Escobar is the definition of inconsistent

[Alexander]

Escobar has seven TD catches in two seasons plus two games.

And? Joseph Fauria had 7 TDs in his rookie year with Detroit. He is bouncing around the league right now.

 

[sureletsrace]

GB, I typically agree with your posts, but I can't agree with this one. Beasley has very good hands, and Escobar doesn't seem to drop many.

I may be wrong, and I'm expecting someone to come in here and statistic the hell out of me; I just don't see it on Sundays I guess.

 

[AdamJT13]

And? Joseph Fauria had 7 TDs in his rookie year with Detroit. He is bouncing around the league right now.

How is that relevant?

 

[Alexander]

How is that relevant?

It is about as relevant as you praising Escobar's TD production. It means absolutely nothing in terms of "production" when you downplayed the comment about Bennett.

Production for a TE is more than bean counting TD passes. Fauria pretty much demonstrates how that exercise is a waste of time.

Facts are simple. Escobar isn't even a true second TE right now. He can't block well enough to kick the Hannas and Swaims out of the way.

He is a specialty player who frankly is not even all that good at that.

 

[Zordon]

I was really looking forward to seeing Escobar reach a new level over the course of the next few weeks, but the guy is just inconsistent. For someone who is supposed to have the best hands on the team, he seems like he is a very erratic catcher, and like Beasley he seems to have a touch of the fumbles.

It's striking me how inconsistent most of our receivers are turning out to be be outside of Witten and Bryant. I think Williams has stone hands, and Beasley definitely has a problem holding on to the ball based on his number of catches.

I know after Romo going down even more people will want a QB drafted high, but at this point I want another WR high and/or a RB or T. Hell QB is probably the last position of need in my mind. I think a very sloppy game put Romo and continued risk. Dropped passes, WRs struggling to get open, offensive linemen/tight ends getting false starts... You run the score early, and you can keep your QB clean.

Idk man if the whole team has fumble issues, then maybe it's a coaching problem.

 

[sbark]

Esco makes me mad as well but Its hard staying in a game mentally when you are the 5-6 option. If JW plays sparingly the next two games I believe Esco will step up its hard playing behind a Hall of Famer. I can prove this to be true. Who are and or where the second TE's behind Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez Jeff Heath, Gronk we dont know their names cause either A.)They where not targeted or B.) Never developed cause of the guy in front of them never got off the field

He needs to set himself apart like the Patriots Hernandez did......

 

[Nightman]

And? Joseph Fauria had 7 TDs in his rookie year with Detroit. He is bouncing around the league right now.

That is great production from a TE. What he is doing now is irrelevant.

Since Escobar has 8ish TDs in his limited role that is pretty darn good.

You might argue it isn't a precursor of future production, which I wouldn't, but you can't throw it away as meaningless.

 

[Garrettop]

Flailing like wackywildwavingarminflatibletubeman on that endzone pass that Dez makes look routine, and then the bonehead fumble, didn't help any perceptions about him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I was really looking forward to seeing Escobar reach a new level over the course of the next few weeks, but the guy is just inconsistent. For someone who is supposed to have the best hands on the team, he seems like he is a very erratic catcher, and like Beasley he seems to have a touch of the fumbles.

It's striking me how inconsistent most of our receivers are turning out to be be outside of Witten and Bryant. I think Williams has stone hands, and Beasley definitely has a problem holding on to the ball based on his number of catches.

I know after Romo going down even more people will want a QB drafted high, but at this point I want another WR high and/or a RB or T. Hell QB is probably the last position of need in my mind. I think a very sloppy game put Romo and continued risk. Dropped passes, WRs struggling to get open, offensive linemen/tight ends getting false starts... You run the score early, and you can keep your QB clean.

Nonsense.
The kid needs reps but Witten is the go-to guy.
You dont show promise without getting in synch or repitition like witten half

 

[AdamJT13]

It is about as relevant as you praising Escobar's TD production.

Escobar plays for the Cowboys, and Bennett played for the Cowboys. Fauria has never played for the Cowboys. He is irrelevant to the discussion about Escobar's and Bennett's contributions to the Cowboys.

It means absolutely nothing in terms of "production" when you downplayed the comment about Bennett.

Touchdowns aren't part of production? Bennett was a good blocker, but he wasn't much of a threat in the red zone (seven catches in four seasons, only two for TDs). Escobar isn't as good at blocking, but he's a much better red zone threat.

Facts are simple. Escobar isn't even a true second TE right now. He can't block well enough to kick the Hannas and Swaims out of the way.

He is a specialty player who frankly is not even all that good at that.

And yet he played 48 snaps on Sunday.

 

[Alexander]

Escobar plays for the Cowboys, and Bennett played for the Cowboys. Fauria has never played for the Cowboys. He is irrelevant to the discussion about Escobar's and Bennett's contributions to the Cowboys.

Wait, hold on. So all talk of relevance relates only to what the player does as a Cowboy?

You dismissed Bennett's role and contribution by using touchdown productivity.

So in your limited view, what they do wearing the laundry is all that counts? Laughable.

Touchdowns aren't part of production? Bennett was a good blocker, but he wasn't much of a threat in the red zone (seven catches in four seasons, only two for TDs). Escobar isn't as good at blocking, but he's a much better red zone threat.

Production is playing a role. I guess your definition of Escobar's role is based solely on touchdowns.

I would not call him a threat. If he were, he would be, you know, like Fauria was probably considered by Lions fans. A threat because he caught a bunch of TDs.

All it means is that the player is so limited that he does one thing. That is not production. That is the exact definition of a specialty player.

And yet he played 48 snaps on Sunday.

And he would not have if our passing attack was not limited by Bryant's injury. He certainly would not have logged nearly fifty snaps if we planned to run the ball, because, well he can't block. He is a souped up WR.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I was really looking forward to seeing Escobar reach a new level over the course of the next few weeks, but the guy is just inconsistent. For someone who is supposed to have the best hands on the team, he seems like he is a very erratic catcher, and like Beasley he seems to have a touch of the fumbles.

It's striking me how inconsistent most of our receivers are turning out to be be outside of Witten and Bryant. I think Williams has stone hands, and Beasley definitely has a problem holding on to the ball based on his number of catches.

I know after Romo going down even more people will want a QB drafted high, but at this point I want another WR high and/or a RB or T. Hell QB is probably the last position of need in my mind. I think a very sloppy game put Romo and continued risk. Dropped passes, WRs struggling to get open, offensive linemen/tight ends getting false starts... You run the score early, and you can keep your QB clean.

LOL QB is the most important position of need right now. Please don't kid yourself. If Tony goes down for good who do we have?

It will be the Carter vs. Hutchinson saga all over again.

As for Escobar being very erratic I think that was his first fumble ever. Same with Beasley. so I think you should give them a bit of slack.

 

[plasticman]

There are 68 TE's with 20 or more receptions in the combined seasons of 2013-2015.

Escobar is ranked #25 in catch percentage.

He is ranked #2 in TD to receptions ratio.

He is ranked #20 in yards per reception.

Escobar would be the starter today on at least half the teams in the league.

However, we have a Hall of Famer starting. Almost every TE in history is inferior in comparison to Jason Witten.

 

[Danger]

Flailing like wackywildwavingarminflatibletubeman on that endzone pass that Dez makes look routine, and then the bonehead fumble, didn't help any perceptions about him.

Escobar is no where near as physical as Dez. It's why he sucks on those back shoulder throws. I remember we tried to throw him one in Seattle and it was almost a pick six.

In general I think our offensive weapons outside of Witten and Dez are overrated by fans. The "uncoverable" Cole Beasley was a non factor vs. Philly. Williams is inconsistent as hell. None of our options can consistently step up for us. Hopefully for our sake that will change, but I'm not seeing any improvement in the receiving corps.

 

[links18]

It is about as relevant as you praising Escobar's TD production. It means absolutely nothing in terms of "production" when you downplayed the comment about Bennett.

Production for a TE is more than bean counting TD passes. Fauria pretty much demonstrates how that exercise is a waste of time.

Facts are simple. Escobar isn't even a true second TE right now. He can't block well enough to kick the Hannas and Swaims out of the way.

He is a specialty player who frankly is not even all that good at that.

So, you are not an Escobar fan I take it? But he is a Red Zone demon apparently....

 

[AdamJT13]

Wait, hold on. So all talk of relevance relates only to what the player does as a Cowboy?

You dismissed Bennett's role and contribution by using touchdown productivity.

So in your limited view, what they do wearing the laundry is all that counts? Laughable.

When talking about their contributions to the Cowboys, yes, the only thing that counts is what they did while playing for the Cowboys. Is that really difficult to understand?

You said Bennett contributed more. I pointed out one area where Bennett contributed very little as a Cowboy, and Escobar has already contributed much more in about half the time. Whether you want to count blocking as "contributing" more than scoring touchdowns is up to you.

 

[Alexander]

Escobar would be the starter today on at least half the teams in the league.

No, he would not because he cannot block to save his life.

He would be a second TE on practically every team except those that are very deficient at the position and do not ask the tight end to be versatile.

A TE is not just a bigger WR on all teams. Look at Graham. He is practically invisible in Seattle because of the fit.

He is not a lot different than Scott Chandler. And we had him for nothing.

 

[Alexander]

When talking about their contributions to the Cowboys, yes, the only thing that counts is what they did while playing for the Cowboys. Is that really difficult to understand?

You said Bennett contributed more. I pointed out one area where Bennett contributed very little as a Cowboy, and Escobar has already contributed much more in about half the time. Whether you want to count blocking as "contributing" more than scoring touchdowns is up to you.

I did not say "more". Bennett played when Witten was in his prime. Fasano even more. So you believe Escobar is better than either because he has a few more situational touchdown receptions?

And yes, I guess I do have a different definition of "contributing" than you do. That is very clear.

 

[AdamJT13]

He is not a lot different than Scott Chandler. And we had him for nothing.

Scott Chandler, who was never even targeted one time the entire time he played for us?

 

[AdamJT13]

I did not say "more".

Sorry, it was someone else who said Bennett "contributed more," and to whom I responded with Escobar's touchdown contributions in my initial post in this thread.

So you believe Escobar is better than either because he has a few more situational touchdown receptions?

I never said anything about anyone being "better." I was talking about his contributions. There is a difference.

And yes, I guess I do have a different definition of "contributing" than you do. That is very clear.

Except that you don't even know my definition of it.