Emergency rescue effort is launched for teen sailor Abby Sunderland *Found alive*

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Doomsday101;3430781 said:
She was lucky the French ship came across her as she was well off course due to the storm she encountered.

You are terribly, terribly uninformed!

Here's 2 links that might give you some insight as to what is, and actually has transpired. Although I doubt you'll read even 2 lines from either, since they'll only prove how much out-of-your-*** you're talking

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DallasCowpoke;3430872 said:
You are terribly, terribly uninformed!

Here's 2 links that might give you some insight as to what is, and actually has transpired. Although I doubt you'll read even 2 lines from either, since they'll only prove how much out-of-your-*** you're talking

abbysunderland.com
soloround.blogspot.com

I read it and read the CNN report as well. Not sure why you want to trash talk me but if you feel the need to then be my guest.

"She's been dismasted. The rigging's over the side and in the water," Kinley told reporters Friday.
He said Wild Eyes was in the Southern Ocean about 2,000 miles southwest of Perth, Australia, when rescuers contacted her Friday.
"That's a long way from any merchant shipping," he said. "We're just fortunate that the French fishing vessel was in that region."
 

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Doomsday101;3430877 said:
I read it and read the CNN report as well. Not sure why you want to trash talk me but if you feel the need to then be my guest.

"She's been dismasted. The rigging's over the side and in the water," Kinley told reporters Friday.
He said Wild Eyes was in the Southern Ocean about 2,000 miles southwest of Perth, Australia, when rescuers contacted her Friday.
"That's a long way from any merchant shipping," he said. "We're just fortunate that the French fishing vessel was in that region."

Please, show me where she was "off-course", or where any "luck" was involved in her being located?

Quite the opposite. The contingency plans for just such an incident ie the EPIRB's and back-up emergency maritime radio, worked perfectly.

Again, go read HER ON-BOARD BLOG ENTRIES from the date leading up to the mast fracturing, and there's no mention of being "well off-course".
 

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DallasCowpoke;3430907 said:
Please, show me where she was "off-course", or where any "luck" was involved in her being located?

Quite the opposite. The contingency plans for just such an incident ie the EPIRB's and back-up emergency maritime radio, worked perfectly.

Again, go read HER ON-BOARD BLOG ENTRIES from the date leading up to the mast fracturing, and there's no mention of being "well off-course".

She was a long way from the shipping lanes it took the french ship over 24 hours to reach her. So she was pretty far off from where she was suppose to be not unexpected since she lost her sails in rough seas.

Don't know about you but they use the word "fortunate" another word for fortunate is "Lucky" check the Thesaurus if you would like

We're just fortunate that the French fishing vessel was in that region

Any time a boat loses its power and unable to keep the bow of the boat facing the waves you run a huge risk in rough seas of taking on water and sinking or capsizing.
 

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DallasCowpoke;3430907 said:
Please, show me where she was "off-course", or where any "luck" was involved in her being located?

Quite the opposite. The contingency plans for just such an incident ie the EPIRB's and back-up emergency maritime radio, worked perfectly.

Again, go read HER ON-BOARD BLOG ENTRIES from the date leading up to the mast fracturing, and there's no mention of being "well off-course".

She was not in the shipping lane do you know what the shipping lane is do you have a clue it does not appear to be the case.
 

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Doomsday101;3430919 said:
She was a long way from the shipping lanes it took the french ship over 24 hours to reach her. So she was pretty far off from where she was suppose to be not unexpected since she lost her sails in rough seas.

Don't know about you but they use the word "fortunate" another word for fortunate is "Lucky" check the Thesaurus if you would like

We're just fortunate that the French fishing vessel was in that region

Any time a boat loses its power and unable to keep the bow of the boat facing the waves you run a huge risk in rough seas of taking on water and sinking or capsizing.

Ummm, just an FYI.

She hasn't been "reached" yet by anything other than spotter planes from Australian Search & Rescue. But don't let that stop you from spouting off more misinformation.

Also, no clue where you get the idea that her course was designed to follow shipping lanes? But again, carry-on with your campaign of lunacy.
 

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Bottom line is parents are there to protect kids. Her parents are not protecting her. No parent in thier right mind would allow thier kids to attempt something like this. I don't care how good of a sailor she is. There are just too many variables.

There have been experts telling her that this is not the time to start on a trip of this magnitude because you'd be in the Southern Atlantic at the wrong time of the year. 100 foot waves, and very unpredictable weather. But you know why she left when she did? To break a stupid record.

Everyone who doesn't have a problem with this needs to ask themselves, with all the risks involved, what is her chance of survival? And be realistic. 50/50? 75/25? 90/10?

Now ask yourself, if your kid got on a ride at 6 flags, and you knew the possibility of death was 50/50, 75/25 or even 90/10.....would you let your kid get on that ride? Hell no you wouldn't. You simply don't take odds like that with your kids.

An 18 year old wants to jump on a boat and sail the world, good luck to you. But until you're 18, your parents are supposed to look after you and help you make decisions that are in your best interest.

If this girl breaks the record, next year it will be a 15 year old that tries, and after that record is set, it will be a 14 year old, 13, etc etc. When does it stop? When someone dies foolishly.

My 6 year old asked me for a pet rattlesnake. I said no.

My 4 year old wanted to play with my can of gasoline in the garage. I said no.

And if they ever come to me and say "dad, I'm a really good sailor, and I want to sail around the world, I'm going to say no.

thats what parents should do. Protect thier kids from being stupid.
 

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DallasCowpoke;3430925 said:
Ummm, just an FYI.

She hasn't been "reached" yet by anything other than spotter planes from Australian Search & Rescue. But don't let that stop you from spouting off more misinformation.

In other word you don't have a clue do not know what shipping lanes are and do not understand how far away from the shipping lanes she was. But please continue to talk smack.
 

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CowboyWay;3430933 said:
Bottom line is parents are there to protect kids. Her parents are not protecting her...thats what parents should do. Protect thier kids from being stupid.

Parents aren't just there to protect though, they also hold the duty of facilitating development.
 

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CowboyWay;3430933 said:
Bottom line is parents are there to protect kids. Her parents are not protecting her. No parent in thier right mind would allow thier kids to attempt something like this. I don't care how good of a sailor she is. There are just too many variables.

There have been experts telling her that this is not the time to start on a trip of this magnitude because you'd be in the Southern Atlantic at the wrong time of the year. 100 foot waves, and very unpredictable weather. But you know why she left when she did? To break a stupid record.

Everyone who doesn't have a problem with this needs to ask themselves, with all the risks involved, what is her chance of survival? And be realistic. 50/50? 75/25? 90/10?

Now ask yourself, if your kid got on a ride at 6 flags, and you knew the possibility of death was 50/50, 75/25 or even 90/10.....would you let your kid get on that ride? Hell no you wouldn't. You simply don't take odds like that with your kids.

An 18 year old wants to jump on a boat and sail the world, good luck to you. But until you're 18, your parents are supposed to look after you and help you make decisions that are in your best interest.

If this girl breaks the record, next year it will be a 15 year old that tries, and after that record is set, it will be a 14 year old, 13, etc etc. When does it stop? When someone dies foolishly.

My 6 year old asked me for a pet rattlesnake. I said no.

My 4 year old wanted to play with my can of gasoline in the garage. I said no.

And if they ever come to me and say "dad, I'm a really good sailor, and I want to sail around the world, I'm going to say no.

thats what parents should do. Protect thier kids from being stupid.

I respect your right to feel differently about this than I do for your own reasons. But you don't seem to be able to find it within yourself to do the same for me and those who feel the way that I do. You simply proclaim your opinion as absolute truth. It's not. Neither is mine. But then I am not adamantly insisting that mine is.
 

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CowboyWay;3430933 said:
Bottom line is parents are there to protect kids. Her parents are not protecting her. No parent in thier right mind would allow thier kids to attempt something like this. I don't care how good of a sailor she is. There are just too many variables.

There have been experts telling her that this is not the time to start on a trip of this magnitude because you'd be in the Southern Atlantic at the wrong time of the year. 100 foot waves, and very unpredictable weather. But you know why she left when she did? To break a stupid record.

Everyone who doesn't have a problem with this needs to ask themselves, with all the risks involved, what is her chance of survival? And be realistic. 50/50? 75/25? 90/10?

Now ask yourself, if your kid got on a ride at 6 flags, and you knew the possibility of death was 50/50, 75/25 or even 90/10.....would you let your kid get on that ride? Hell no you wouldn't. You simply don't take odds like that with your kids.

An 18 year old wants to jump on a boat and sail the world, good luck to you. But until you're 18, your parents are supposed to look after you and help you make decisions that are in your best interest.

If this girl breaks the record, next year it will be a 15 year old that tries, and after that record is set, it will be a 14 year old, 13, etc etc. When does it stop? When someone dies foolishly.

My 6 year old asked me for a pet rattlesnake. I said no.

My 4 year old wanted to play with my can of gasoline in the garage. I said no.

And if they ever come to me and say "dad, I'm a really good sailor, and I want to sail around the world, I'm going to say no.

thats what parents should do. Protect thier kids from being stupid.
I'm sorry but your examples of rattlesnakes and gasoline just aren't very good. No parent would allow those things, but some will allow their kids to learn to sail or climb mountains or ride bulls, etc.

This girl has proven herself to be more than capable. Look how far she has made it since January. If she was completely incapable of this she would have been dead or lost long ago.

Instead, she has shown calm in the face of severe weather and resourcefulness to stay where she has been found alive and well. If not for a fluke of a broken mast she would still be on her journey with no issues.

I'm sorry, but that shows she is capable. Unless you want to tell me that the greatest sailor in the world could somehow suffer a broken mast and do the miraculous and keep going. Then I am going to want proof.

It is not what I would hope for my daughter, but I'll be damned if I turn a blind eye to the fact that the girl has character and character matters.
 

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Doomsday101;3430939 said:
In other word you don't have a clue do not know what shipping lanes are and do not understand how far away from the shipping lanes she was. But please continue to talk smack.

She was outside of shipping lanes but that doesn't necessarily mean she was off course. Since there is a mileage requirement to breaking the record, she may have just been picking up extra sea time by heading south. Without knowing her planned route it's impossible to say whether or not she was off course.
 

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Doomsday101;3430939 said:
In other word you don't have a clue do not know what shipping lanes are and do not understand how far away from the shipping lanes she was. But please continue to talk smack.
I would need to see where she is required to rigidly stay in the shipping lanes and how not being there caused the mast to break. A small vessel like that in a shipping lane could get run over. Are all vessels required to be in certain lanes only or are these still international waters?

What I am saying is, I don't put much weight on her being outside the shipping lanes until someone can show me that is a critical and careless error.
 

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The whole in or out of shipping lanes to me is pretty immaterial to this discussion anyway. The point seems to center around whether she is "lucky" to be alive or not. As if that word will settle this difference of opinion.

It won't.

Let's not pretend this is some goofball kid who just took this trip on a lark and got bailed out because someone luckily happened to find her. That's just not true.

Nor is it true that no risk was involved in this. Obviously there was. No one would dispute that. The question is whether it was responsible to allow that risk to be undertaken. And on that issue we simply have disagreement.
 

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Hostile;3430950 said:
I would need to see where she is required to rigidly stay in the shipping lanes and how not being there caused the mast to break. A small vessel like that in a shipping lane could get run over. Are all vessels required to be in certain lanes only or are these still international waters?

What I am saying is, I don't put much weight on her being outside the shipping lanes until someone can show me that is a critical and careless error.

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The word circumnavigate is based in geometry and means to travel around something. Guidelines issued by Guinness World Records in December 2006 state that a human powered circumnavigation must travel a minimum of 23,000 nautical miles (about 38,000 kilometers) cross the equator, cross all lines of longitude and must depart/arrive from the same port. Read more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumnavigation
 

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Friday, June 11, 2010 11:42am PDT

Sailor Abby Sunderland awaits rescue as questions arise about journey

By: Pete Thomas, GrindTV.com


One more day....

Help is due to reach embattled sailor Abby Sunderland, in the form of a French fishing boat named Ile De La Reunion, at about midnight (PDT) tonight.
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The 16-year-old adventurer, who had not been heard from for 20 hours after activating her emergency satellite beacons, but was found to be safe late Thursday night aboard her de-masted vessel, is not out of danger yet.

Sunderland had hoped to become the youngest person to sail around the world alone.

The crew aboard an Australian spotter plane that located her 40-foot cruising sled, Wild Eyes, as it floundered in the southern Indian Ocean, was at the limit of its range and had to turn back, leaving the rescue to the French fishermen, who were nearest her position.

The winds remain strong and the seas are still rough -- though not nearly as rough as they had been.

If seas remain rough -- there were 30-foot seas today but they had begun to abate, according to satellite reports -- when the fishing vessel arrives, the pickup could be tricky. The two-day trip to the French-controlled Reunion Island -- if that is, in fact, where the boat will be headed; it's still unclear -- will be bumpy but the fishing boat is more than 100 feet long and designed for big seas.

The Quantas Airbus A330 was sent merely to find Wild Eyes, assess its condition, and to try to make contact with the sailor via VHF radio.

Abby told the airplane crew that she was fine and unharmed. Her parents and six brothers and sisters, along with the family's pastor and close friends, breathed a collective sigh of relief after receiving the news late Thursday night.

Wild Eyes presumably rolled and lost its mast not long after Abby lost satellite phone contact with her parents.

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Less than an hour after the call dropped -- she had previously lost her Internet connection -- the U.S. Coast Guard called the Sunderlands at their home in Thousand Oaks, Calif., to notify them that two emergency beacons had been activated.

Now that she has been found and seemingly will make it home safely, the wisdom of her journey has come into question.

Age will become an issue, but what happened to Sunderland -- she endured waves to 50 feet and wind speeds perhaps in excess of 65 mph -- could have happened and has happened to older and more seasoned sailors in similar circumstances.

Before her vessel was disabled, Sunderland endured days of strong winds and multiple "knockdowns," causing the mast or its spreaders to hit water.

"That very well could have happened to anyone," said Charlie Nobles, executive director of the American Sailing Assn. "As far as the specific things that led to it and any decisions, yes, that could play some role in it.

"But it's pretty hard for the boat to be completely de-masted unless it's something pretty horrendous -- the waves and the weather and the repeated poundings and the knockdowns... because even carbon-fiber and steel can only take so much after a point."

Nobles added that Sunderland acted properly by activating the emergency beacons immediately after losing her mast. "That was the mature and right decision to make and I think that given what Mother Nature has dealt her, she's handled it very well from everything I've seen."

Of the age issue Laurence Sunderland, Abby's father has repeatedly dismissed criticism from others who don't know Abby or care that she has a dream or that she has an extensive sailing background.

"A lot of kids these days are whittling away aimless hours on computer games, videos and computers and I know it's not doing them a lot of good," Laurence said at the outset of Abby's trip. "It's not creative and it has shut down their senses. I think those things are a cancer on society and they have helped lead to the obesity problem kids today face."

But should Abby have been so low in the Indian Ocean, along the 40-degree latitude known for good reason as the "Roaring Forties," at this time of year, with the stormy Southern Hemisphere winter so close at hand?

She chose the route partly to steer clear of pirates farther north in the Indian Ocean, and she originally hoped to embark from Marina del Rey at least two months before she finally left on Jan. 23. Boat issues were the cause of the delays.

Laurence Sunderland, who is a shopwright, said in the weeks before her departure: "I've told Abigail, 'You will see 60 knots of wind down there, probably on more than one occasion.' "

Laurence added: "I have no doubt in my mind that this boat is going to get totally knocked around down there."

Australia's Ian Kiernan, who has sailed around the world, told Sky News television on Friday that even if Abby had made it safely through the latest storm, she "would be going through a very difficult time with mountainous seas and essentially hurricane-force winds."

Legendary Australian sailor and adventurer Don McIntyre, in an interview as Abby was preparing to round Cape Horn, predicted: "I think the biggest question mark will not be the Horn. It will be the Indian Ocean and under Australia. It can be worse there, especially late in the season.

"This will be Abby's biggest challenge. Her weather router will be critical, and while her boat is able to sail fast to position for better weather, it can only do that if the skipper and equipment are working. An electrical problem, concerns for the rig, etc., can turn everything upside down in an instant."

Pat Henry, a female sailor who has logged a successful circumnavigation of the planet, said this week: "To some extent I concur on the timing issue, but these conditions can happen even in the 'right' season."

Henry, an artist living in Puerto Vallarta, said she endured similar conditions in November -- the warm season -- in the South Pacific between Bora Bora and Rarotonga.

"Perhaps she could have chosen to sit out the winter in South Africa [Abby was forced to make repairs in Cape Town], once the non-stop status was lost. But that would have been a tough decision. Once she committed herself to the project, I'm sure she still wanted to come as close as she could to her goal."

Australia's Jessica Watson, who completed a much-celebrated solo-circumnavigation last month, just days before her 17th birthday, left three months before Sunderland at what is considered the ideal time for a Southern Ocean sail.

Even so, she endured 70-knot winds and multiple knockdowns on at least two occasions.

Unfortunately for Abby, she got caught in an area where a warm mass of air collided with the colder unsettled weather and the result was a supercharged storm with sustained winds of 45-60 knots, with much stronger gusts, and with seas as high as 50 feet.

That is what brought an abrupt and dramatic end to her odyssey. Knowing Abby, though, she will try once more, at some point in her life, to either complete this voyage on a different boat or start again from scratch.

-- Images of Abby Sunderland courtesy of 2010 Lisa Gizara/GizaraArts.Com

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog...aits+rescue+as+questions+arise+about+journey/
 

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WG,

Thanks so much for that update. Easily the best account I've read on this.

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That was a good article that only convinces me she was more than capable of doing this.
 
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