Elway and the Texans in a sword fight for the ages

[TwoCentPlain]

Well guessing usually involves a bit of reasoning behind the guess.

Claiming Houston might give up a 1 if Jax gives up a 2 is a bizarre statement because there is no evidence or even rumors that Jax has any interest in Romo.

At this point, why not guess that a bunch of other teams might have interest too?

Nothing bizarre about it at all. If Jax offers their 2nd rd pick, then Houston has to offer more or they lose out. Pretty simple business principle, in fact. Jax picked Myles Jack with their 2nd round pick last year. So, they would be basically giving up a Myles Jack type of player. Myles Jack didn't even start last year and no one knows yet if he is even starter material. Top of the 2nd round can yield good players and also yield some busts or so-so players. GMs gamble on FA, drafts, and injury. No guarantees in the NFL.

 

[KJJ]

With the move the Texans made to give Osweiler away they have a much bigger need at QB than Denver does. There has to be something in the works for Romo for them to make that move because Cutler isn't the answer, nor is Savage and there's no QB in the draft that's going to get them over the hump next season. Yesterdays move by the Texans is probably why the Cowboys didn't release Romo and are still trying to work out a trade.

The Texans probably could have gotten Romo with that #2 they gave to Cleveland to take Osweiler and his money off their hands but they obviously wanted to free up money. They're really going to be stuck next season if they don't end up with Romo.

 

[Alexander]

The Texans probably could have gotten Romo with that #2 they gave to Cleveland to take Osweiler and his money off their hands but they obviously wanted to free up money. They're really going to be stuck next season if they don't end up with Romo.

A #2 in 2018? I question if Jones would take that. I would without hesitation, but sometimes I wonder what he thinks his prize QB is worth.

 

[KJJ]

A #2 in 2018? I question if Jones would take that. I would without hesitation, but sometimes I wonder what he thinks his prize QB is worth.

He probably wants a #2 this year and then some to send him to Houston. Not the greatest marketing move to send what has been your franchise QB and is still your most popular player to the "other" team in Texas giving them what they may need to reach the SB. I'm sure there's some Romo FANS that would follow him to Houston. Some of his FANS are bigger FANS of him than they are of the team.

 

[Verdict]

This really needs to stop being brought up. Nobody is giving a 1st for Tony. It's not happening.

You really don't ultimately know what will be the consideration for the trade any more than I do. You can state your opinion, and it might even turn out to be accurate, but right now it is merely an opinion.

 

[Sydla]

Nothing bizarre about it at all. If Jax offers their 2nd rd pick, then Houston has to offer more or they lose out. Pretty simple business principle, in fact. Jax picked Myles Jack with their 2nd round pick last year. So, they would be basically giving up a Myles Jack type of player. Myles Jack didn't even start last year and no one knows yet if he is even starter material. Top of the 2nd round can yield good players and also yield some busts or so-so players. GMs gamble on FA, drafts, and injury. No guarantees in the NFL.

You are missing the point. I am not arguing about how to negotiate between multiple teams.

I am arguing that you've based your premise on an unreality. That unreality being that Jacksonville has interest in Romo. To date, there is nothing even rumored that would support that argument.

 

[Verdict]

So wait, this is like Sam Bradford's situation?

Funny, I don't remember anyone from Philadelphia saying they were going to do what's right by Sam, nor did they have a cap crunch that made it pretty necessary they get him off the books.

That was an opportunity trade. They had every intention of going into the season with him in front of Wentz, then Spielman called in a panic.

They don't have to do anything to get Romo off of the books. We are under the cap and his salary is already accounted for for the upcoming year. We don't have to do anything. We should wait this out as long as it takes.

If Houston loses its first two games with Savage at the helm how much will Romo be worth to them at that time?

 

[Verdict]

You are missing the point. I am not arguing about how to negotiate between multiple teams.

I am arguing that you've based your premise on an unreality. That unreality being that Jacksonville has interest in Romo. To date, there is nothing even rumored that would support that argument.

None of us ultimately know who is involved in the bidding war. You are guessing which is fine but it doesn't carry the same level of relevance as a known fact.

 

[Sydla]

None of us ultimately know who is involved in the bidding war. You are guessing which is fine but it doesn't carry the same level of relevance as a known fact.

In today's age of twitter and instant sports updates, if the Jags were sniffing around Romo, it would likely be reported by now. Or someone would be reporting now that there is a mystery third team talking about Romo. Certainly Dallas would want that leaked. A news report stating a third team is now involved with Romo would add more pressure to the Texans and Broncos.

The reality is that this is a Houston, possibly Denver, stand off. That's it.

 

[Alexander]

None of us ultimately know who is involved in the bidding war. .

If this is a "bidding war", it is the strangest one I have ever seen been carried out publicly.

Usually, you don't have categorical denials coming from both warring factions.

 

[Verdict]

Tom Coughlin didn't come out of retirement to develop a quarterback from scratch in the draft. They have a defense now that should be ready to dominate.

Jax should just throw a 4th rounder out there to see what happens. Houston will crap it's knickers.

I think if this was about a 4th round pick this would be concluded by now. I believe the consideration requested is greater than hat which is why it hasn't happened yet.

In negotiations you can't just listen to what a team is saying. You have to listen to what teams aren't saying. In this case the compensation requested by the Cowboys is either likely higher than what teams are willing to pay, or there is a bidding war going on behind the scenes.

Even though a team hasn't agreed to pay a certain amount for a player they often signal what they are willing to do based on what they are not saying as well. For instance if Dallas asks for a first and Houston is offering a second one might assume that because they haven't paid a first they won't That is not how negotiations work. Pauses in negotiations can cause a team to blink, or show their hand. Houston might say Ok we will give a second and a 7th for him instead.

More critically, Houston is likely telling Dallas we haven't ruled out paying what you are asking by sticking in the negotiations. When Houston says that's too rich, we are OUT that still doesn't mean they really mean it. It might mean that they think Dallas is bluffing and they don't want to bid against themselves.

Both Houston and Denver could say I'm out. Then Dallas' best move would be to say we are keeping Romo and we mean it and set a deadline for a trade at the day before the draft so that the picks can be used this year. That deadline could force a team to move if they want Romo because the deadline is reasonably tied to the draft picks for this year. A deadline means nothing if the team you are giving it to doesn't believe it is a hard line.

 

[Verdict]

If this is a "bidding war", it is the strangest one I have ever seen been carried out publicly.

Usually, you don't have categorical denials coming from both warring factions.

Incorrect. Houston and Denver will both want to appear to want Romo to stay in the bidding but not too eager or they drive the price up on each other.

 

[Verdict]

Buffalo may not be in this bidding war, but they should be.

 

[rynochop]

Funny reading other teams boards..they're acting like Jerry is going to end up swindling either team that gets him. Basically Jerry being a Sith Lord and manipulating everything. Here, Jerry is a drunken redneck that has no idea what's going on.lol

 

[tyke1doe]

A sword fight ... for the ages?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

You are missing the point. I am not arguing about how to negotiate between multiple teams.

I am arguing that you've based your premise on an unreality. That unreality being that Jacksonville has interest in Romo. To date, there is nothing even rumored that would support that argument.

Just because you haven't heard a rumor yet or the talking heads aren't discussing it on TV does not mean that it doesn't exist. I don't recall any rumors of Sam Bradford to Minn for a 1st rounder last year. But, like, hey, you know, maybe Minn did have some interest in Bradford last year and hid it pretty well from the media. I could be wrong, but that trade pretty much came out of nowhere and everyone was like, 'what?' Sort of like the Osweiler trade to the Browns. I didn't hear any rumors of that one, either.

 

[Sydla]

Just because you haven't heard a rumor yet or the talking heads aren't discussing it on TV does not mean that it doesn't exist. I don't recall any rumors of Sam Bradford to Minn for a 1st rounder last year. But, like, hey, you know, maybe Minn did have some interest in Bradford last year and hid it pretty well from the media. I could be wrong, but that trade pretty much came out of nowhere and everyone was like, 'what?' Sort of like the Osweiler trade to the Browns. I didn't hear any rumors of that one, either.

Using that premise, maybe the Patriots are in the mix too! They might have this master plan to trade Brady for three #1 picks and Jimmy G for two #1 picks!

And yes, when Bridgewater got hurt, there were reports the Vikings were looking at options at QB, possibly to trade. So you are somewhat wrong there.

There hasn't been a peep out of Jax that they are contemplating getting a new QB this year, other than I think some chatter about drafting a QB.

Let me stipulate two things:

1) Let's hope you are right and Jax enters the mix
2) Romo would make them better

But right now, there isn't a shred of evidence, even a bad rumor, stating that Jax might have interest in Romo.

 

[DCBoysfan]

Neither team can talk to Romo he still under contract to Dallas.

A sword fight ... for the ages?

 

[vaturkey]

I think Bortles isn't much for Jacksonville and Romo would be a huge upgrade. They have a pretty good defense, but not sure what they have in regards to the O-Line. You need to protect Romo like he's Waterford Crystal. He has never learned to see a rusher and throw himself into the ground like Manning did his last 4 or 5 years.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...les-is-the-king-of-garbage-time-stat-padding/

 

[MichaelWinicki]

One of them would enter, then jump out of the ring. Count out. Boos from the crowd. No epic matchup.

Yep.

Just because someone wasn't selling.