insurance policy to have.

 

[UTmodisette]

He's the most complete back on the roster outside of presumably Elliott. He's also not remotely expensive.

It's overstated how much better of a complete back he is compared to Morris. Yes he has better top end speed, and is better at pass blocking, but he is worse at short yardage plays, getting dirty yards, and breaking tackles. Plus McFadden runs better in man blocking schemes, while Dallas prefers zone blocking schemes which Morris excels in. Only ways for McFadden to make the roster is if they decide Jackson can't cut it, or they decide to value McFadden over Dunbar as a third down back. McFadden is not going to beat out Morris for the backup job.

 

[Teague31]

Morris is tailor made for zone blocking. That's why he is going to be the back up.

 

[jazzcat22]

I vet trying to get out of camp.....

It really sends the wrong message to everyone else....

Just like Moore is trying to get out of camp?

 

[Califan007]

Morris began the year as a starter and lost out, averaged less than four a carry. Mcfadden didn't begin as a starter and did more. He was better last year.

The guy he "lost out" to averaged less per carry than he did, so....lol

 

[BAZ]

The guy he "lost out" to averaged less per carry than he did, so....lol

So what's your point?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's overstated how much better of a complete back he is compared to Morris. Yes he has better top end speed, and is better at pass blocking, but he is worse at short yardage plays, getting dirty yards, and breaking tackles. Plus McFadden runs better in man blocking schemes, while Dallas prefers zone blocking schemes which Morris excels in. Only ways for McFadden to make the roster is if they decide Jackson can't cut it, or they decide to value McFadden over Dunbar as a third down back. McFadden is not going to beat out Morris for the backup job.

That's a completely bunk claim.

McFadden was in the Top 10 for most successful "short-yardage" RBs last year; he not only successfully converted more short yardage runs, but also had more attempts than anyone in that Top 10 by a wide margin.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news...-yardage-running-backs-of-the-2015-nfl-season

"Short-yardage" meaning successfully converting first downs (or touchdowns) from two yards away or less.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's a completely bunk claim.

McFadden was in the Top 10 for most successful "short-yardage" RBs last year; he not only successfully converted more short yardage runs, but also had more attempts than anyone in that Top 10 by a wide margin.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news...-yardage-running-backs-of-the-2015-nfl-season

"Short-yardage" meaning successfully converting first downs (or touchdowns) from two yards away or less.

He had 3 TDs.......not seeing it with McFadden man

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He had 3 TDs.......not seeing it with McFadden man

The definition says "successfully converting first downs (and touchdowns) from two yards away or less."

He had more successful short-yardage first down conversions than anyone in the league at a conversion rate that placed him in the Top 10. Those are high stakes "dirty yard" conversions folks are bogusly claiming he didn't make.

Also, how many goal line opportunities did we really have with Weeden and Cassell at the helm? The passing game typically sets up the run game, specifically in the red zone. There are clear contributing factors; stats in team sports can't be looked at in a vacuum.

 

[mattjames2010]

If Dunbar gets healthy, we need to say goodbye to McFadden.

McFadden doesn't bring anything to the table as a change of pace back. He was trash in that role last year and even worse in Oakland. He's a guy that needs to be fed carries to get going, he's no longer that super speedster like he was in college. Problem here is, he's also highly injury prone, so the more carries you give him the chances go up and up he'll be icing himself on the sidelines.

You could make a case to make him the scatback. But Dunbar is simply better in that role. So, an injury prone 29 year old RB who is an average to a little above average runner/receiver or a 26 year old scatback that showed he could be great in that role last year? One you can find off the street at any point in the year, the other is a little tougher to find.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

If Dunbar gets healthy, we need to say goodbye to McFadden.

McFadden doesn't bring anything to the table as a change of pace back. He was trash in that role last year and even worse in Oakland. He's a guy that needs to be fed carries to get going, he's no longer that super speedster like he was in college. Problem here is, he's also highly injury prone, so the more carries you give him the chances go up and up he'll be icing himself on the sidelines.

You could make a case to make him the scatback. But Dunbar is simply better in that role. So, an injury prone 29 year old RB who is an average to a little above average runner/receiver or a 26 year old scatback that showed he could be great in that role last year? One you can find off the street at any point in the year, the other is a little tougher to find.

Only problem is Dunbar is always hurt and likely won't be coming off PUP anytime soon. Nothing has been said in regard to a time table for him and he isn't doing any work with the training staff at camp yet.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The definition says "successfully converting first downs (and touchdowns) from two yards away or less."

He had more successful short-yardage first down conversions than anyone in the league at a conversion rate that placed him in the Top 10. Those are high stakes "dirty yard" conversions folks are bogusly claiming he didn't make.

Also, how many goal line opportunities did we really have with Weeden and Cassell at the helm? The passing game typically sets up the run game, specifically in the red zone. There are clear contributing factors; stats in team sports can't be looked at in a vacuum.

I'm talking points.....which McFadden failed to do. Long runs, short runs doesn't matter 3 TDs is terrible and can be upgraded

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I'm talking points.....which McFadden failed to do. Long runs, short runs doesn't matter 3 TDs is terrible and can be upgraded

And if you don't believe a completely inept passing game impacts what your offense does in the middle of the field (between the 20s), which directly effects the number of opportunities in the redzone, you're missing the point.

In 2014, Demarco Murray had 56 attempts in the red zone with Romo at QB.
In 2015, McFadden had just 26 with QBs not named Romo.

 

[CyberB0b]

Al's biggest knocks were his lack of contribution to the passing game in blocking and catching passes. He looked good on the screens in the first preseason game. I didn't really want him here, but it looks like he will beat out McFadden for his spot.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Dunbar gets healthy, we need to say goodbye to McFadden.

That is a big IF.

Even bigger IF - can he stay healthy?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

And if you don't believe a completely inept passing game impacts what your offense does in the middle of the field (between the 20s), which directly effects the number of opportunities in the redzone, you're missing the point.

In 2014, Demarco Murray had 56 attempts in the red zone with Romo at QB.
In 2015, McFadden had just 26 with QBs not named Romo.

3 TDs......you can't make excuses for 3 TDs as the featured back with the best OL in football. Mcfadden is terrible at breaking tackles and is the main reason his touchdown totals are so low. Slice it however you want

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

3 TDs......you can't make excuses for 3 TDs as the featured back with the best OL in football. Mcfadden is terrible at breaking tackles and is the main reason his touchdown totals are so low. Slice it however you want

Translated: "Don't confuse me with the facts, let me spin my theories; I believe what I wanna believe."

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Translated: "Don't confuse me with the facts, let me spin my theories; I believe what I wanna believe."

3 TDs is a theory huh......sure thing man whatever you say