ECU's Chris Johnson Named 1st Team All-America

[DFWJC]

Change-Up Draft 2008
22. Brandon Alberts OG Virginia
28. Traded to Atlanta for 34 and 68
34. Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
61. Tyrell Johnson S Arkansas State
68. Red Bryant DT Texas A&M
92. Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky
122. Marcus Monk WR Arkansas
155. Adam Jones CB West Virginia

Hey Fuzzy. I like your trade idea except value-wise, it would take pick 22 get get 34 and 68.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just received Kiper's book...

Chris Johnson is the 5th rated back, going in round 2 to Carolina with pick #43.

I guess this thread can be closed now that the master has spoken.

 

[dbair1967]

Randall Williams couldnt run routes and had no hands both which CJ can already handle. He is by far the most versatile back in this draft. He can run the ball, return kicks and catch passes at a high level for a rookie coming into the league.

McFadden does all that, plus he can pass



David

 

[AsthmaField]

Just received Kiper's book...

Chris Johnson is the 5th rated back, going in round 2 to Carolina with pick #43.

I guess this thread can be closed now that the master has spoken.

Why would Carolina take CJ with D. Williams already onboard?

Kiper must have the beginnings of Alzheimer's.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Why would Carolina take CJ with D. Williams already onboard?

Kiper must have the beginnings of Alzheimer's.

It's the newest "in" thing Asthma...

If you have a productive back on the roster you automatically have to spend a high draft pick on another.

Man-law I believe.

 

[dbair1967]

Why would Carolina take CJ with D. Williams already onboard?

Kiper must have the beginnings of Alzheimer's.

Carolina is likely to a RB...dubt it would be CJ, but they probably will take a RB

some people think they'll take Mendenhall or Stewart

David

 

[jterrell]

McFadden does all that, plus he can pass



David

There is zero point in debating guy who is gargling someone's mayo. It is pretty clear some people think CJ looks the best in the uniform and nothing else matters. So we are going to continue to get this hyperbole about a guy who is rated about the 40-50th best player in the draft on anyone sane's board.

I suspect CJ is going to be a poor man's Devin Hester as a rookie and perhaps evolve into a Brian Westbrook type. The problem is while we really need the former, this isn't exactly the offense for the latter. Our 3rd down back needs to be able to seriously block so Witten can get deep middle and T.O. can run crossing routes. No matter how good CJ seems a collegiate receiver out of the backfield he doesn't compare to those two and someone has to block.

While some people call CJ "versatile". I'd call him a specialist. He is a low carry, slotback, return man. Nothing at all wrong with that by the way, but you do not want to spend first rounders there.

 

[DFWJC]

Why would Carolina take CJ with D. Williams already onboard?

Kiper must have the beginnings of Alzheimer's.

Most think D-Will will not carry the load by himself....and his speed is average or below at 4.55. They do want another RB from what I hear. But I see your point in that I'm thinking Williams would stay on the field for 3rd downs. Maybe they want a tandem like before.

Then again, maybe Kiper is losing it.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's the newest "in" thing Asthma...

If you have a productive back on the roster you automatically have to spend a high draft pick on another.

Man-law I believe.

I thought the newest "in" thing was that a team could only draft a RB that is unlike their current RB. i.e. if you have a big bruising RB with only fair speed, you have to draft a small fast "scatback" that isn't an every down RB... and vice versa. You can't have an every down RB backing up an every down RB.

 

[AsthmaField]

Carolina is likely to a RB...dubt it would be CJ, but they probably will take a RB

some people think they'll take Mendenhall or Stewart

David

Right... just not another small, fast RB. They need someone who can carry a full load to go with Williams... or so that's what I hear.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is zero point in debating guy who is gargling someone's mayo. It is pretty clear some people think CJ looks the best in the uniform and nothing else matters. So we are going to continue to get this hyperbole about a guy who is rated about the 40-50th best player in the draft on anyone sane's board.

I suspect CJ is going to be a poor man's Devin Hester as a rookie and perhaps evolve into a Brian Westbrook type. The problem is while we really need the former, this isn't exactly the offense for the latter. Our 3rd down back needs to be able to seriously block so Witten can get deep middle and T.O. can run crossing routes. No matter how good CJ seems a collegiate receiver out of the backfield he doesn't compare to those two and someone has to block.

While some people call CJ "versatile". I'd call him a specialist. He is a low carry, slotback, return man. Nothing at all wrong with that by the way, but you do not want to spend first rounders there.

No its more like people like you feel the need to bash him on baseless nonsenes.

CJ carried the ball about 20 times a game last year. Yeah thats low carry....

Actually if Barber is going to take on the load then i could very easily see him taking on Barbers old role of one seris a game plus a lot of third downs. And depending on how the defense is working we need a guy that can catch underneath and excel. That is CJ. Him going deep is just a bonus. Yes he needs to work on his blocking technique but he doesnt miss assignments and its not as if Barber was all world back there as a blocker. he was decent but not what i could even classify as above average. Jones was better at pass blocking than Barber.

Really you talking about sanity but youre just stating your opinion and then when someones is different you try to bash them with sexual innuendos and baseless digs at people's mental health.

You say that hes a 40 to 50 back. Others includint me say hes a 25 to 40 range. Its not that were coming completely out of left field and its not like no one that is in the know doesnt agree with us. Gosselin who is pretty respected around draftnik circles has him going at 20 to Denver. Is he stupid and trying to get CJ's man batter too?

Our opinion is different and i am getting very tired of your childish ad hominems because someone has a different opinion. At the very least try and make informed observations to back them up.

Low carry?

 

[AsthmaField]

There is zero point in debating guy who is gargling someone's mayo.

 

[TheCount]

You say that hes a 40 to 50 back. Others includint me say hes a 25 to 40 range. Its not that were coming completely out of left field and its not like no one that is in the know doesnt agree with us. Gosselin who is pretty respected around draftnik circles has him going at 20 to Denver. Is he stupid and trying to get CJ's man batter too?

If he thinks the Denver Broncos will take a RB 20th overall after they couldn't stop the run for their lives last year and have had zero problems finding RB's to tote the rock, then yes.

Just about everyone would jump on him in the second round for the Cowboys, but that's not enough for you guys.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

It's the newest "in" thing Asthma...

If you have a productive back on the roster you automatically have to spend a high draft pick on another.

Man-law I believe.

I believe its called a 2 back system

 

[DFWJC]

Gosselin who is pretty respected around draftnik circles has him going at 20 to Denver.

Hey Fuzzy......just a sidenote here. That was not Gosselin's actual Mock draft or even what he thinks will happen. But it was what he called a best player available draft--which had the RBs going very early. He does not think it will unfold like this. This Sunday will be a more realistic draft of what he thinks will happen and then the following Sunday he'll update it.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Hey Fuzzy......just a sidenote here. That was not Gosselin's actual Mock draft or even what he thinks will happen. But it was what he called a best player available draft--which had the RBs going very early. He does not think it will unfold like this. This Sunday will be a more realistic draft of what he thinks will happen and then the following Sunday he'll update it.

Mister-- you just found yourself a place on Fuzzy's s***list.


I'd hate to be in your shoes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If he thinks the Denver Broncos will take a RB 20th overall after they couldn't stop the run for their lives last year and have had zero problems finding RB's to tote the rock, then yes.

Just about everyone would jump on him in the second round for the Cowboys, but that's not enough for you guys.

Excuse me it was Tampa at 20 and this is what Goose had to say about this particular draft.

This is the first of three Rick Gosselin mock drafts. It is based on a draft board compiled through discussions with NFL talent evaluators. This mock draft primarily adopts the best-player-available philosophy. Next weekend's mock draft will more heavily weigh team needs.

In other words hes talked to NFL talent evaluators and he is BPA around 20.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mister-- you just found yourself a place on Fuzzy's s***list.


I'd hate to be in your shoes.

Actually that just means that he thinks CJ is BPA around the 20 slot.

 

[DFWJC]

Right... just not another small, fast RB. They need someone who can carry a full load to go with Williams... or so that's what I hear.

JMO, but if I was drafting for Carolina and wanted a back to go with D-Will and I was not picking in Round 1 (so no Stewart or Mendenhall), I would consider a guy like Forte in round 3.

 

[jterrell]

No its more like people like you feel the need to bash him on baseless nonsenes.

CJ carried the ball about 20 times a game last year. Yeah thats low carry....

Actually if Barber is going to take on the load then i could very easily see him taking on Barbers old role of one seris a game plus a lot of third downs. And depending on how the defense is working we need a guy that can catch underneath and excel. That is CJ. Him going deep is just a bonus. Yes he needs to work on his blocking technique but he doesnt miss assignments and its not as if Barber was all world back there as a blocker. he was decent but not what i could even classify as above average. Jones was better at pass blocking than Barber.

Really you talking about sanity but youre just stating your opinion and then when someones is different you try to bash them with sexual innuendos and baseless digs at people's mental health.

You say that hes a 40 to 50 back. Others includint me say hes a 25 to 40 range. Its not that were coming completely out of left field and its not like no one that is in the know doesnt agree with us. Gosselin who is pretty respected around draftnik circles has him going at 20 to Denver. Is he stupid and trying to get CJ's man batter too?

Our opinion is different and i am getting very tired of your childish ad hominems because someone has a different opinion. At the very least try and make informed observations to back them up.

Low carry?

It makes me happy when people use big words but gives me sadface when they are misused. Ad hominem is an attack against a person and ignoring their argument. It is for instance saying so and so is stupid therefore the argument is stupid. What I did was say various CJ backers are not going to hear reason and detailed where this player is ranked by virtually everyone with some reason: 5th back or so and 40th to 50th player.

The stats and facts have been laid bare about this guy for months. BTW, CJ rushed 18.15 times per game as a senior not 20 and he only did that with a 28 carry bowl game factored in. He was at 13 or so carries per game for his career. For a college back that is ridiculously low. Especially for a team like ECU that might have 2 or 3 draft-able guys on the entire squad. See Ray Rice at Rutgers. The best players usually get tons of work because they are so far superior to the other options. That got excused for Barber at Minnesota because of the other backs they had, same as Reggie Bush at USC but ECU didn't have a backfield who could provide CJ relief without losing something.

I did appreciate the Goose comeback but Goose has routinely stated he doesn't believe in these mocks and only puts one out under duress from the paper. If he says to not take it seriously then it makes it a rather weak argument of authority.

If you are merely arguing 25 to 40 than I can live with that.

Players in that range have warts. Your posts do not mention any warts and champion CJ over guys ranked 20 slots higher by virtually everyone.

Alas, we shall all see soon. The draft is near and then the season will get here.

I ranked Reggie Bush far lower than most people and will continue to rank guys who weigh 200 or less, near 6 foot tall and claim great speed as their largest caveat lower than other more natural running backs. Same reason I'd pick a Kenyan over a Sumo wrestler in a marathon. There is a long proven history of what body types succeed.

I think CJ has a place in the NFL but it as a specialist not a running back.

When you run a 4.2 and the defenses you play have no player higher than a 4.6 almost every week then you will get great stats. That doesn't mean you are a great running back and can duplicate that in the NFL. But a guy with good hands and some WR experience who is a proven KO return guy has value.