Elliot @ 4, and the cap ramifications

[Hardline]

Great. No one denies that Dallas is better when they run the ball.

The point is you don't have to use the 4th pick in the draft to put together a very good running game.

The season you all keep referring to, 2014, was on the back of a TB who was a 3rd round pick.

And we can get an elite QB in free agency.
I'll take my shot with an elite RB at #1 over a crap shoot in the later rounds.
But I am old school. I highly value the RB position. My entire offense would be built around a dominant rushing attack.

 

[Sydla]

And we can get an elite QB in free agency.
I'll take my shot with an elite RB at #1 over a crap shoot in the later rounds.
But I am old school. I highly value the RB position. My entire offense would be built around a dominant rushing attack.

Really? Where? List for me the elite QBs that have been acquired in free agency.

 

[Hardline]

Really? Where? List for me the elite QBs that have been acquired in free agency.

I am using your logic about late round RBs.
Tony Romo is your answer.

 

[Bigdog]

That kid Marsall out of Georgia in the 3rd

I was hoping to get him maybe in the 6th if we don't draft one early, but he might not make to one of our 6th though.

 

[Bigdog]

I don't think he'll last to the 3rd, honestly. There's going to be a run on RBs in the 2nd round.

I don't either but I can hope.

 

[Sydla]

I am using your logic about late round RBs.
Tony Romo is your answer.

Hahahaha.

You actually think this supports your point?

 

[Hardline]

Hahahaha.

You actually think this supports your point?

Yes it does or I wouldn'thave used it.

 

[Sydla]

Yes it does or I wouldn'thave used it.

So you think it's just as easy to find an elite QB in the mid rounds or later as opposed to a good TB?

 

[Nightman]

We might pay more up front for Elliott but the 5th year option and franchise tag for the 6th could be much cheaper.

3 of the top RB salaries have retired and Murray's deal was reduced. The 5th year option for players in the top 1/2 of the draft is equal to the transition tag. That would put it around 8m for RBs, compared to 18m for QBs or 14m for DEs.

So for 4yrs its 25m for anyone but with the option picked up it is:

5/33m and 6/42m for RBs
5/39m and 6/56m for DEs
5/43m and 6/65m for QBs

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is just a thought, but in reading about the draft and the prospects we may have a shot at, the biggest knock on Elliot is the salary we will have to pay a rookie rb @ 4.

With that being said, who cares? Our draft class will cost the same no matter the players we draft right? It's become apearent we have changed our ways in free agency and prefer to resign our own and go with home grown talent.

So if the depth is at DL and Bosa isn't flashy enough why not take the stud RB and then take advantage of a deep draft class and go DL in the second?

It's not about ramifications. It's about opportunity costs.

The 4th pick this year should be in the neighborhood of $6.5m AAV this year. The top RB paid this year is going to make less than a million more than that.

Vernon was just paid 3 times that much. QBs even more.

It's better to have a QB, DL, or CB at that slot due to what the market for those guys is. Money talks in the NFL.

 

[Stash]

Mt whole point is you are going to pay the class the same amount of money regardless of who you draft, and it's guaranteed. So the money spent doesn't change. Also you have to be careful trading down, because you just it get Julius Jones instead of Stephen Jackson.

And the other point is that you would be paying him more than what you could have gotten Lamar Miller for, plus you'd be giving up the #4 overall pick in the process. Following up dumb with dumber.

 

[Stash]

And we can get an elite QB in free agency.

This is a lie.

 

[Stash]

Yes it does or I wouldn'thave used it.

It doesn't. It just makes you look worse.

 

[Hoofbite]

It's not about ramifications. It's about opportunity costs.

The 4th pick this year should be in the neighborhood of $6.5m AAV this year. The top RB paid this year is going to make less than a million more than that.

Vernon was just paid 3 times that much. QBs even more.

It's better to have a QB, DL, or CB at that slot due to what the market for those guys is. Money talks in the NFL.

This guy gets it.

 

[CWR]

And the other point is that you would be paying him more than what you could have gotten Lamar Miller for, plus you'd be giving up the #4 overall pick in the process. Following up dumb with dumber.

The dumbest thing you could do is draft a player not rated as well only to have him bust. Just draft who is highest on the board.

 

[Craig]

The dumbest thing you could do is draft a player not rated as well only to have him bust. Just draft who is highest on the board.

The key here is the team should draft who is highest on their board. Not who is highest on any individual fan's board. I think a lot of people here fail to realize that those two are not the same.

 

[Stash]

The dumbest thing you could do is draft a player not rated as well only to have him bust. Just draft who is highest on the board.

Rated by whom? Everyone who has anything to do with this draft? There's no question that both quarterbacks qualify to be taken at #4. But you keep glossing over the fact that dollars and draft investment shoot this premise to $#|+.

Paying more money and the #4 draft pick for any running back is just plain dumb.

 

[Stash]

The key here is the team should draft who is highest on their board. Not who is highest on any individual fan's board. I think a lot of people here fail to realize that those two are not the same.

It's simply bigger than that.

It's about it costing much more than a free agent running back would have.

It's about the going rate to get or keep even a potential franchise quarterback and that position being the hardest to acquire in football.

It's about having a potential alternative if your starter gets hurt again.

It's about starting running backs being easily available in free agency and starting quarterbacks not being available.

It's about success rates for 1st round quarterbacks being much higher than those drafted later.

There are a ton of factors that go into this.

 

[CWR]

Rated by whom? Everyone who has anything to do with this draft? There's no question that both quarterbacks qualify to be taken at #4. But you keep glossing over the fact that dollars and draft investment shoot this premise to $#|+.

Paying more money and the #4 draft pick for any running back is just plain dumb.

Clearly I'm speaking about the highest rated player according to the team! What's plain dumb is taking a player that makes since due to need or money but doesn't make sense when it comes to the players actual abilities. If Zeke is the highest rated player it's better to pay him and get production rather than pay Bosa for example and have him bust. Is it more prudent financially to pay a Bobby Carpenter or a RB that's is a near lock to be a great player? (I'm not saying Bosa will be a bust either) I'm only saying pick a stud and don't settle for a lesser player.

 

[CWR]

The key here is the team should draft who is highest on their board. Not who is highest on any individual fan's board. I think a lot of people here fail to realize that those two are not the same.

I realize that, and I'm not pretending to be a scout. I want us to do exactly that, take the highest rated player, even if that player is a Rb.