Eli Manning

[jobberone]

Well, they are exciting. Maybe that one poster had something about Eli running the offense. Or maybe Eli is better when he has a smaller offense to run...like ten plays or so.

Giants still look tuff altho this proves you cannot win if you turn the ball over too much. Esp against a pretty good team.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I guess the thing I take from that game, rather than Eli sucks, is that the Giants defense is horrible this year. We should have no problems against them this season if they're allowing that many TDs in the first half.

 

[tomson75]

This wasn't heroics... This was two gift interceptions plus a team letting down when up by 30+ points.

Exactly. Fifteen dump off passes, a few rodeo catches, and a defensive TD doesn't make Eli a good QB.

The man-love the commentators have for Eli is absurd.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Well.... I haven't seen a Cowboys offense that can come back from these shutouts since the 94 team when Aikman tried to do in the NFC Championship game. The Giants have done it two weeks in a row now. Maybe we'll different this year, but I've never seen any of Aikman's successors able to put up this type of 2nd half heroics.

That's irrelevant to me, because I'd be saying the same thing if every week we had to watch the QB stink it up for 3 quarters before playing well. In our case, we had to watch a QB who stunk it throughout the game w/occasional flashes.

I think the Giants have enough talent on both sides of the ball that they shouldn't have to consistently win games like that. Even if the Giants had made a huge comeback like they did last week, they still wouldn't get props from me. Cuz what the heck were you doing the first three quarter that warranted the comeback. Nothing. They looked horrible on both offense and defense in the first three quarters. And as soon as the 'Hawks dialed it down, then all of a sudden they look like a decent team. I don't buy that.

 

[windward]

Watch, the Seahawks may trade some scores for time here in the fourth quarter, and we'll hear how Eli was much improved in the second half and was leading his team back, but just ran out of time.

Kind of like Gibbs touting that late drive on us when we had the game in hand. :laugh2:

I think you were dead on.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

That's irrelevant to me, because I'd be saying the same thing if every week we had to watch the QB stink it up for 3 quarters before playing well. In our case, we had to watch a QB who stunk it throughout the game w/occasional flashes.

I think the Giants have enough talent on both sides of the ball that they shouldn't have to consistently win games like that. Even if the Giants had made a huge comeback like they did last week, they still wouldn't get props from me. Cuz what the heck were you doing the first three quarter that warranted the comeback. Nothing. They looked horrible on both offense and defense in the first three quarters. And as soon as the 'Hawks dialed it down, then all of a sudden they look like a decent team. I don't buy that.

Well... first of all it was only the first half, not 3 quarters. Eli didn't have any picks after halftime. The Seahags had a ten minute drive in the 3rd quarter, but that's not Eli's fault. I don't disagree with any of you that Eli set himself up to lose, but I feel like I have to play devil's advocate with this kid because it seems like with all the people ready to annoint him the next King Manning, there's also a bunch of people who really want to see him fail, probably going all the way back to the draft when him and his "daddy" stiffed the fans.

He is what he is. Still a work in progress. Looking much better than most young QBs, but not ready to lead his team to the Super Bowl.

 

[Future]

Perhaps, but Quincy looked a lot etter in the third game of his third season? What does that mean? not much. The Giants are better off long-term at the position if Tony Romo is not the guy. But Manning is not heads and shoulders above Bledsoe at this point . They're pretty much equal

I like us over the Giants due to our defense being much better, particualrly in the secondary and linebackers.

Right now Bledsoe is a better QB, hands down. Eli is awful. Bledsoe has good games, punctuated by bad ones. Eli is exactly opposite.

 

[Tripod]

This game was in garbage time at 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter. Any points scored after that time are from lax defense. Eli sucked when it counted and padded his stats after that.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Well... first of all it was only the first half, not 3 quarters. Eli didn't have any picks after halftime. The Seahags had a ten minute drive in the 3rd quarter, but that's not Eli's fault.

Ok two quarters THIS game.

I don't disagree with any of you that Eli set himself up to lose, but I feel like I have to play devil's advocate with this kid because it seems like with all the people ready to annoint him the next King Manning, there's also a bunch of people who really want to see him fail, probably going all the way back to the draft when him and his "daddy" stiffed the fans.

That's your choice to do. But my opinion is simply based on what I've seen so far. After three years in the league, I don't particularly care how you get there. I care what you do when you get in. I don't have a problem with him succeeding. I do have a problem with people ready to say how well he's doing when in reality he hasn't played that well.

He is what he is. Still a work in progress. Looking much better than most young QBs, but not ready to lead his team to the Super Bowl.

It's obvious to anyone watching that he's a work in progress. However it's the kind of progress he's showing that's questionable. We'll see how it goes as time goes by.

 

[tyke1doe]

To all those Cowboys complaining last year about why Parcells didn't take the reigns off this offense and let them become a pass-oriented offense.

I'm sorry guys, but the problem Manning (Peyton) and Manning (Eli) will face in becoming champions is their coaches putting everything on their shoulders.

Unless you're a John Elway, you're likely not going to win the big one - with other dominant teams - unless you establish a run-oriented, methodical, mistake-free ball club.

Too much is being placed on Eli's shoulders, and you'll likely get these inconsistent results and blow outs.

 

[Qwickdraw]

He sucks.

But some will never accept it.

 

[scottsp]

He is what he is. Still a work in progress. Looking much better than most young QBs, but not ready to lead his team to the Super Bowl.

And that's right. I know it's not a popular sentiment around these parts to heap praise when the kid has a good day, but there are worse things for Eli than to have a horrible afternoon in Seattle. Lots of good QBs will struggle in that setting. It's part of the process.

You won't find me shouting from the rooftops when he has a career day, like last week. I won't degrade him to holy hell right now either. I do respect the player, the talent. And I think he's going to be really good.

Obviously, he was wretched early on today and he did quite a bit to put his team in a hole. On the season, he's been pretty good. Indy, Philly, and Seattle - two of those on the road - is no easy way to begin the year.

We should prolly recognize the peaks and valleys and at the end of the season take the body of work for what it is. Or we simply write him off being that he is a division rival. Easy enough, right?

 

[Martice]

Unless you're a John Elway, you're likely not going to win the big one - with other dominant teams - unless you establish a run-oriented, methodical, mistake-free ball club.

Hell, John Elway couldn't even win one on his own despite all of his late heroics. THe come from behind formula will come back to haunt you more times than not and I hope that Eli is seeing ghosts by the time we see them.

 

[wileedog]

Said it in the game thread, but I can't see how you can really hype a guy who consistently stinks up the joint for three quarters and then turns it on in the 4th quarter.

You gotta play the whole game. Cuz if you play decent the whole game like you did the 4th quarter, then there would be no need for a comeback.

Coming back in this game had nothing to do with Eli. it was 45-3, you don't think the Seahawks just put in it in cruise control?

Probably a lot of the same thing that happened to the Eagles last week, with some lucky bounces.

He looked awful for 3 1/2 quarters against Philly and awful for 3 quarters against the Seahawks when they were actually paying attention. I said it in the game thread, he's a guy who will occasionlly flash something terrific to make you think there is more that will develop there, but somehow he never does. He will be a burden for the Giants for a couple of years to come until they move on IMO.

 

[jobberone]

Eli must be driving the staff crazy right now.

You can't write the guy off. He's still a franchise QB until he proves the Giants wrong. And no one who really matters has given up on him. Especially the Giants organization.

But Coughlin must really be pissing people off up there. Hope they keep Plexico on ice until after we play them. I'll take my chances on Tyree.

 

[dbair1967]

I thought he "arrived" last week? Lol:jints:

well he did...

and he unarrived again this week

David

 

[dbair1967]

I guess it's a bipolar world when it comes to a Manning.

He's either a talented superstar in the making, or a horribly overrated QB who won't lead anyone to victory.

its the latter

Phillip Rivers got real lucky that the Manning family the and the commy's office orchestrated that nonsense on draft day in 2004...I bet he sends Tagliastupid a thank you card every week

David

 

[dbair1967]

This wasn't heroics... This was two gift interceptions plus a team letting down when up by 30+ points.

totally agree

and last week was a total aberration...Philly is gonna kill them when they play in NYG

David

 

[Vertigo_17]

I thought he "arrived" last week? Lol:jints:

return to sender...

 

[dbair1967]

You can't write the guy off. He's still a franchise QB until he proves the Giants wrong. And no one who really matters has given up on him. Especially the Giants organization.

But Coughlin must really be pissing people off up there. Hope they keep Plexico on ice until after we play them. I'll take my chances on Tyree.

he isnt a "franchise QB"....he's an average QB who is painfully up and down, not just from a game to game basis but even from drive to drive...he does not have enough consistency in his reads or accuracy to be considered a true "franchise" QB, and honestly I think we'll be saying the same thing about him for years to come...he just isnt very talented...he's ok, thats it

David