Entitlement

[TwoDeep3]

So you are saying the Steelers feel entitled since Ruthlessraper wanted to talk directly to Rooney II about Arians.

The Patriots were really entitled given the close relationship they all had with Robert Kraft's widow.

The Eagles too given Lurie's wife met Vick and signed off on their acquiring him.

In fact, I bet more teams and players have access between players and owners than our fans would like to admit.

I bet isolated anecdotes are not the norm for teams such as you suggested.

Management 101, do not fraternize with the help.

Even the military makes a big issue of it.

Just saying. We have a petri dish where we are growing a culture that is abnormal to the smooth workings of the usual business. Even the entertainment business we follow as fans.

Jones has fostered an unhealthy atmosphere by making himself available and in the past overruling the head coach.

Far too many instances like bringing TO in that undermine the authority of the head coach by a guy who wants the world to know he is a football guy.

While there may be special circumstances with every team that calls for the owner to resolve an issue, they are not biz as usual by any stretch.

But then we have a unique circumstance wherein the owner wants to be involved.

Even Danny Snyder is backing off because his way doesn't work.

I wish Jer would just join a FF league and call it a day.

 

[Hostile]

I bet isolated anecdotes are not the norm for teams such as you suggested.

Of course you do.

 

[birdwells1]

Of course you do.

Hos, this has been a good thread with alot of good back and forth but what other owner or GM is the face of the franchise? Al Davis has passed away so now that, imo, leaves only Jerry. He's the reason this culture is the way it is.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, this has been a good thread with alot of good back and forth but what other owner or GM is the face of the franchise? Al Davis has passed away so now that, imo, leaves only Jerry. He's the reason this culture is the way it is.

This and a 5 dollar bill will get you an over priced coffee at Starbucks.

Football is won and lost on the football field by execution of the players and the coaches. I have never heard our players or coaches agree with the belief that some nebulous Oz causes us to lose.

 

[Risen Star]

When the player can circumvent the head coach to go directly to the owner, then that entitlement is bound to happen.

When Jerry Jones speaks about football coaching decisions in we terms, that is bound to happen.

The biggest advantage Jerry could put himself in is to fire himself as GM. That way when players come to pal around and try and get Daddy to overrule Mommy, then Jerry would refer them back to the GM or head coach.

You cannot be friends with your employees and expect to gain their respect.

You cannot castrate the head coach by being the owner and GM and allowing players access to a higher authority without creating two masters.

A house with two masters is divided.

This is ignored sometimes.

The results underscore the foolishness of the decision position to yourself to be considered a "football guy."

You might as well have typed that to Ray Charles, but yeah. Couldn't be more on point.

Every ounce of failure with this team the last 16 years in all aspects of the organization can be traced right back to the lunatic owner.

 

[Risen Star]

This and a 5 dollar bill will get you an over priced coffee at Starbucks.

Football is won and lost on the football field by execution of the players and the coaches. I have never heard our players or coaches agree with the belief that some nebulous Oz causes us to lose.

Yes, because it would be perfectly normal to hear players and coaches come out and say their owner is the problem.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So you are saying the Steelers feel entitled since Ruthlessraper wanted to talk directly to Rooney II about Arians.

The Patriots were really entitled given the close relationship they all had with Robert Kraft's widow.

The Eagles too given Lurie's wife met Vick and signed off on their acquiring him.

In fact, I bet more teams and players have access between players and owners than our fans would like to admit.

I think that in every sport, there are many instances of owners becoming very close to some, if not many of the players.

In Buffalo, after Terry Pegula purchased the Buffalo Sabres, one of the things he did was invite all the players to his yacht for a big party after the season concluded.

I'm sure owners are always doing stuff like this and it would break down the supposed barrier between the players and the owner. I'm not going to say it's a good thing or bad thing, but there's no doubt in my mind that it happens.

Someone can't tell me that the players on the Mavs do not have Mark Cuban's ear.

Ralph Wilson, owner of the Bills was the one that helped drive the Flutie/Johnson issues for the Bills. Wade wanted the one QB, and Ralph Wilson the other. Guess who won?

Again, I bet this sort of thing happens all the time.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Yes, because it would be perfectly normal to hear players and coaches come out and say their owner is the problem.

You guys claim that Jerry has directly caused 16 straight years of organizational dysfunction. But in all that time not a single former player or coach comes out of the woodwork with a tell-all about how Jerry's got his grubby hands in every pie and is ruining everything. Why? Because that kind of story wouldn't sell? Yeah. Right.

 

[DallasEast]

You guys claim that Jerry has directly caused 16 straight years of organizational dysfunction. But in all that time not a single former player or coach comes out of the woodwork with a tell-all about how Jerry's got his grubby hands in every pie and is ruining everything. Why? Because that kind of story wouldn't sell? Yeah. Right.

This is a very valid point in this day-and-age of so-called reality television.

 

[Hostile]

Yes, because it would be perfectly normal to hear players and coaches come out and say their owner is the problem.

"They want you to cook the dinner; at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries. Okay?"

Uh huh.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You guys claim that Jerry has directly caused 16 straight years of organizational dysfunction. But in all that time not a single former player or coach comes out of the woodwork with a tell-all about how Jerry's got his grubby hands in every pie and is ruining everything. Why? Because that kind of story wouldn't sell? Yeah. Right.

It was well-documented in the case of Deion among others after Jimmy left. And more recently, just look at the Pacman fiasco.

Even Larry Allen when Parcells was here and Jerry would go to the bench to sooth his feelings.

 

[Hostile]

It was well-documented in the case of Deion among others after Jimmy left. And more recently, just look at the Pacman fiasco.

Pacman and Deion have tell all books about how Jerry destroys things at VR?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

We don't need players who want to be rock stars in Dallas.

We need players who want to be pro bowlers among their peers and hall of famers in Canton.

When Garrett talks about the 'right kind of guys', he's not talking about the former; he's talking abot the latter.

The OP talks about Mike Jenkins. Ask yourself this: based on his antics lately, what kind of player do you feel he is he emulating, the former or the latter?

I think the answer is obvious, which is why Carr and Claiborme are the new starters, and Jenkins is left ASIDE with no leverage, and only his sense of self-entitlement to lean on.

 

[birdwells1]

This and a 5 dollar bill will get you an over priced coffee at Starbucks.

Football is won and lost on the football field by execution of the players and the coaches. I have never heard our players or coaches agree with the belief that some nebulous Oz causes us to lose.

This entitlement issue has been around for years, it didn't start with Garrett, Wade, Campo, nor Gailey. With the exception of Garrett those other coaches have come and gone but the issue is still here. Players, over that time span, have come and gone also.

You have to go to the one constant in this organization over that time span and that's Jerry and the way he runs this organization.

Someone said that they didn't want any "rock star" players and I totally agree with that opinion. If we find that we do have those kind of guys we should definitely weed them out.

Here's the next question, what do you do when you have a "rock star" owner/gm?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Here's the next question, what do you do when you have a "rock star" owner/gm?

In that case the owner is going to catch far more grief (when they lose) and far more credit (when they win), because they are a "lightning rod" for fans and the media, a la Mark Cuban.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

In that case the owner is going to catch far more grief (when they lose) and far more credit (when they win), because they are a "lightning rod" for fans and the media, a la Mark Cuban.

And I believe he has. At least from the national media and a select few in the DFW media.

But the fan base, for the most part, still treat him like a rock star.

I was at 5 games over the past 3 years plus some training camps and each time Jerry makes an appearance on the big screen or on the field (during TC) the fans cheer madly as if the Rolling Stones just entered the building.

 

[Risen Star]

And I believe he has. At least from the national media and a select few in the DFW media.

But the fan base, for the most part, still treat him like a rock star.

I was at 5 games over the past 3 years plus some training camps and each time Jerry makes an appearance on the big screen or on the field (during TC) the fans cheer madly as if the Rolling Stones just entered the building.

Which should tell you all you need to know about the intelligence level of our fan base.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Which should tell you all you need to know about the intelligence level of our fan base.

I think it would be that way with any fan base.

 

[Risen Star]

I think it would be that way with any fan base.

Eagles fans would hate the guy. I suspect Giants fans would do the same.

 

[Hostile]

This entitlement issue has been around for years, it didn't start with Garrett, Wade, Campo, nor Gailey. With the exception of Garrett those other coaches have come and gone but the issue is still here. Players, over that time span, have come and gone also.

You have to go to the one constant in this organization over that time span and that's Jerry and the way he runs this organization.

Someone said that they didn't want any "rock star" players and I totally agree with that opinion. If we find that we do have those kind of guys we should definitely weed them out.

Here's the next question, what do you do when you have a "rock star" owner/gm?

I am not saying the entitlement issue is new. By sheer virtue of the fact I mentioned Parcells' quote and the 18 players from a 5-11 team with radio shows that should be obvious.

Football has changed. Years ago there were very few players who saw football as a stage for them to perform. Now that is not at all the case. The TD and sack celebrations, the big hits, the constantly on TV, and even the popularity of the Draft have taught our kids that football is the spotlight.

Well, in Dallas, Texas that spotlight shines brighter than anywhere else in the nation. The entitlement era began with the big Free Agency era, skyrocketing contracts, increased popularity of the game, and yes, Jerry Jones is a contributor to all of that.

But if you imagine that there are no players feeling entitled on a team without a visible owner then you are simply deluding yourself. I guarantee you that after winning the Super Bowl and then going 15-1 that there are Green Bay players beginning to have to fight this.

Take a player like Clay Matthews for instance. Third generation player, long hair, California surfboard looks, Pro Bowls, commercials, USC Trojans background. If you can look me in the eye and say he has no sense of entitlement at all I will laugh. But the Packers have the least visible owner in any sport because there is no single, solitary majority owner.

I guarantee you Eli Manning has lived a life where he feels entitled. Look at how he acted and forced the trade from the Chargers. Look at all the commercials.

You're telling me that is because of John Mara? I can't buy that. I believe it is a trapping of youth.

Yes, in Dallas it is easy for players to get overwhelmed by these feelings. lucky for us we have a Head Coach focusing them on the team first concepts and the leadership of our best players is showing up.

It will pay dividends.

Entitlement does not mean losses will happen. It means that players get a little full of themselves. How hard is that to do when you have women throwing themselves at you, big houses, fancy cars, jewelry, and millions of dollars in income?

I consider myself a pretty down to earth guy. I drive a pickup, work with my hands, wear jeans, t-shirts, and new balance shoes. But you give me all that, and I promise you I'm going to feel entitled. Hell, at college I didn't have any of that stuff (except the girls) but me and my teammates never had to stand in line at the lunch counter at the student union and we always got extra food. I had new shoes any time I went to the trainer and asked for them. I got the big head. I had it in HS.

I don't believe there is a player walking this earth who doesn't feel some sense of it. But I am saying Parcells is right. In Dallas because we are America's team, on TV all over the country, TV Ratings higher than anyone else, big stadium, star on the helmet...he is right it can get microwaved. He is so right.

Can we overcome it? Yes. Can it derail this team? Yes. Like I said it is a trapping of youth and fame.

What do I do when we have a rock star owner/GM? Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't whine about it. I remember when Tex Schramm was more powerful than the NFL Commissioner, who used to work for him in Los Angeles. I don't invent scapegoats and religiously stick to them. And I certainly don't think he is the only one in the country in any sport. They've been around forever.