Ellis says D.Ware hid from coaches...w/audio Post#77

[JohnnyHopkins]

Yeah it was Defender.

Miss the old atari days.

One of my friends has a full sized Pacman arcade game that has about five hundred 80s/90s games on it. Pretty fun, but I always gravitate towards Elevator Action.

 

[Idgit]

not the disagree, it's the how they disagree.

there is a modicum of respect earned through years of posting and time.

because I am perceived not to have that people feel okay with coming at me hard and calling me stupid and a liar.

people approach hos with respect, god knows he posts enough for people to know him by now(haha). Where as I have no ground upon which to stand with those who don't know me.

I know it's different, I have seen it first hand.

Didn't anybody tell you that Thursday's your day in the barrel, Four?

I don't think it's a respect-for-newbies issue. People found out before now that you can hold your own in a discussion and that your a fan of football. You just engaged on the counter-side on a hot topic. Maybe you haven't been around long enough to have built relationships with enough other posters for them to go to the mat for you in a thread and so you were left out on an island, but that happens.

There are posters like me and Catch who probably have similar opinions to yours about Greg Ellis in general. I know in my case I didn't engage much on this topic b/c Greg is a whiner and he's not a Cowboy any more and I just don't find *****ing about something he said on a radio show all that interesting. I have a lot of respect for what he did for the Cowboys while he was here, but I never admired the guy for his intellect or his worldview anyway.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Greg was a fraud. Team Leader my ***. Sure he says some things that make sense but the guy was posion in the locker room. Thank goodness these guys are gone. That is what gives me some hope for this season.

 

[fannypack]

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

There are posters like me and Catch who probably have similar opinions to yours about Greg Ellis in general.

Then you stink too!!!! :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[CATCH17]

So is Brian Urlacher a whiner?

What about Boldin?

Do you guys hate them too?

Just wondering...

 

[trueblue1687]

Ellis = douchebag. That's pretty telling if the staff had to be desperate to play Ellis. I wish the guy the best, but he has a really annoying mouth. Obviously he's still pretty high on himself, and I think he still has some game left...but he would be better served to just play and quit trying to place blame or smear other people.

 

[Idgit]

Then you stink too!!!! :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

Well, Greg was being a whiney little ***** in this particular interview. And Thursday is not *my* day in the barrel.

 

[Alexander]

So is Brian Urlacher a whiner?

What about Boldin?

Do you guys hate them too?

Just wondering...

Who cares about Urlacher or Boldin? They aren't even Cowboys, so why would anyone care less what they do?

We also haven't been subjected to each of them whining and disrupting our football team for years all the while having the media and blind fans pretending he is a blessed saint.

 

[CATCH17]

Who cares about Urlacher or Boldin? They aren't even Cowboys, so why would anyone care less what they do?

We also haven't been subjected to each of them whining and disrupting our football team for years all the while having the media and blind fans pretending he is a blessed saint.

Because i've never seen someone be so hated for not even causing that big of a stir in the first place.

No one outside of the Dallas fanbase would even know about this.


All of the good things he did here faaaaaaaaaaaaar out-weigh all of the "bad" things.

 

[fannypack]

You may be right, in a way, CATCH17.

I can see that side of the argument for sure. It's pretty bad to think that a player or person who contributes so much to a team is going to wind up being more or less hated the moment they walk out the door.

I don't think people here actually hate him, though. I think most people who speak out about him in a negative way are blowing their emotions out of proportion a tad. People just need to realize that that's human nature, it's nothing exclusive to football, or the Cowboys.

With that part said, I do think that players who have had a whiney attitude on a consistent basis have no place on the current team. Why? Because the current team seems more or less removed of whiney players. You can make some small arguments about Crayton, but Crayton doesn't necessarily whine as much as he puts his foot in his mouth. But he's gotten better about that and it's nearly a non-issue now.

I think that everyone here appreciates the good times brought about by any Cowboy player, but if that player had some negatives they're definitely talked about once that player is out the door, that's natural behavior. Likewise with Ellis, he's out the door and feels he has a free pass to discuss things about the team that otherwise may of never been known (If it's even true).

The problem I, and many others here have with this, is it's creating unnecessary headaches for our players currently on the team and this is the exact thing we're trying to rid ourselves of, headaches.

 

[Verdict]

I defend your right to disagree with the rest of the message board, but the fact remains that the majority of the posters here feel that you are making a strained, unreasonable interpretation of Greg Ellis' comments because you like Greg Ellis for whatever reason. You don't have to give up on your premise, or opinion, but the majority of the posts suggest that they think that you are an idiot for taking the position you have taken.

I am not expessing that opinion of you, because I haven't heard the interview, but I thought it might be helpful for me to explain that when you take a position that appears incredulous to even non biased members of the message board that you should not be surprised that you are catching flack from other posters. You whining about catching flack from a majority of the posters doesn't in and of itself make you wrong, but the whining you are doing about catching that flack leads me to believe that there might be a reason that you so closely identify with Greg Ellis' comments.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'm listening to the audio right now. Ellis has said numerous times that the played "about 10 plays" in our blowout loss to the Giants. According to Pro Football Focus, he played 34 plays, including 10 of the first 11.

He also said he was "dropping into coverage the majority of the time" in that game. According to PFF, he dropped into coverage four times.

 

[Plumfool]

I'm listening to the audio right now. Ellis has said numerous times that the played "about 10 plays" in our blowout loss to the Giants. According to Pro Football Focus, he played 34 plays, including 10 of the first 11.

He also said he was "dropping into coverage the majority of the time" in that game. According to PFF, he dropped into coverage four times.

That's my only problem with the matter. It's the untruths the show the actual character of the man. One who I thought was supposed to be a good guy.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Who cares about Urlacher or Boldin? They aren't even Cowboys, so why would anyone care less what they do?

We also haven't been subjected to each of them whining and disrupting our football team for years all the while having the media and blind fans pretending he is a blessed saint.

Amen bro!

 

[Alexander]

Because i've never seen someone be so hated for not even causing that big of a stir in the first place.

No one outside of the Dallas fanbase would even know about this.

The fact is isn't know outside of the Dallas fanbase is irrelevant. The issue here is that he's never been a significant enough to make it important. Average or pretty good players do not get a lot of air time when they are making waves.

All of the good things he did here faaaaaaaaaaaaar out-weigh all of the "bad" things.

We only know about the "good things" because that's what we have been fed for years and years. But gradually over time other "things" come out, just like this.

From my perspective and someone said it earlier, he should be viewed as just as much of a disruption as Terrell Owens. He might have been "doing the right things" publicly but nobody knows what he was doing behind closed doors which could have been detrimental to the team.

I am sure he was liked by his teammates. Owens was liked by quite of a few of his teammates as well. They are on record with it. Players like Sam Hurd were mentored by him just as much as Ellis supposedly mentored Anthony Spencer. His status as a Union represtative cannot be dismissed either. That alone buys him a measure of reverence. He has also been the most tenured Cowboy in the locker room for quite some time. If he has either not bought into the program that the coaches were trying to implement or thought he was being screwed by management, that is definitely not something that can be outweighed by the fact he was well-liked by his teammates or was active with charity work (whoops Owens did that too).

 

[Alexander]

The problem I, and many others here have with this, is it's creating unnecessary headaches for our players currently on the team and this is the exact thing we're trying to rid ourselves of, headaches.

Who is causing the headaches?

Wait, its that player who is no longer on the team.

And what about the potential headaches he caused players on the team when he was claiming he can't lead because he was only in on "ten plays" when actually he was in quite a few more?

These headaches now are minor compared to what he could have caused during a very trying season last year.

The pressure has been on the Cowboys even more ever since the media explosion caused by the internet. And it will never get any better. The fewer dramatic individuals on this particular team, the better.

 

[casmith07]

Average or pretty good players do not get a lot of air time when they are making waves.

Sorry, but Bobby Carpenter completely goes against what you said here. The real fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what their talent level is, the Dallas Cowboys sell, no matter if you're the practice squad kicker and you saw Tony Romo give Jessica Simpson a kiss after practice instead of immediately hit the showers - it WILL make SportsCenter because of who the team is.

We only know about the "good things" because that's what we have been fed for years and years. But gradually over time other "things" come out, just like this.

From my perspective and someone said it earlier, he should be viewed as just as much of a disruption as Terrell Owens. He might have been "doing the right things" publicly but nobody knows what he was doing behind closed doors which could have been detrimental to the team.

I am sure he was liked by his teammates. Owens was liked by quite of a few of his teammates as well. They are on record with it. Players like Sam Hurd were mentored by him just as much as Ellis supposedly mentored Anthony Spencer. His status as a Union represtative cannot be dismissed either. That alone buys him a measure of reverence. He has also been the most tenured Cowboy in the locker room for quite some time. If he has either not bought into the program that the coaches were trying to implement or thought he was being screwed by management, that is definitely not something that can be outweighed by the fact he was well-liked by his teammates or was active with charity work (whoops Owens did that too).

I can agree with just about everything here.

 

[MrMom]

So is Brian Urlacher a whiner?

What about Boldin?

Do you guys hate them too?

Just wondering...

haha, dude urlacher gets destroyed on chicago radio.

 

[casmith07]

Skippy and Jackie McMullan just talked about this on 1st and 10:

Skippy: has a hard time believing the leagues best pass rusher in Ware would take himself out and hide so a 33 year old on the decline could get plays, says Ellis is just sour grapes, and wouldn't be surprised if Ellis didn't do much with Oakland.

McMullan: agrees.

Yes, I watch a lot of ESPN. Yes, I enjoy it, even if I disagree with the way they cover things sometimes. One example was their Tiger Woods-Roger Federer comparison debate they had between two no-names...it was ridiculous.