Twitter: Elliott speaks on being benched

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I agree that Zeke has gotten off to a slow start, he is currently 8th in rushing yards after 2 game. Last game he was rushing better than game 1 but of course as he himself has said the fumbles negate any good he did this past game. Zeke has 14 games left and I would say don't give up on this kid he is a very talented player and knows the status quo is not good enough and has made no excuses for it. Personally I think if there is true talent there that the cream will rise to the top and fully expect that with Zeke.
 

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I think you look at two rookies. Dak and Zeke. Both guys have issues they are having to overcome, many of them similar. Dak is playing well, and Zeke isnt.

Define "playing well"? How do you objectively measure this?

Dak has to lead the entire team with little experience, Not much of a run game to back him up and not much of a defense. Yet he is overcoming and playing well. NO turnovers as well.

Not much of a running game to back him up? Have we scored a passing touchdown? Haven't all the touchdowns that have been scored come on the ground? Who has the most touchdowns on the team so far?

Second, you say "No turnovers as well." Aahhh. So basically what you've just said is that it's possible to play well AND have no turnovers. So is it possible for Zeke to have played well despite his two fumbles? Or are you including his fumbles into the equation of him not playing well? This is why I asked you above to define "playing well".

Zeke has the best Oline in football, but they arent playing up to par, they are stacking to stop the run, and Romo isnt there to take some of the pressure off. Yet he is not playing great and fumbling the ball and getting benched.

So the line isn't playing up to par, teams are stacking to stop the line, but Zeke is playing poorly? I'm sorry, is Zeke supposed to play well when the line is playing poorly? :huh:
You yourself just admitted the source of the problem.
Oh, and not playing great is not the same as playing poorly. That's what I'm trying to get you to see.

I will agree that Zeke isn't playing to the expectations that many of us envisioned for him. True. But I wouldn't say he has been playing poorly.
So far, his stats are 20 carries for 50 yards 2.5 yard average and 1 TD; 21 carries for 83 4.0 yards average and 1 TD.
I would call that pedestrian, but not necessary stellar. But I wouldn't call it poorly. Maybe if you consider the expectations set for him, yes.
But sans expectation, I wouldn't say that was poor.

A simple evaluation backed up by film study.

With all due respect, unless we've watched every play, we can't say that. The links only give you a few plays to analyze. Just saying.
 

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Came out publicly? No, he would be stupid to do that. But Dickerson was quite clear that he said it. Play full or not most rookies simply dont do that.
Yes, Elliott admitted to it, but he said he was saying it in a JOKING manner. Not telling a legend hes going to "smash" his record.
 

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I see a whole bunch of BS is what I see. LOL

Zeke is playing poorly. It can be both an observation and a complaint.

Now when you cant accept that he is playing poorly, then I can see how you would take that as complaining.

For me I think he will get better. I have no doubts. And when he does I will be saying he is running great. And that will be an observation and could also be a compliment.

You keep piling on Zeke, but what is your point?

Everyone knows he's not playing up to snuff, but he's improved game to game and he's only played two games in the NFL.
 

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He wasn't being completely careless with the ball like Demarco Murray would be, it was just two good plays by defenders and Zeke needing to squeeze a little more in traffic.

I think there are a few things going on with Zeke's runs. First when he lines up next to Dak in shotgun he is hitting the hole too quickly, before the blocks develop which throws off his angles and options. For that same reason and due to being on 2 games in he is not paying attention to the backside cut that is opening up as teams over pursue. Demarco used to live on this in the second half of games, teams see the same runs and they start attacking leaving the backside open. Once Zeke works out the timing he should start seeing more big runs.

I also think he is still swimming the playbook a little due to lack of reps, which again will get better over time. Right now he looks like he is pressing and fighting really hard for runs that would come easily with a little more timing and patience that come with experience within the system.
 

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I see a whole bunch of BS is what I see. LOL

So the proper use of language is BS? LOL!

Zeke is playing poorly. It can be both an observation and a complaint.

So dissect my statement to show me where it is a complaint? Remember, YOU said my statement about an 8-man front was a complaint. Please show me how it is a complaint instead of an observation. Thank you in advance.

Now when you cant accept that he is playing poorly, then I can see how you would take that as complaining.

Huh? :huh: Are you following what we're discussing here?

You said I was complaining. You tried to turn my comment on me by saying I was complaining about 8-men fronts. I told you I was making an observation. So if I'm complaining, please retrieve my statement and dissect it to show the complaint.

For me I think he will get better. I have no doubts. And when he does I will be saying he is running great. And that will be an observation and could also be a compliment.

Sigh. There's a reason why we have language, and we have concepts within language called intonation, connotation, denotation, etc. Words can be spelled the same and have different meanings. Words can sound the same and be spelled differently. Words can sound the same and have different meanings.

You pulled a statement that I made and said it was a complaint. It was not. It was an observation. If you think it was a complaint, I invite you to analyze what I said and prove it was a complaint. I'll wait.
 

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You keep piling on Zeke, but what is your point?

Everyone knows he's not playing up to snuff, but he's improved game to game and he's only played two games in the NFL.

When he runs for 150 and 3 TD's, people will still find something wrong.
 

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On the first fumble, he had two hands on the ball....it looked that way on the 2nd one as well. I wonder if he has weak hands.
on the first fumble you have to give credit to Norman for making a great play, he hit the ball just right with his fist. Norman did the same thing to Dez on a catch. The 2nd one is definitely on Zeke from what I could see.
 

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Thats the best and most logical approach. Give Elliott a little breathing room. He will turn out to be a good Cowboy.

To be honest I don't see how the kid is starting although he miss most if pre season.Only JJ and crew will anoint players.
 

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I was expecting to see a bit more out of him WITH ROMO. That's the big caveat. With Dak, I expected him to start slow because he's seeing eight-men fronts.

With Romo, he wouldn't be seeing eight-man fronts because Romo would torch defenses setting up in that scheme.
I think this is a point some of us are missing. Defenses can't afford to stack the box with Romo.
 

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To be honest I don't see how the kid is starting although he miss most if pre season.Only JJ and crew will anoint players.

I don't think Emmitt had a full preseason either. I think because teams feel a top back can basically step into the line up, they don't want to wear them down with extra carries in the preseason. That's why Zeke likely didn't start.

And as far as his output, Emmitt didn't get warmed up and break the century mark until his fourth game. So I'm not really worried about Zeke.

Now, if we're at Week 6, and he hasn't done better, then I'll be a bit more concerned.

But you simply can't overlook the fact that Dak Prescott is under center and not Tony Romo. To do so is to be dishonest, IMO.
 

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To be honest I don't see how the kid is starting although he miss most if pre season.Only JJ and crew will anoint players.
said it all along. They completely mishandled him and gave our opponents an advantage by doing so. He should have been worked in splitting carries with Morris as the number 2. By week 3 or 4 maybe he earns the start.

Zeke rode the bike all TC. He wasn't ready to be the game 1 starter with 8 carries in the preseason. Rookies need the PS to get used to the game.
 

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I don't think Emmitt had a full preseason either. I think because teams feel a top back can basically step into the line up, they don't want to wear them down with extra carries in the preseason. That's why Zeke likely didn't start.

And as far as his output, Emmitt didn't get warmed up and break the century mark until his fourth game. So I'm not really worried about Zeke.

Now, if we're at Week 6, and he hasn't done better, then I'll be a bit more concerned.

But you simply can't overlook the fact that Dak Prescott is under center and not Tony Romo. To do so is to be dishonest, IMO.

I look at it more as Romo could do more to cover up than Dak at this point. If Zeke fumbles Romo can probably score a TD on the next drive to keep the team in it. If the run game is going south Romo can pass more and make it count. Dak is picking up the slack but I would have the rookie qb focus on his game.
 

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Define "playing well"? How do you objectively measure this?



Not much of a running game to back him up? Have we scored a passing touchdown? Haven't all the touchdowns that have been scored come on the ground? Who has the most touchdowns on the team so far?

Second, you say "No turnovers as well." Aahhh. So basically what you've just said is that it's possible to play well AND have no turnovers. So is it possible for Zeke to have played well despite his two fumbles? Or are you including his fumbles into the equation of him not playing well? This is why I asked you above to define "playing well".



So the line isn't playing up to par, teams are stacking to stop the line, but Zeke is playing poorly? I'm sorry, is Zeke supposed to play well when the line is playing poorly? :huh:
You yourself just admitted the source of the problem.
Oh, and not playing great is not the same as playing poorly. That's what I'm trying to get you to see.

I will agree that Zeke isn't playing to the expectations that many of us envisioned for him. True. But I wouldn't say he has been playing poorly.
So far, his stats are 20 carries for 50 yards 2.5 yard average and 1 TD; 21 carries for 83 4.0 yards average and 1 TD.
I would call that pedestrian, but not necessary stellar. But I wouldn't call it poorly. Maybe if you consider the expectations set for him, yes.
But sans expectation, I wouldn't say that was poor.



With all due respect, unless we've watched every play, we can't say that. The links only give you a few plays to analyze. Just saying.

Fine, he is playing pedestrian. I will use your word.

Overall, its pedestrian, for his expectations he is playing poorly.

I agree on that.
 

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Yes, Elliott admitted to it, but he said he was saying it in a JOKING manner. Not telling a legend hes going to "smash" his record.

I think he did it politely in playful manner. Any other way would have been ridiculous.
 

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I invite the rest of the DBs in the league to try and arm tackle and punch the ball out like Norman did......it will lead to many more missed tackles and YAC....certain guys like Peanut Tillman can get away with it as a technique but most will fail and flail....silver lining is EE now aware of how much people ***** about fumbles in the NFL.......
 

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Fine, he is playing pedestrian. I will use your word.

Overall, its pedestrian, for his expectations he is playing poorly.

I agree on that.

Fair enough.

I think we both agree that he can do much, much better and expect him to.
 

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I invite the rest of the DBs in the league to try and arm tackle and punch the ball out like Norman did......it will lead to many more missed tackles and YAC....certain guys like Peanut Tillman can get away with it as a technique but most will fail and flail....silver lining is EE now aware of how much people ***** about fumbles in the NFL.......

Agree. You have to know when to do it. Punching the ball out generally pushes it forward, and if you don't have defenders trailing, you've basically given the ball to the offense a few more yards closer to their endzone.
 
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