Edwards vs. Roy comparison

[ethiostar]

Absolutely. He had good hands in his NFL career until the last few years, when all of a sudden he started dropping stuff. He gets put on a good team and, like magic, his hands return. Roy has certainly never done anything on the Cowboys to impress anyone. Braylon went up and got some balls yesterday that Roy would never get. Hell, Roy wouldn't even be in position. He'd be ten yards behind.

and he's only been in the NFL for what 4 years going into his 5th?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You kiddin me? Manning, Ryan and Rivers would dissect this defense. Sanchez would probably be up and down but he'd make the plays.

This defense has it work cut out for itself in the next month. These next 4 games are TOUGH. All of those teams are capable and all have good QBs. Dallas has only played 2 good QBs this season and came up short to both. Wade better be burning the candle at both ends over the bye.

That's my point.

Miami's Secondary may be the weakness of their Defense, but it isn't like they have been playing weak Quarterbacks.

It's quite the opposite.

 

[Alexander]

Good point. Romo definitely needs to learn to give Roy a chance.

Or one of two other things has to happen.

Roy Williams needs to get open more or the routes he's running need to be refined to make that happen. More slants and drags might be better than trying to have him running deeper patterns that require more separation. Maybe we are doing that, I don't know. Making Romo have to adjust seems a riskier proposition.

 

[Mash]

Agreed.

Yesterday, Michael Irvin was questioning why Miles Austin had been targeted 15 times and maximum number of times Roy Williams has only been targeted is 7.

I don't believe that Tony Romo "trusts" Miles Austin more then he does Roy Williams. I believe Miles Austin is getting open and therefore, giving himself an opportunity to be targeted.

Agreed!......Roy isnt targeted because he doesnt get seperation on alot of routes that he is asked to run. Romo wont throw it to a covered WR.....because if he does....everyone will claim he is forcing the ball to Roy

I always liked Edwards.....his hands are suspect...but the Jets picked him up because they needed a WR that can beat bump and run man coverage. The Jets noticed that the Saints exploited that.......

We on the other hand....have RW and Crayton...and they are both possession receivers that have a hard time beating man coverage. We need Austin to be our threat to keep DC's honest.

 

[Hoofbite]

Michael Irvin didn't think he was getting open either.

I agree with your thoughts on Roy Williams. I remember when Keyshawn Johnson was here and they would talk about how Drew Bledsoe had to understand that Keyshawn Johnson could catch balls in tight coverage.

Tony Romo may be a little gun shy when trying to fit the ball into tight spaces. Plus he has a tight end that is developing an almost legendary reputation for just being open every play.

I think the $1 million question is, does Roy Williams have the type of game Miles Austin had against the Chiefs?

I don't know that he does.

He doesn't. Simply put, he doesn't.

Anyone saying he would is fooling themselves. Miles made a lot of that by himself after the catch. Roy doesn't have the top end speed to break away like Miles did.

It really doesn't matter because he doesn't need to have those games. I suppose to satisfy some of the hounds he does but in reality the team doesn't need him to light the world on fire.

Be a possession guy who moves the sticks. That's it. If he could get a handful of balls per game and keep drives alive while creating a mismatch in the redzone, he'll be doing his job. I would live with 70 yards/game and touchdown every other week. 1100-1200 yards and 8-10 TDs is perfect.

 

[TheCount]

Edwards is better than Roy. It's not even close. He's faster, has better hands, runs better routes, and goes up and gets the ball better.

Please stop posting.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually Roy's 40 time is better then Austins. Roy is a long legged tall guy- it takes them a little while to get it in gear. At top speed few will catch either Roy or Austin.

 

[superpunk]

That's my point.

Miami's Secondary may be the weakness of their Defense, but it isn't like they have been playing weak Quarterbacks.

It's quite the opposite.

Let me see if I can paint the progression this conversation has taken.

Me: Slow your roll on Braylon. The Dolphins secondary is ridiculously bad.
You: Miami has the 8th ranked defense.
Me: OK but their secondary is ridiculously bad.
You: They get pressure on the QB and they've faced good QBs.
Me: OK, BUT THEIR SECONDARY IS RIDICULOUSLY BAD!

All I'm saying is, 5 for 60 and a touch against a secondary that is so ridiculously bad is not exactly something to write home about. He made an excellent sideline grab, but everyone (including Jon Gruden, ESPECIALLY Jon Gruden) needs to chill.

 

[Plumfool]

Or one of two other things has to happen.

Roy Williams needs to get open more or the routes he's running need to be refined to make that happen. More slants and drags might be better than trying to have him running deeper patterns that require more separation. Maybe we are doing that, I don't know. Making Romo have to adjust seems a riskier proposition.

A third thing that really needs to happen is romo needs to be accurate. Sunday was the most accurate he's been this year. All this talk about Williams not being opened has some merit. However I can recall many many throws that aikman threw to a well covered irvin. At some point romo has to start trusting his own abilities when throwing to rw

if any thing was learned the last time rw played is that he's not afraid to get hit. After getting his insides turned to mush he came back out and made a great catch over the middle.

Both parties though need to get better.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Edwards is better than Roy. It's not even close. He's faster, has better hands, runs better routes, and goes up and gets the ball better.

Faster? Probably. Runs better routes? Possibly. Better hands? Riiiiiggghhhtttt.

Either you don't pay a lick of attention or you're just a Roy hater. Don't care which but to make such a statement shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject you're talking about.

Braylon Edwards came into this season tied with Brandon Marshall for the most drops in the last 3 seasons with 30. That's 10 dropped passes per year on average.

Now when you factor in that in those 3 years Braylon had one spectacular year and then two years where he dropped more passes than TO then, no, it's not even close. Edwards has worst hands than I do and I don't even play NFL ball.

Yes, because Braylon had one and half seasons where drops were a problem, I'm supposed to assume his hands are worse than Roy's.

Maybe if Roy ever got open, we'd see just how good his hands are. But he doesn't have great hands.

No. Braylon has been among the league leaders in drops the last 3 seasons. Not 1 and a half. 3. And the guy is only playing in like his 5th year now. That means in 3 of his previous 4 years he's had a drop problem.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

This thread aside, RW is kinda in my doghouse right now. More playing hard... less talking please!

 

[Oh_Canada]

The main reasoning of this thread is to point out that it is hogwash to say it takes a WR an entire TC and multiple games to find chemistry with his QB. It's time for Roy, Romo and RedBall to put up or shut up.

 

[stilltheguru]

Lol @ Roy Williams. He isn't even worth anything other than laughter.

 

[superpunk]

The main reasoning of this thread is to point out that it is hogwash to say it takes a WR an entire TC and multiple games to find chemistry with his QB. It's time for Roy, Romo and RedBall to put up or shut up.

This is probably correct, and I was struck by that last night - HOWEVER, remember that both Jaws and Gruden were very surprised that Edwards was able to even make a meaningful contribution in that game, and this was with Edwards coming over from almost the same system he just left in Cleveland.

That doesn't excuse the lack of production we have gotten from Roy, but it is perspective on what football men think about how tough it is to come in and contribute right away after a trade.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Superpunk, I understand your argument.

I'm not sure how bad the Dolphins' Secondary is because they have played against some of the top Quarterbacks in the League.

When you go up against Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning and Phillip Rivers, you are probably going to give up some passing yards.

 

[Primetime42]

Braylon Edwards is running the exact same offense with the Jets that he ran in Cleveland.

Terminology and all.

Just sayin'.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Braylon Edwards is running the exact same offense with the Jets that he ran in Cleveland.

Terminology and all.

Just sayin'.

So Roy Williams isn't making an impact because he hasn't fully got his head around the Playbook?

 

[burmafrd]

Roy was injured last year. So was Romo. And they still had to keep TO happy. So last year was a wash.
Edwards has had bad cases of the dropsies for 3 of his 4 years. So anyone that thinks his one good year is the norm is an idiot.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Exactly. Has Roy ever been targeted 9 times in a game as a Cowboy? No way.

RW didn't do himself any favors when he, with T.O., went knocking on Jason Garrett's door to lobby for more involvement by them and less for Witten.
Make your bed and sleep in it Roy. Your skills and attitude are not that good.

 

[alancdc]

Miami has maybe the worst secondary in the NFL. They have the only safeties that could possibly rival ours in terms of suckage.

He went what? 5 for 60 and a TD?

Let's hold on before we crown his ***. I know Jon Gruden was excited, but he's ALWAYS excited. He loves everyone.

Was a very iffy reversal of a TD call to having 2 TD's last night.