Ellis... 3-4 DE sack king?

[Jarv]

I look at Dallas, NE, SD and Pittsburgh DE on NFL.com for sack totals, didn't find another DE that plays the 3-4 that had more than Greg Ellis's 8 sacks.

I'm sure I've probably missed another 3-4 defense.

Did another 3-4 DE get more sacks ? Let me know if you find one.

If you do find one, let me know if they made the pro-bowl.

 

[junk]

I look at Dallas, NE, SD and Pittsburgh DE on NFL.com for sack totals, didn't find another DE that plays the 3-4 that had more than Greg Ellis's 8 sacks.

I'm sure I've probably missed another 3-4 defense.

Did another 3-4 DE get more sacks ? Let me know if you find one.

If you do find one, let me know if they made the pro-bowl.

Kind of misleading. The bulk of Ellis' sacks came from the nickel front.

 

[Jarv]

Kind of misleading. The bulk of Ellis' sacks came from the nickel front.

Other 3-4 teams don't play a nickle front ? Why not ? Maybe they should or we shouldn't ? What do you think ?

Wonder if Adam has stats on how many of Greg's sacks came on a nickle front vs. normal front.

 

[junk]

According to ESPN, Ellis had 7.5 sacks out of the shotgun. He also had 7.5 out of 3 or 4 wide sets. In other words, nickel.

Ellis is unique because he is a guy who can play a 3-4 end, but has edge rush skills. Most 3-4 ends do not.

 

[Jarv]

According to ESPN, Ellis had 7.5 sacks out of the shotgun. He also had 7.5 out of 3 or 4 wide sets. In other words, nickel.

Ellis is unique because he is a guy who can play a 3-4 end, but has edge rush skills. Most 3-4 ends do not.

Sounds versatle...hope we keep him.

But again, what about the other 3-4 DE ends in the leauge ? Are they all replaced by LB'ers (or nickle DE rushers) in the nickle on those teams ?

The Richard Seymore, Luis Castillo, Jarvis Green, Aaron Smith type of guys.

All I was asking was...that did any team that plays a 3-4 defense have a DE that got more sacks than Greg ?

 

[TwoSteppinJJ]

Dont forget that he is a pretty good run stopping defensive end as well. I really hope that we do keep him.

 

[Nors]

Ellis garnered his sacks in nickel pass rush. Mostly 4-3 sets.
Over time Canty/Spears will play more and Ellis job will go to a younger DE pass rush specialist.

The LBers will get the sacks and force more interceptions in a true 3-4 Mold.

We also need another anchor 3-4 NT to rotate with Fergi!

 

[Jarv]

Ellis garnered his sacks in nickel pass rush. Mostly 4-3 sets.
Over time Canty/Spears will play more and Ellis job will go to a younger DE pass rush specialist.

The LBers will get the sacks and force more interceptions in a true 3-4 Mold.

We also need another anchor 3-4 NT to rotate with Fergi!

Nors, Being a NE fan or at least resident expert. Do other 3-4 teams have nickle packages too ?

The question still stands. What 3-4 team has a DE with more sacks than Ellis got ?

 

[junk]

Ellis garnered his sacks in nickel pass rush. Mostly 4-3 sets.
Over time Canty/Spears will play more and Ellis job will go to a younger DE pass rush specialist.

The LBers will get the sacks and force more interceptions in a true 3-4 Mold.

We also need another anchor 3-4 NT to rotate with Fergi!

The nickel is not the 4-3. A four man front does not mean 4-3. 4-3 means 4 lineman and 3 linebackers, not four linemen, 2 linebackers and 5 DBs.

 

[superpunk]

What's also impressive, is that for most of the season, he was rotated out 50% of the time. 8 sacks in part time duty, and almost no duty the last 5 games or so, is pretty darn impressive to me.

 

[sago1]

I'm one of those who wanted trade him cause he was unhappy here with lack of playing time but I did express my concern over who would make up the loss of his 8 sacks if he goes. If we can keep him happy by playing him more and he continues produce 8 sacks, or even more, with more playing time, sure would be glad to see him stay.

 

[Woods]

In any case, with Ellis' cap friendly contract, I don't think he's going anywhere.

 

[Rack]

Pretty sure that DE in San Fran (Bryant Young) had 8 sacks and they also play a 3-4.


I know he got at least one of his out of the 3-4 defense (against us. Thanks, Petitti).

 

[TheHustler]

Pretty sure that DE in San Fran (Bryant Young) had 8 sacks and they also play a 3-4.


I know he got at least one of his out of the 3-4 defense (against us. Thanks, Petitti).

He had sacks in 4 games:

09/11 STL 3
09/25 DAL 1
10/02 @ARI 2
10/30 TB 2

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ellis got most of his sacks in the nickel. That's why Jerry and Bill want to keep him around, he's not too expensive, can play a little 3-4 and was very good in the nickel.

If he had to play 3-4 DE full time, he wouldn't get that many sacks. Essentially, Parcells found a way for him to be effective in the 3-4.

I wish Ellis would grasp that concept.

Rich.........

 

[Jarv]

He had sacks in 4 games:

09/11 STL 3
09/25 DAL 1
10/02 @ARI 2
10/30 TB 2

Okay, we have a tie with Ellis !

 

[Rack]

He had sacks in 4 games:

09/11 STL 3
09/25 DAL 1
10/02 @ARI 2
10/30 TB 2

And that equals 8, same as Ellis.

 

[Clove]

The nickel is not the 4-3. A four man front does not mean 4-3. 4-3 means 4 lineman and 3 linebackers, not four linemen, 2 linebackers and 5 DBs.

Yeah but the nickel requires 4 men to put their hands down on the ground. Forcing the line to have assignments on each person individually. You are basically running a 4-3 when you go into nickel, leaving you one on one with the Tackle only.

When you're playing an exclusive 3-4, you rub noses with the Guard all the time. You are double teamed alot, but when you kick to a nickel, it's one on one with the tackle.

Ellis is a 4-3 dlineman, and that is a fact. When he was asked to play the 3-4, he was swallowed up like a fish in a whale. That's why he was pulled for Canty. Plus, when he was in a 3-4 allignment, he did not get his sacks. No way Ellis fights thru a tackle and a guard to get a sack.

My point is, if you were to put Jason Taylor from the dolphins (sack guru) in a 3-4, he would not succeed until they moved into the nickel. That makes Ellis a situational DE, and we can get someone like that in the draft who would make alot less like Darryl Tapp.

 

[Rack]

Yeah but the nickle requires 4 men to put their hands down on the ground. Forcing the line to have assignments on each person individually. You are basically running a 4-3 when you go into nickle, leaving you one on one with the Tackle only.

No, you aren't. They are two completely different defenses.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ellis got most of his sacks in the nickel. That's why Jerry and Bill want to keep him around, he's not too expensive, can play a little 3-4 and was very good in the nickel.

If he had to play 3-4 DE full time, he wouldn't get that many sacks. Essentially, Parcells found a way for him to be effective in the 3-4.

I wish Ellis would grasp that concept.

Rich.........

I'll tell ya Rich, to me, I think he has figured it out. I just don't think he likes what he's learned.