Ellis says D.Ware hid from coaches...w/audio Post#77

[28 Joker]

With the help of Pro Football Focus' play-by-play participation charts (which aren't 100 percent accurate and include some non-official plays, but are a good starting point), I think I've identified the 29 plays Ware missed last season. Other than a few last-play-of-the-game plays, I've confirmed most of them by looking at my game tapes.

Ware missed one play when he was shaken up in the first Commanders game (checked for concussion), three plays when he was shaken up against the Giants (stinger) and the last 13 defensive plays after hurting his knee against Seattle. That leaves 12 plays when he could have been on the field but was not. They are --

One play in Game 2 against Philadelphia -- With 3:39 left in the second quarter, Ware was replaced by Burnett in the dime defense. Ellis was already on the field and stayed on the field.

Five plays in Game 3 against Green Bay -- With a 27-9 lead and 3:43 left in the game, Ware was replaced by Hatcher for four plays in the dime defense. Ellis was already on the field and stayed on the field. On the last play of the game, Ware was replaced by Hatcher. Ellis was already on the field and stayed on the field.

One play in Game 5 against Cincinnati -- On the last play of the game, Ware was replaced by Spencer. Ellis was already on the field and stayed on the field.

Two plays in Game 11 against San Francisco -- On the third and fourth plays of the game, Ware was replaced by Spencer. Ellis was already on the field and stayed on the field.

Three plays in Game 14 against New York -- With 7:50 left in the third quarter, Ware came out for two plays and was replaced by Ellis on second and third downs. When the next possession started, they both were on the field. And on the last play of the game, Ware was replaced by Spencer. Ellis was already on the field and stayed on the field.


So when, exactly, could Ware possibly have been "hiding" from the coaches in order to get Ellis playing time?

Here is another big hole:nono2: for the Invisible Man.

 

[theogt]

Crap, silverbear hacked 41gy#'s account.

 

[28 Joker]

When you think about it, Ellis is accusing Ware of compromising the integrity of the game. Of course, he dresses it up as Ware being "selfless" or "doing an old warhorse a favor," but the conclusion is the same. He also had to know that this revelation would create a mini-firestorm, putting his so-called "friend" in a terrible spot, while he blissfully continues his vacation without a care in the world. With friends like these ...

Sure it is a serious charge.

Either he didn't care, or he's not the brightest cookie in the jar.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Crap, silverbear hacked 41gy#'s account.

:laugh2:

 

[28 Joker]

Aha! Proof that Ellis was right.


Even if these were the only two plays where Ware did what Ellis said (and I'm not saying they were), it wouldn't surprise me to see it get blown out of proportion like it has.

Ellis seems to not mind using the art of exaggeration to make himself look like a victim or sympathetic figure.

I agree. You got that right. Some in the national media will exaggerate it, too. Plus, they don't know what's true. I've already heard one ESPN guy bashing Ware, Phillips, and the Cowboys.

Ellis was about his money, his playing time, and how he was used. It was about him when Dallas became a contender.

Just listen to him talk after one of the most devastating losses in team history (the 2007 playoff game).

 

[28 Joker]

Go watch Brian Westbrook's glorified sliding triple, in 2007, at Texas Stadium. (Just score, already). I'm not bloody stopping. Dallas' offense sure wasn't going anywhere that day.

Anyway, look at how Ellis over rushed Westbrook's glorified triple in that game and gave up a huge rushing lane when the game was still in doubt. You saw the Giants do the same thing to him at the Meadowlands in 2008. You saw the Rams run all over him.

When he wasn't over rushing and opening up gaping holes for the other team, he was getting over powered by fullbacks and TEs as an OLB in a 34. In other words, he was getting trucked and couldn't hold the point.

Good luck in Oakland. You'll get your wish. Here come the 300+ pounders.

 

[gimmesix]

I agree. You got that right. Some in the national media will exaggerate it, too. Plus, they don't know what's true. I've already heard one ESPN guy bashing Ware, Phillips, and the Cowboys.

Ellis was about his money, his playing time, and how he was used. It was about him when Dallas became a contender.

Just listen to him talk after one of the most devastating losses in team history (the 2007 playoff game).

It sounds to me, more and more, like Ellis is saying Ware tried to take himself out of games and hide to give Ellis playing time, but Ellis, being the unselfish team player that he is, told Ware, "No, no, D, the coaches want you in the game and we've got to listen to the coaches. I'm all about the team, and even though it would be better for the team for me to be in the game, I'll take being unfairly treated rather than cause problems by you removing yourself from the game."

See what a great guy he is.

I used to think Ellis was all about the team until about three years ago. And even though I appreciate the years he spent being a team player (when it wasn't hard for him to be), his victim act wore thin after Act I.

 

[28 Joker]

It sounds to me, more and more, like Ellis is saying Ware tried to take himself out of games and hide to give Ellis playing time, but Ellis, being the unselfish team player that he is, told Ware, "No, no, D, the coaches want you in the game and we've got to listen to the coaches. I'm all about the team, and even though it would be better for the team for me to be in the game, I'll take being unfairly treated rather than cause problems by you removing yourself from the game."

See what a great guy he is.

I used to think Ellis was all about the team until about three years ago. And even though I appreciate the years he spent being a team player (when it wasn't hard for him to be), his victim act wore thin after Act I.

I don't believe Ellis' account for good reason. AdamJT13 has already cast a big giant hole in Ellis' account.

Ellis is the king of exaggeration, like you said, and lives in his own football world where he's the center of his football universe. He said some suspect things before he left.

I'm giving DeMarcus Ware the much deserved benefit of the doubt. That Giants game was a blow out, and if Ware did let Ellis go in for him a couple of times, that isn't nearly what Ellis makes it out to be. In fact, it's no big deal.

Ware played 97% of the snaps, and that is flat out getting it done.

 

[Alexander]

Sorry, but Bobby Carpenter completely goes against what you said here.

Bobby Carpenter is an entirely different situation. He's going on the airwaves in a general capacity, presumeably because he's preparing for his future career. And, bless his golden locks, he doesn't go on air and say controversial things as Ellis has.

I was referring to Ellis' complaining over the years. Catch17 seemed to be inferring that Ellis' issues weren't that big of a deal, as if they would have been in the first place (like Urlacher or Boldin). My response there is that lower echelon players grumbling about their contracts don't make news.

The real fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what their talent level is, the Dallas Cowboys sell, no matter if you're the practice squad kicker and you saw Tony Romo give Jessica Simpson a kiss after practice instead of immediately hit the showers - it WILL make SportsCenter because of who the team is.

They didn't sell with Ellis. It would barely make it out of the DMN media arena. It just was not a big sell. Now Owens, yes, he could sneeze and it made Sportscenter. It had a lot to do with Ellis' reputation and honestly, most average fans wouldn't have known who he was anyways. That tends to happen with players like him.

 

[casmith07]

Bobby Carpenter is an entirely different situation. He's going on the airwaves in a general capacity, presumeably because he's preparing for his future career. And, bless his golden locks, he doesn't go on air and say controversial things as Ellis has.

I was referring to Ellis' complaining over the years. Catch17 seemed to be inferring that Ellis' issues weren't that big of a deal, as if they would have been in the first place (like Urlacher or Boldin). My response there is that lower echelon players grumbling about their contracts don't make news.



They didn't sell with Ellis. It would barely make it out of the DMN media arena. It just was not a big sell. Now Owens, yes, he could sneeze and it made Sportscenter. It had a lot to do with Ellis' reputation and honestly, most average fans wouldn't have known who he was anyways. That tends to happen with players like him.

All good points. I can say that agree pretty much 100% here.