Ed Werder on the herd

[kingwhicker]

No, I don't think Jones is going to bring back Jerry's Kids or anything like that. He knows they have no chance if they do. It's just that there is a palpable sense of failure around the team now and no matter what he does nothing works. It's not his fault, I don't think it is the coaches' faults, I guess that leaves the players who on paper look to be really good but I think we are starting to realize they are leaderless and mental midgets.

 

[1fisher]

So, some freakin' talkin' head spews gloom and doom, and you guys go runnin' for your cups, to make sure you get some of the grape kool-aid??

When Werder had a bit of an in to the Cowboys' locker room, it was because he was a Parcells crony; what makes you think that ANYBODY inside Valley Ranch is talkin' to him??

More to the point, wasn't it desperation time this time last year, when Parcells packed it in?? Didn't we all hear about how the Cowboys were doomed, with Jerry back in charge??

And how did all that gloom and doom work out??

I swear, some of you Chicken Littles just never learn...

you're right SB..... This place was blowing up this time last year. Kind of ES like.

I'm sure we'll be just fine.

 

[Rampage]

Werder never lets the facts get in the way of a good story. Our core players, Ware, Romo, Witten, Barber, James, Canty etc. are all entering their prime or in their prime. Only T.O., and that's a big piece of the puzzle, is in the twilight. Although the way he takes care of himself and the season he had you could argue he has planty left in the tank.
They are the 4th youngest team in the NFL, I have a hard time seeing this thing turning into a disaster quickly. This is why I try and avoid the mainstream media and jerks like Werder after a tough defeat like Sunday's.

that's a refreshing thought

 

[Hostile]

that's a refreshing thought

It really was. I actually felt my blood pressure come down.

 

[justbob]

With all the doom and gloom, the 'boys should just forfeit the 2008 season.

What will we do with the "zone" ---Without Jerry to complain about, we will be turning all the chicken little zoners loose on the real world... It will be the end of the NBA -MLB and pro golf

 

[Woods]

I don't agree. Sorry, I just don't. For 5 years Jerry has stepped away from that old role and sees the team on the pinnacle of the promised land and he's going to revert to old ways?

Not buying it.

I don't think he reverts back, either.

Esp from what we saw after BP left. I'm not sure he could have done a better job.

 

[AmishCowboy]

He's speculating. The same speculation last year and yet Jerry still had the Scouting Department heavily involved. This speculation will be the same every year.

Jerry always had Final say, so what's new?.

 

[Marktui]

Give me a break, the reason in the 90's we lost so much talent was because we didn't have salary cap space. We have tons of cap room, Jerry has done nothing but try and bring in more talent to the team. Jerry knows whats up, if he tries to be cheap he will lose his good players to other teams.

As far as the draft, we still have personel out there scouting the players, Ireland was in charge of the scouts, Im sure someone will be elevated to this position. The scouts still have the blueprint of what type of players we need, I think we will be fine.

 

[the kid 05]

Wasn't there an article stating that Jerry learned from his mistakes and found out he doesn't know as much as he thought when it came to talent evaluation so he relies on the guys he pays to scout the players?

 

[dmq]

I would be more worried if this was the same JJ that got full of himself in the early 90's. I think his whole perspective on who to select in FA and the draft has changed a bit. W/ all of the mistakes he has made, how could it not?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Exactly. Werder was nicknamed the "Voice of Doom" back when we were winning everything in the 90s, so what do you expect now?

I bet he predicted we'd suck this year when Parcells left, too. Sorry, Ed.

Not to mention he predicted Parcells was going to retire after 2003, 2004, and 2005. I guess if you predict it enough, eventually it will come true.




YAKUZA

 

[Hostile]

I don't think he reverts back, either.

Esp from what we saw after BP left. I'm not sure he could have done a better job.

I think Jerry's off season job in 2007 was the best he has done since the Dynasty days. He has a hard task improving upon it IMO. He conducted a very thorough coaching search and assembled a very good staff that related well to the players. They've drafted kids who buy into this team. Can it improve? My goodness yes, but we have young players and they need to groom. I expect a big leap forward in 2008. 2007 was better than my early expactations and then way below my late expectations.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I expect a big leap forward in 2008.

Hang on a sec.

I thought the sky was falling.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't agree. Sorry, I just don't. For 5 years Jerry has stepped away from that old role and sees the team on the pinnacle of the promised land and he's going to revert to old ways?

Not buying it.

Jerry reverting to his old ways is a concern because old habits die hard. That being said, Werder's statement is asinine because Jones has been in the same exact role as decision maker that he was back in the mid to late 90's.

Werder is the same hypocrite that chastises Jones for getting Hamlin and Leonard Davis and neglects other things like Jones drafting Nick Folk (how much did field goal kicking KILL Dallas in the Parcells era?).

From one thing I've learned about Jones is that if he has success with something, he'll never be afraid to try it again (i.e. see the profile of our O-Linemen and the type of WR he usually drafts). When Dallas struggled, it was when he tried to do things like drafting talented, but volatile players. It worked in the early to mid-90's, but after that it just didn't seem to work. Now, he's had success with Parcells' roster building philosophies and my guess is that he'll continue with them.



YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think Jerry's off season job in 2007 was the best he has done since the Dynasty days.

Absolutely. And outside of maybe Scott Pioli, he should be named Executive of the Year.




YAKUZA

 

[Woods]

I think Jerry's off season job in 2007 was the best he has done since the Dynasty days. He has a hard task improving upon it IMO. He conducted a very thorough coaching search and assembled a very good staff that related well to the players. They've drafted kids who buy into this team. Can it improve? My goodness yes, but we have young players and they need to groom. I expect a big leap forward in 2008. 2007 was better than my early expactations and then way below my late expectations.

With respect to expectations, that's a very good way to put it.

If you had asked me last year at this time whether we would win the NFC East, win 13 games, hire excellent coaches, etc., I would have been skeptical. In fact, I was hoping for a 10 winning game season and just make the playoffs.

After 2/3 of the season was over, I was really hoping for a playoff win. Anything more than that would have been icing on the cake.

 

[iceberg]

If that happens, all we can hope for is Jerry pushing daisies ASAP.

geez people - wishing people dead is a tad much, isn't it?

 

[dmq]

Lets not forget that Stephen Jones is a big part of what is going on around here. He seems like a very level headed guy and I am sure he is more of an influence on Jerry now then years past.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Werder is the same hypocrite that chastises Jones for getting Hamlin and Leonard Davis and neglects other things like Jones drafting Nick Folk (how much did field goal kicking KILL Dallas in the Parcells era?).

Yep.

When Dallas struggled, it was when he tried to do things like drafting talented, but volatile players. It worked in the early to mid-90's, but after that it just didn't seem to work. Now, he's had success with Parcells' roster building philosophies and my guess is that he'll continue with them.

Agree... My one hope is that we don't go back to drafting the Derek Rosses and Antonio Bryants that are talented but have drug or behavioral problems that make them total washouts. As long as we stick with pretty solid character guys, I think we'll be fine. We did it last year with Spencer, Marten, Free, and Stanback, so there's hope. (Of course, some will give Ireland all the credit for that, but it's not very hard to avoid the thugs and headcases if you want to.)

I know one thing... I've never rooted harder for Jerry than now, just to prove all the doomsayers wrong.

 

[Hostile]

Give me a break, the reason in the 90's we lost so much talent was because we didn't have salary cap space. We have tons of cap room, Jerry has done nothing but try and bring in more talent to the team. Jerry knows whats up, if he tries to be cheap he will lose his good players to other teams.

As far as the draft, we still have personel out there scouting the players, Ireland was in charge of the scouts, Im sure someone will be elevated to this position. The scouts still have the blueprint of what type of players we need, I think we will be fine.

That is part of it. We also lost guys to the ends of their careers and retirements, plus injuries. For a while there Jerry did not draft well. There's no doubt about that.

But people who point only at Jerry's Drafts as proof he is not a football man need to remember these names.

1994...
2…Larry Allen, G, Sonoma State
10 time Pro Bowl...1995-2001, 03-05
7 time All Pro...1995-2001

1997...
3…Dexter Coakley, DB, Appalachian State
3 time Pro Bowl...1999-00, 03

1998...
1…Greg Ellis, DE, North Carolina
2…Flozell Adams, T, Michigan State
4 time Pro Bowl...2003-04, 06 & 07
1 time All Pro...2007

2002...
1…Roy Williams, DB, Oklahoma
5 time Pro Bowl...2003-07
2…Andre Gurode, G, Colorado
2 time Pro Bowl...2006 & 2007


Some may not like those players, one in particular, but they are all post Jimmy, pre Tuna Draft picks who have made positive contributions to this team. All of the Draft picks last year are post Tuna and 6 of them look pretty promising to me.