ESPN 2015 NFL QB Tiers

[KJJ]

Can somebody please tell me how Luck keeps getting on these Top-5 lists?

Carrying what would be a bad team without him to the playoffs 3 years in a row and reaching an AFC title game. Luck has very little to work with but has made the Colts a contender. He doesn't even have a good OL and despite putting the ball up over 600 times he got sacked 2 fewer times than Romo in 2014 who's playing behind arguably the best OL in the NFL.

 

[bayeslife]

Carrying what would be a bad team without him to the playoffs 3 years in a row and reaching an AFC title game. Luck has very little to work with but has made the Colts a contender. He doesn't even have a good OL and despite putting the ball up over 600 times he got sacked 2 fewer times than Romo in 2014 who's playing behind arguably the best OL in the NFL.

If that team is bad without Luck I don't even want to know the word to describe the Cowboys.

 

[dstovall5]

Luck is just a stat padder until he can win the big one. He'll never be elite until he can win the super bowl, which requires 53 men to win. And who cares if he made the playoffs, the result is still the same as the teams that didn't make it (no super bowl). Luck is interception prone and tries to do too much with too little, and often time digs his team into holes. That playoff game against KC is a perfect example.

What do people say about Romo after crushing defeats, despite playing great? Yeah Romo,we don't care you threw for 500 yards, 5 TDs, and put up 48 points. You threw the game ending interception and caused your team to lose, by 3 points, 48 - 51.

Of course I'm saying all this in tongue in cheek poking at the people who dogged Romo for the exact same reasons. Romo's team in the past years have been what Luck has now, one could even make the argument Luck's is better (and not because of him at QB).

 

[DandyDon52]

Where do they rank wheedon??
just some bozo's with too much time on their hands?

 

[KJJ]

If that team is bad without Luck I don't even want to know the word to describe the Cowboys.

The Cowboys have more talent than the Colts they would struggle big time without Romo with the backups they have but the Colts were a 2-14 team that was transformed into an 11-5 playoff team in one season with Luck as a rookie.

 

[ufcrules1]

Yep, Romo sucks.. sure wish he wasn't a Cowboy. smh

Did I mention he's 2nd all time in passer rating?

He doesn't suck he is just in the 2nd tier of QB's.

 

[dstovall5]

The Cowboys have more talent than the Colts they would struggle big time without Romo with the backups they have but the Colts were a 2-14 team that was transformed into an 11-5 playoff team in one season with Luck as a rookie.

That 2-14 team is not the same team, they have players especially on the offensive side of the ball. Many here previously said Romo has had enough to win (despite having zero running game/defense) because he's had offensive targets to get the ball to. Well so does Luck, T.Y Hilton, Andre Johnson are no slouches for WRs. Ohh and he has a guy named Frank Gore in the backfield, who I'll admit is older, he's still an above average RB in the NFL.

 

[DFWJC]

The Cowboys have more talent than the Colts they would struggle big time without Romo with the backups they have but the Colts were a 2-14 team that was transformed into an 11-5 playoff team in one season with Luck as a rookie.

We and everyone else on the planet also know that the Colts tanked to get to 2-14.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We and everyone else on the planet also know that the Colts tanked to get to 2-14.

They were built around Manning and without him they fell apart. You could see it coming. Especially on defense where they were built to play with a lead.

 

[dfense]

Ironically, Romo is behind Wilson, who posted a sub 50% completion and 4 pick game at home in the NFC championship. The run game saved his bacon that week. His QBR was 44, the lowest since he played Dallas and posted a 47 QBR. He ended the playoffs 6TDS 5INT. Romo didn't throw a pick in the playoffs.

 

[KJJ]

That 2-14 team is not the same team, they have players especially on the offensive side of the ball. Many here previously said Romo has had enough to win (despite having zero running game/defense) because he's had offensive targets to get the ball to. Well so does Luck, T.Y Hilton, Andre Johnson are no slouches for WRs. Ohh and he has a guy named Frank Gore in the backfield, who I'll admit is older, he's still an above average RB in the NFL.

Andre Johnson and Frank Gore have yet to play a down for Indy they weren't apart of any of the 11-5 teams Luck led the Colts to. LOL T.Y. Hilton is a good receiver but who's to say he's not a product of Andrew Luck? Prior to Lucks arrival the Colts went 2-14 with Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon and Dallas Clark due to Manning being released and Indy not having a QB. The Colts defense ranked 8th in 2011 which is higher than it's ranked the past 2 seasons under Luck. Garcon who's a very good receiver left after the 2011 season and so did Dallas Clark so neither played a down with Luck. He was stuck with an aging Reggie Wayne who had just over 900 yards in 2011 and a rookie T.Y Hilton. Reggie Wayne had over 1300 yards the following year with Luck as a rookie.

Donnie Avery an average WR who played only one season with Indy in 2012 was the Colts 2nd leading receiver that season with 60 catches for 781 receiving yards both were career highs during his 7 year career. Take Luck off that team and the Colts would struggle to win 4-5 games. The Cowboys took Indy apart last season 42-7 due to Luck having a bad game. If Luck has a real bad game Indy usually gets blown out we saw that in playoffs in the Colts 45-7 blowout loss to NE. No QB in the league carries a team like Luck carries the Colts. He reminds me of John Elway carrying some of those Bronco teams back in the 80's. When Elway had a real bad game Denver got crushed.

 

[KJJ]

They were built around Manning and without him they fell apart. You could see it coming. Especially on defense where they were built to play with a lead.

The Colts defense ranked 8th in 2011 during their 2-14 season. Their D held up pretty good despite having the 30th ranked offense. They only gave up over 30 points in 4 games which wasn't that bad under the circumstances and they gave up less than 20 points in their final 3 games that season. Their offense couldn't score much 27 points was the most Indy put up all season in a single game. They had 6 games where they scored 10 points or less. They were in a number of games that season but couldn't score enough.

 

[DallasEast]

The OP's ESPN article "quotes" 6 personnel directors, 5 defensive coordinators, 5 head coaches, 4 offensive coaches, 2 offensive coordinators, 2 general managers, 1 salary cap manager, 1 analytics director, and references "some" league insiders.

You mean to tell me no one's identity can be confirmed out of 26+ people either interviewed or approached by ESPN for this story? I feel my African-American heritage bubbling to the surface but I think I will shorten my comment on the matter to simply 'please'. I'll judge the opinions given in the article as credible once the commenters feel they can speak freely after being released from witness protection.

 

[dfense]

He took a previous 2-14 team to the playoffs as a rookie and has taken them to the playoffs every year since then. Keep watching, Luck is legit as they come and gets better and better every year.

Well, Luck is getting better and better. But that 2-14 team was with Painter as their season QB. That same team was a playoff team the year before so that's a little iffy stat. He feasted on Ten, Jax, and Houston twice each, theirs six wins.

 

[KJJ]

Well, Luck is getting better and better. But that 2-14 team was with Painter as their season QB. That same team was a playoff team the year before so that's a little iffy stat. He feasted on Ten, Jax, and Houston twice each, theirs six wins.

They were a playoff team with "Peyton Manning." It's not easy for a young developing QB who took over a team that lost Garcon and Dallas Clark to feast on anyone with an average OL at best and little running game which forced Indy to throw a #1 away on Richardson who didn't pan out.

 

[percyhoward]

Remember, many of these people were employed in the NFL when Romo was available and they passed on him. Probably in favor of guys who aren't in any of the "tiers," in most cases. It's especially telling that the guys who placed him in the top tier are the DC's -- the ones who wouldn't have been guilty of passing on him but who do actually have to prepare to face him.

 

[iceberg]

Can somebody please tell me how Luck keeps getting on these Top-5 lists?

luck.

 

[Kevinicus]

There are only two QB's I'd take ahead of Tony Romo at this point.

Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

None for me (unless you're talking health/youth). Brady probably wouldn't be in my top 5 right now.

 

[Staubacher]

The OP's ESPN article "quotes" 6 personnel directors, 5 defensive coordinators, 5 head coaches, 4 offensive coaches, 2 offensive coordinators, 2 general managers, 1 salary cap manager, 1 analytics director, and references "some" league insiders.

You mean to tell me no one's identity can be confirmed out of 26+ people either interviewed or approached by ESPN for this story? I feel my African-American heritage bubbling to the surface but I think I will shorten my comment on the matter to simply 'please'. I'll judge the opinions given in the article as credible once the commenters feel they can speak freely after being released from witness protection.

I'm whiter than Casper the Friendly Ghost and I agree with you bro. I hate unnamed sources.

 

[blindzebra]

What I find funny is Luck gets credit for his short comings based on a lack of talent around him, while Romo was to blame before he got help and now he is downgraded because he got help.