Escobar only had three offensive snaps on Sunday?

[Mr Cowboy]

i believe if you look we ran two te's alot in the texans game, and the others two

you are probably right, but one TE was a 4th rounder and the other a 6th rounder, while our 2nd rounder sat on the sidelines, again.

 

[Idgit]

Escobar is an embarrassment of riches?

lol

I like the guy, but come on now!

That was a reference to our overall depth offensively.

 

[Blackspider214]

You guys are unbelievable.

There's a role for him on this team. Quit complaining about an embarrassment of riches. If you're going to complain, let's hear about the paucity of edge rushers we've got on this defense.

How are we unbelievable? Because we can't figure out how to get a 2nd round draft pick from 2013 on the field? Sorry but you don't use 2nd round picks just to have a "role". You are supposed to be a cornerstone impact player. He is so far from that it's not even funny. That was such a botched pick. There was no need to draft a TE in that spot, especially seeing how we never use a 2 TE set and Witten was still a competent player.

That pick pisses me off, as it does a lot of people.

 

[Staubacher]

How are we unbelievable? Because we can't figure out how to get a 2nd round draft pick from 2013 on the field? Sorry but you don't use 2nd round picks just to have a "role". You are supposed to be a cornerstone impact player. He is so far from that it's not even funny. That was such a botched pick. There was no need to draft a TE in that spot, especially seeing how we never use a 2 TE set and Witten was still a competent player.

That pick pisses me off, as it does a lot of people.

You can be mad all you want. Escobar's final verdict is a long ways off. In the meantime, how about being happy we are loaded on offense, our early draft picks on the OL (which were also heavily criticized around here) look genius now, we have an undrafted stud guard (Leary), and we're playing the best ball in years?

Not every high pick pans out or pays immediate dividends. The last few years on balance have been well played by mgmt. they clearly know more than you or I or your "angry fans" do.

 

[Idgit]

How are we unbelievable? Because we can't figure out how to get a 2nd round draft pick from 2013 on the field? Sorry but you don't use 2nd round picks just to have a "role". You are supposed to be a cornerstone impact player. He is so far from that it's not even funny. That was such a botched pick. There was no need to draft a TE in that spot, especially seeing how we never use a 2 TE set and Witten was still a competent player.

That pick pisses me off, as it does a lot of people.

Yes, that's how you're unbelievable. There are a ton of threats offensively and only one ball to go around. You've seen for yourself that we didn't miss on the player. And it's not like handicapping Witten was a dumb idea.

It's been two years. Time to let the fact we took a TE in the second round go. It's especially tedious that you guys think this is the topic, of all things, to complain about in the midst of a four game winning streak. Honestly. Aren't you a little embarrassed by this stuff? I know I would be.

 

[xwalker]

People are lazy especially mentally. They have a pre-written narrative and they can just ape it.

DERP SECOND ROUND TE BAD DERP!!!!!!!

DERP MARTELLUS BENNETT = ESCOBAR DERP THEY SAME DERP!!!!!

People that were wrong on several aspects of this team are desperately clinging to be right on something.

Off-season claims by some people in this thread:
Cowboys go 3-13 or worse.
Hitchens can't play. Wasted 4th round pick.
Durant should be cut.
Carter can't play.
R. McClain not worth the trouble.
Mincey can't play.
Crawford overrated.
Romo is done.
Leary not very good.
Cowboys have the worst Safeties in the league.

 

[Idgit]

People that were wrong on several aspects of this team are desperately clinging to be right on something.
Off-season claims by some people in this thread:
Cowboys go 3-13 or worse.
Hitchens can't play. Wasted 4th round pick.
Durant should be cut.
Carter can't play.
R. McClain not worth the trouble.
Mincey can't play.
Crawford overrated.
Romo is done.
Leary not very good.
Cowboys have the worst Safeties in the league.

That's a pretty good, partial, list.

I think they were right about Marinelli using nicknames, though. Does that count?

 

[jazzcat22]

And if we didn't have depth at TE, with Escobar waiting in th wings...people would complain we have no depth or a TE in place behind Witten....

 

[erod]

I see this as good news.

Linehan rides his horses. Murray, Dez, and Witten.

Isn't that what we've been asking for?

 

[jazzcat22]

I see this as good news.

Linehan rides his horses. Murray, Dez, and Witten.

Isn't that what we've been asking for?

The Musers on the Ticket this morning mentioned this....they are using their 3 best weapons, so why change it.

 

[Risen Star]

Hannah has looked better than Escobar this year. That should tell you what you need to know about the quality of that 2nd round draft selection. Dallas missed on that one.

You don't know that....right up to the point where you need to stop living in the past.

Go Cowboys!

 

[Risen Star]

I see this as good news.

Linehan rides his horses. Murray, Dez, and Witten.

Isn't that what we've been asking for?

Yeah, its great news that our 2nd round pick has been worthless.

 

[erod]

Yeah, its great news that our 2nd round pick has been worthless.

Still plenty of time to work in Dunbar, Harris, Escobar, etc.

I don't think he's worthless at this point. Just not really needed. It's early.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Still plenty of time to work in Dunbar, Harris, Escobar, etc.

I don't think he's worthless at this point. Just not really needed. It's early.

if you really don't need him, why waste a 2nd round draft pick on him. That draft could have been used to upgrade another weakness on the team.

 

[Idgit]

Still plenty of time to work in Dunbar, Harris, Escobar, etc.

I don't think he's worthless at this point. Just not really needed. It's early.

This is exactly right. There's a long list of players on every team who are not worthless but who have yet to have an impact. There are 53 guys on NFL rosters for a reason. Sometimes your starters are better than your backups.

Escobar somehow represents more than just a talented young player for some. There's no reasonable way to explain the amount of frustration his mere presence on the roster generates. Especially when you see him play and he's actually pretty good. At this point, he's somehow evolved into a proxy for Jason Garrett. Lacking anything actual to complain about offensively, the game becomes to shift credit for the offense over to Linehan and to vent that pent up frustration that has no outlet during a four game winning streak at the proxy and hope that that seems like a reasonable course of action.

Unfortunately, I think we're about to see the end of some relatively easy sledding with the schedule, and there's going to be plenty to complain about. Our defense is about to get exposed the next two weeks and then we'll be back in a position where the sky is falling and it's been falling for 17 years now and we have every right to start thrashing and striking out at anything that moves. And we'll be looking back fondly at the days of 100 posts or whatever it ends up being of complaining about a backup TE and wishing we could get back there.

It's depressing to me just thinking about how much Linehan and Marinelli might suddenly forget about play calling if we have to live through one or two tough losses in a row.

 

[burmafrd]

Wasted pick in that you can get qualtiy TE's like quality RB's late in the draft.

 

[burmafrd]

This is exactly right. There's a long list of players on every team who are not worthless but who have yet to have an impact.

Escobar somehow represents more than just a talented young player for some. There's no reasonable way to explain the amount of frustration his mere presence on the roster generates. Especially when you see him play and he's actually a pretty good young player. At this point, he's somehow evolved into a proxy for Jason Garrett. Lacking anything actual to complain about offensively, the game becomes to shift credit for the offense over to Linehan and to vent that pent up frustration that has no outlet during a four game winning streak at the proxy and hope that that seems like a reasonable course of action.

Unfortunately, I think we're about to see the end of some relatively easy sledding with the schedule, and there's going to be plenty to complain about. Our defense is about to get exposed the next two weeks and then we'll be back in a position where the sky is falling and it's been falling for 17 years now and we have every right to start thrashing and striking out at anything that moves. And we'll be looking back fondly at the days of 100 posts or whatever it ends up being of complaining about a backup TE and wishing we could get back there. It's depressing to me just thinking about how much Linehan and Marinelli might suddenly forget about play calling if we have to live through one or two tough losses in a row.

up to this point he has been all but worthless. Unlike you I have higher standards for a 2nd rd pick

 

[Idgit]

up to this point he has been all but worthless. Unlike you I have higher standards for a 2nd rd pick

He can't control where he was picked, first of all. But I'd argue that a guy on your roster who isn't playing because there are better players ahead of him is not worthless. He's just a backup. But there usually comes a time when a backup is called upon and you're glad he's on your team.

You'd think Cowboys fans, of all fanbases the last few years, would understand and appreciate the value of quality depth. How many times does it have to bite us late in the year when starters start to go down and we have nothing on the cupboard to replace them? How many MLBs and S do we have to convert, or bring in off the street and play after one week of prep before we get the idea that it's actually valuable to have guys back there who can play?

Here's an idea, how 'bout we be happy we pulled in Frederick, Williams, Wilcox, Escobar, Randle, Jakar Hamilton, Cameron Lawrence, and Jeff Heath that year. That's pretty good value, per selection and in CFA, overall. And stop complaining about the high pick who's missing out on reps because he's playing behind a HoF starter and a backup who's another mid-round pick who's surpassed expectations.

You don't have high standards. You just have unrealistic expectations. There's a difference.

 

[erod]

up to this point he has been all but worthless. Unlike you I have higher standards for a 2nd rd pick

He's not a bust. He's just not a big part of the offense. Yet.

Last week, DeMarco Murray touched the ball 41 times out of 75 snaps, I believe. That leaves little for the rest. In time, this will balance out a bit.

And just because a guy doesn't catch a ball doesn't mean he doesn't impact a play. If Escobar could catch a couple touchdown passes like last year, he creates more space for Witten and Dez. It's a domino effect. Beasley does more right now than catch a couple balls. He's a distraction for the defense every time he's there. Escobar could be that too, and soon.

 

[Beast_from_East]

My uneducated unscientific opinion is he isn't an effective blocker, may never be an effective blocker, and therefore isn't a great fit for the power offense the Cowboys have morphed into.

Witten and Hanna are better blockers and therefore when 2 TEs are on the field it really never makes much sense to have Escobar out there.

Unfortunately for Escobar, I think he was drafted to play an offense, where the plan was to feature throwing it to the TEs a LOT like NE did with there for a while. The Cowboys no longer run that offense.

Excellent analysis

Escobar does not fit a power running scheme, he was drafted with the idea of running a two TE offense like NE had

We basically tossed a second round pick in the toilet because Escobar is not a good enough blocker to get any playing time