Ed Werder: Reducing Daks role in the offense!

[SultanOfSix]

You are correct the Herschel Walker trade resulted in a bunch of bad draft picks and Troy carried the team all by himself with his career 161 TD's to 141 INT's.

No one said Troy “carried” the team. They said he was integral part of the efficiency of those teams. Strawman and hyperbole.

 

[Chasing6]

No one said Troy “carried” the team. They said he was integral part of the efficiency of those teams. Strawman and hyperbole.

How could be a good team with bad draft picks?

 

[SultanOfSix]

How could be a good team with bad draft picks?

Are you lost in the desert or something?

 

[Chasing6]

Why are you effectively repeating the gist of what I said? You brought up Troy like he’s comparable to Dak. He’s not.

And your comparison of what Troy had after Jimmy and what Romo had after Parcells is a false equivalence. What Troy had was one of the worst drafting teams in the league. What Dak has had for the vast majority of his career has been consistently rated as one of the better drafting teams in the league due to McClay and company.

Also what Troy had was massive impacting FA's and Dak has had none.

 

[JonesBoys]

His dedication of an entire draft to special teams ranks up there.

There’s so many we should try to rank a top 10.

 

[JonesBoys]

The best player in the league or his position doesn't necessarily get the richest contract. Contrary, it's typically based on timing and market value. We've been over this before, but some people just don't like the fact its Dak getting the "richest contract" at this moment, at the QB position. How dare Jerry. It's been killing the fan base all season, including fooling us that because of the contract, Jerry is hand-tied. It has gone the length of making Cooper Rush a second team All Pro on this board and dismissing all the other failures that reveal this team as pretenders, weekly and all season. Hatred is blind.

I have beachfront property in Wyoming for sale.

You still don’t get it? Even if it’s timing of the market etc, when you pay a player that much money you would expect them not to be a liability that you have to use less. Take the richest contract out of you want, how about a crap ton of money? Do you give a crap ton of money to a player and then a year later need to plan around that player and call that successful?

 

[JonesBoys]

Imagine not giving him his contract that would have been cheaper than he current and previous on two to three occasions but you decided to pay Collins, Smith, Zeke, Cooper and then try to negotiate in the public and make him the villain. They could have had Dak for a 90M for 7 years at one point but they mishandled it. So, then you make him play against his strengths during contract years and he banks on himself and balls out and bc they mishandled how they used him scheme wise and made him do more than he should have, and then wanted to wait until all these other QBs got paid vs just playing him. Now people are like man he shouldnt be doing this or that, well hell, if you had a real coach they would have seen that a long time ago bc hell even Garrett realized that at one point and we had alot of success but it seems like he went away from it and MM has never figured this out and now everyone is coming for Dak lol. You should be coming for Jerry and the coaching staff bc they are the reason we are here with this issue.

There is no point in coming after Jerry, we all know he’s the ultimate problem that can’t be fixed. My post was more coming at Jerry than Dak. I like Dak, I just don’t think he was worth that money and they know it as well hence they have to plan around him but yet gave him all that money. Dak has limitations and he needs certain players and system around him to succeed yet they paid him like he can carry the team on his back like Mahomes with less talent around him.

 

[Cmac]

You still don’t get it? Even if it’s timing of the market etc, when you pay a player that much money you would expect them not to be a liability that you have to use less. Take the richest contract out of you want, how about a crap ton of money? Do you give a crap ton of money to a player and then a year later need to plan around that player and call that successful?

I'm saying the same......apparently you expect one player to carry a team, if he's paid. Have you seen the 'Boys and what they put on the field....regardless of it being Dak, Cooper, or Lance today? You been ok with what has been on the field? That says it all and Jerry apologizing to McCarthy for such a roster now. That roster helped no one that thought winning was possible on a consistent basis.

 

[bluemagic4ever]

There is no point in coming after Jerry, we all know he’s the ultimate problem that can’t be fixed. My post was more coming at Jerry than Dak. I like Dak, I just don’t think he was worth that money and they know it as well hence they have to plan around him but yet gave him all that money. Dak has limitations and he needs certain players and system around him to succeed yet they paid him like he can carry the team on his back like Mahomes with less talent around him.

I dont think alot of people were worth the bag they got before he got paid in between this contract too but bc Jerry and Stephen handled this so poorly they overpaid bc they were stubborn. And honestly, I want you to list how many QBs who have gotten paid outside of Mahomes, Allen, who havent needed support/system.

I can debate Tua, Goff, Lawrence, Hurts, Watson, Cousins, Murray, A Rod are guys who are all overpaid and cant carry their teams, Daniel Jones contract last year was foolishness. They all have weapons, some have better coaching and systems in place. If Dallas stops with their horrible front office methods maybe they wouldnt have to overpay soo much. They are going to have to deal with market as every team does but when you keep using their methods you make it hard on yourself in negotiations.

Dak is more than capable of winning. I think he has shown that. Can he do it slinging the ball 40 times a game- on occasions, but that shouldnt be depended on, bc then you see struggles. He has always benefited and played better with a running game, and heavy play action. When they tried to start making him mimic Romos strengths is where they started this issue. Had him in shotgun all the time, and he did good on occasions and struggle in others and then coaching/FO decided to continue this path. Which is why coaching and development is important in the equation but instead of going back to what he does well, Dallas has built a team around what he is inconsistency good and exposing his weakness. But he manages to bet on himself and ball out on those moments. Then instead of either paying him before hand before the market raises, they wait and then try to negotiate in the media, low ball him, make him the villian and guess what, they still gotta pay him bc they manage their roster wrong and that media negotiating doesnt work and they have to pay more than he is worth bc their approach is wrong. They need to stop using void years and triggers on guys they want to possible let go in 2/3 years but they dont. So they end up converting to bonus' and then the cap hit is so high they can afford to cut them and when someone ends up retiring or getting cut, they have all this dead money. They paid Romo for years after he was gone.

So yes Jerry is the problem. Dak contract is a result of Jerry and Stephens inability to negotiate effectively and construct the roster effectively. If they had negotiations behind closed doors, and Jerry and Stephen stopped talking so much, and it didnt work out then guess what, Dak could have played out his last contract, MM would have been expired and you could have had a better situation and not have overplayed Dak and maybe a fresh start, and then they dont look like poor management. Could have played Lance and said lets see what we have. Better yet you could have just traded for Lance, gave him an 1-2 extension which wouldnt have been alot bc of his value leaving SF, then you could have played out the season and protected yourself it Dak had a bad year or got hurt. Dak contract isnt an reflection of him not being worth it - its more about our front office and their horrible approach in contracts and not getting the team what is needed to build around what they have and coaching staff not scheming or creating offense around players strengths.