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CATCH17;2287665 said:
Actually he kinda is.

And just because he throws it into thick coverage once or twice a game doesn't mean his style in the pocket isn't similar.


And when he throws into "thick coverage" once or twice in a 3 point playoff game. What then?
 

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R8erFan4Ever;2287666 said:
And when he throws into "thick coverage" once or twice in a 3 point playoff game. What then?

What do you mean what then?

Romo hasn't been that bad in either of our playoff games.

If you think Romo is going to go his entire career without success in the post season than...well.... :laugh2:
 

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CATCH17;2287671 said:
What do you mean what then?

Romo hasn't been that bad in either of our playoff games.

If you think Romo is going to go his entire career without success in the post season than...well.... :laugh2:


I didn't say that, but if the guy throws into coverage in close playoff games, he isn't going to be very successful, just ask Favre.

Romo in playoffs? against giants he only completed 50 percent of his passes and he threw 1 td had 1 int with a whole 200 yards in passing. Year b4 that he had less then 200 yards passing and he botched the play that matters. So he hasn't been bad, he has just been mediocre. That wasn't my argument anyway, he just needs to stop throwing INT's like he did against green bay where if collins didn't pick it, there was another packer right behind him ready to intercept it. If Romo doesn't give the game away with a few mistakes, I don't think anyone is beating you guys in the playoffs.
 

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R8erFan4Ever;2287684 said:
I didn't say that, but if the guy throws into coverage in close playoff games, he isn't going to be very successful, just ask Favre.

Romo in playoffs? against giants he only completed 50 percent of his passes and he threw 1 td had 1 int with a whole 200 yards in passing. Year b4 that he had less then 200 yards passing and he botched the play that matters. So he hasn't been bad, he has just been mediocre. That wasn't my argument anyway, he just needs to stop throwing INT's like he did against green bay where if collins didn't pick it, there was another packer right behind him ready to intercept it. If Romo doesn't give the game away with a few mistakes, I don't think anyone is beating you guys in the playoffs.

Romo didn't give the Giants game away. His pick came on a 4th and long with the game on the line. It was either throw it and hope for a miracle or sit on it.

The Seattle game had a lot to do with our absolutely rediculous game plan but he did put us in position at the end of the game to win by driving us down the field.

He botched a snap as a holder... SO?

I do agree he needs to stop throwing into heavy traffic. He does need to tighten up at times.

But he hasn't gone tottally psycho and just stunk it up in the playoffs.

He has thrown boneheaded picks in the regular season.. But he has also found ways to win games too.

Plus we're talking about a guy who has 29 games experience. If you think you've seen the best of Tony Romo than...well.... :laugh2:
 

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I didn't say they lost the game because of him, I said he was mediocre in both playoff games, and he was.
 

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R8erFan4Ever;2287694 said:
I didn't say they lost the game because of him, I said he was mediocre in both playoff games, and he was.

Ok so do you expect that to continue through his career?

I mean the Giants defense did make some of the best QB's this league has ever seen look pretty darn mediocre last post season. But thats just an excuse.

Vs Seattle I really have no problem with how he played as a Quarterback especially considering the game plan.

When the game was on the line he put us in a position to win as a Quarterback by driving us all the way down the field.

As a holder, well, you got me. He choked.
 

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I can't predict the future, we'll see. Less like Favre he becomes, more super bowls he wins.
 

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Im seriously getting tired of all this Romo hatred. Like what has this guy done besides win. I don't remember any player being scrutinize as much as Romo in recent memory.
 

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Ender;2287949 said:
Im seriously getting tired of all this Romo hatred. Like what has this guy done besides win. I don't remember any player being scrutinize as much as Romo in recent memory.

gone 0-2 in the playoffs. Idk what cowboys fans are complaining about, peyton went through the same thing.
 

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Yep, self destructing in big moments. Both passes to Miles Austin were big moments last week and he drilled them both. Particularly the second pass to Austin in which Dallas was up 20-9 and on 3rd and 20 Romo scanned the field, hurdled a defender and hit Austin perfectly on a deep strike.

Yep, self destructing in big moments.







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Unlike most nfl qbs romo doesn't let the bad stuff get to him. He is always able to play well when it counts the most(for the most part ofcourse).
 

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Yakuza Rich;2288088 said:
Yep, self destructing in big moments. Both passes to Miles Austin were big moments last week and he drilled them both. Particularly the second pass to Austin in which Dallas was up 20-9 and on 3rd and 20 Romo scanned the field, hurdled a defender and hit Austin perfectly on a deep strike.

Yep, self destructing in big moments.


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He's made poor decisions in big moments. Nobody disputes that he also frequently makes great plays under the same circumstances. Or that he makes more good decisions than bad. The concern is that a correctable bad decision could cost an important game, or even a playoff game.

This team hasn't been dominant in the red zone the last two seasons, especially given how strong we are on offense. There's a trend there. What's the point of ignoring it just because we all love Romo?
 

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I think Garret has to learn how to design passing plays in the red zone better. I think some of Romo's mistakes have come because many of Garrett's plays are too slow to develop and you generally have less time to get a pass off when you are in the red zone.

The teams that pass well in the red-zone do it with very quick developing plays off play-action to get the LBs to bite enough to open up space in the zone coverage. If you wait too long, zone coverage takes away most of your options.
 

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Idgit;2288270 said:
He's made poor decisions in big moments. Nobody disputes that he also frequently makes great plays under the same circumstances. Or that he makes more good decisions than bad. The concern is that a correctable bad decision could cost an important game, or even a playoff game.

This team hasn't been dominant in the red zone the last two seasons, especially given how strong we are on offense. There's a trend there. What's the point of ignoring it just because we all love Romo?

Every QB makes mistakes in big moments from time to time. Brady threw a pick on a game winning drive against the Colts in the 2006 AFC Championship game, then threw 3 picks against the Chargers in the 2007 AFC Championship game and then played less than stellar in the Giants Super Bowl. Does that mean he self destructs in big moments?

I don't think so.

People seem to just want to completely ignore the times Romo comes up big in big moments and fall back on the "he's never won a playoff game." Yet, QB's like Eli have a much bigger history of self destructing in big moments than Romo, but they are "clutch players." And if you look at Romo's play on 3rd downs in his career, which is quite spectacular, you don't get that way without being for the most part...a clutch player.






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Just because someone states that Romo makes the occasional "No Danny, No" play doesn't mean they hate him or they're blaming him for losses. It is a fact that QBs in this league get more than their fair share of blame and praise. Just a fact of life. The QB of the Dallas Cowboys is often a celebrity anyway.

There are times Romo make miraculous plays. There are times no one who knows an ounce of football doesn't understand what the hell was he thinking. Throwing the ball into tight spots is not the same as throwing into triple coverage with no hope of your guy making a play. Tony does it some times.

Dropping the ball on a try for a FG was not his fault. One of the very few times I think we got taken. Picking a fumbled ball up in the end zone is also not a bad play. Trying to throw the ball out and make a play before even looking to see who was on him was a terrible play. A safety is better than giving up a TD.

When Tony learns to give it up and when he can be Superman and can't then he'll have taken a step towards greatness. He also needs to learn to trust the team more. He has a team around him now. He doesn't have to do it all.

The redzone stuff will get better. He'll protect the ball better and Jason Garrett will start trusting the running game more. I'm hoping Felix Jones around the endzone will be a thing of beauty.
 

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Yakuza Rich;2288294 said:
Every QB makes mistakes in big moments from time to time. Brady threw a pick on a game winning drive against the Colts in the 2006 AFC Championship game, then threw 3 picks against the Chargers in the 2007 AFC Championship game and then played less than stellar in the Giants Super Bowl. Does that mean he self destructs in big moments?

I don't think so.

People seem to just want to completely ignore the times Romo comes up big in big moments and fall back on the "he's never won a playoff game." Yet, QB's like Eli have a much bigger history of self destructing in big moments than Romo, but they are "clutch players." And if you look at Romo's play on 3rd downs in his career, which is quite spectacular, you don't get that way without being for the most part...a clutch player.






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His abilities on 3rd down are unbelievable. When we get the ball it is unusual for us not to march down the field. That's a tribute to the team esp the OL. But Romo is the biggest reason for it.
 

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Eskimo;2288292 said:
I think Garret has to learn how to design passing plays in the red zone better. I think some of Romo's mistakes have come because many of Garrett's plays are too slow to develop and you generally have less time to get a pass off when you are in the red zone.

The teams that pass well in the red-zone do it with very quick developing plays off play-action to get the LBs to bite enough to open up space in the zone coverage. If you wait too long, zone coverage takes away most of your options.

Well, the 2 INT's weren't exactly all Romo's fault. In the Cleveland game Owens was basically the only receiver on the play and Felix made a bad block. So what happens is the only play for Romo is to either throw it away over everybody's head or pull it down and scramble. The bad block by Felix caused Romo to be a little late and behind Owens and was thus picked off.

In the Packers game both Owens and Witten ran what looked like mirror post routes with Owens being a little deeper than Witten. Unfortunately Witten wound up being too close to Owens on the pass pattern, thus you get more defenders to the ball.

Romo should not have thrown either pass, but better execution by Felix and Witten would have probably prevented both picks.







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Oh thats easy. Brett was feast or famine. He was either REALLY good or REALLY bad. He throws INTs in bunches. Hardly ever did he only throw one. Once you're in the playoffs, one bad game spells doom. For such a great QB who had some really good teams, he will walk away with only one super bowl.


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Best quote I've read about Bret in ages. You sir deserve an applaud :clap2:
 

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Yakuza Rich;2288294 said:
Every QB makes mistakes in big moments from time to time. Brady threw a pick on a game winning drive against the Colts in the 2006 AFC Championship game, then threw 3 picks against the Chargers in the 2007 AFC Championship game and then played less than stellar in the Giants Super Bowl. Does that mean he self destructs in big moments?
Brady also won 3 rings before all those before mentioned 'mistakes'. He's proven himself already.

What has Romo done from December on?

Call it fair or not but it happens with EVERY QB. It comes with the territory. It happened with Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. the list goes on and on.

I hope he proves me wrong but until then, Romo has been mediocre at best, down the stretch the last 2 seasons. Put your homerism aside and look at his play obejectively.

I'm not going to 'annoint' him because he made a couple big plays in a September game. Let's see him do this down the stretch before we put him alongside Staubach & Aikman like some seem to already have.

Again, I hope he proves me wrong.
 
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