ESPN Dallas: No franchise tag on Miles Austin, for now

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Its amazing how some people are just so bias. Romo2Austin, your telling me Austin is really a Hall of Fame candidate after only starting 11 games? We have a good WR, but HOF? Lets be real now.
 

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Why does everyone act like they wouldn't trade Miles away because he has had one season around 1,300, though impressively his nearly first full year. When we have another guy on our team who has put up 1,300 yards his whole career once, too.

Who is to say Miles will keep this up? I mean, yeah he has ability, but can we atleast wait one more year first?

Not saying I'd trade him away for picks, just bothered because people act like he has done this over the course of 5 years.

Remember the mistake we made with Marion?
 

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fannypack;3276760 said:
Why does everyone act like they wouldn't trade Miles away because he has had one season around 1,300, though impressively his nearly first full year. When we have another guy on our team who has put up 1,300 yards his whole career once, too.

Who is to say Miles will keep this up? I mean, yeah he has ability, but can we atleast wait one more year first?

Not saying I'd trade him away for picks, just bothered because people act like he has done this over the course of 5 years.

Remember the mistake we made with Marion?

Yes, but Marion put up his numbers in a niche role, started all of one game the last two years, and in that one start he appeared burned out after the first half. Many questioned his ability to play much longer with the level of punishment he was dishing out and receiving.

Roy did have a big season 3 years ago but this is a lazy guy who never got much better after entering the league. The league caught up to him and he didn't learn to adjust. No one is scared of his speed anymore and they sit on the couple of routes he runs well. They also know he won't go over the middle anymore due to aligator arms//dropped passes making him even easier to defend.

Miles, OTOH, is a nobody WR from NJ who had physical skills but spent four years learning his craft, getting better every year in the process. Despite regular double-teaming down the stretch he was still able to regularly make important catches just like a #1 WR is supposed to.

You also misunderstand the issue. Why give up Miles for a 1st and 3rd when this is a weak WR class and we are a team that would have a huge need at WR w/o Miles. We are built to win right now so why give up one of our best offensive players when we have been having trouble scoring points.

I might listen more for two first rounders but at our stage of development I'd rather have Miles.
 

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Eskimo;3276772 said:
Yes, but Marion put up his numbers in a niche role, started all of one game the last two years, and in that one start he appeared burned out after the first half. Many questioned his ability to play much longer with the level of punishment he was dishing out and receiving.

Roy did have a big season 3 years ago but this is a lazy guy who never got much better after entering the league. The league caught up to him and he didn't learn to adjust. No one is scared of his speed anymore and they sit on the couple of routes he runs well. They also know he won't go over the middle anymore due to aligator arms//dropped passes making him even easier to defend.

Miles, OTOH, is a nobody WR from NJ who had physical skills but spent four years learning his craft, getting better every year in the process. Despite regular double-teaming down the stretch he was still able to regularly make important catches just like a #1 WR is supposed to.

You also misunderstand the issue. Why give up Miles for a 1st and 3rd when this is a weak WR class and we are a team that would have a huge need at WR w/o Miles. We are built to win right now so why give up one of our best offensive players when we have been having trouble scoring points.

I might listen more for two first rounders but at our stage of development I'd rather have Miles.

I said I wouldn't trade him away. But my basis for not wanting to trade him away isn't based on ONE year of putting up #1 #'s. It's his upside and his attitude, mainly.
 

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Randy White;3276396 said:
M'Kevon;3276197 said:
Which made your statement about him being behind Bruce all year, wrong.



Wrong, AGAIN.

He started WITH Bruce until Crabtree signed. He was moved to the slot, where he put up BETTER stats that Bruce did. Bruce got hurt, he was inserted back to the starting line up and ended up the starter for the remainder of the year. He became the 3rd option, once Crabtree signed, behind Crab and Davis. Nobody said he did a great job but he did a good enough job to remain a starter and for the 49ers NOT to have a WR as top priority.



Mike Solari is no " O-line passing " guru. He made his career in KC, where the offense was primarely a running offense:

Following his initial stint with the 49ers, Solari spent nine seasons as offensive line coach for Kansas City (1997-2005), three of which came under current 49ers offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye (1998-2000), who held the same position for the Chiefs at the time. With Solari directing the Kansas City offensive line, the team averaged 126.8 rushing yards per game, ranking fourth in the NFL during that time span.

The Daly City, CA, native was promoted by the Chiefs to offensive coordinator in 2006. During his 11-year tenure in Kansas City, the team finished in the top 10 in rushing on seven occasions, in the top five four times, and ranked 6th in the NFL in total offense (359.2 yards per game) over that span. Solari was one of just six assistant coaches in team history to record more than a decade of service with the franchise.

Solari’s line produced a trio of Pro Bowl offensive linemen in 2004 and 2005, in guards Will Shields and Brian Waters, as well as tackle Willie Roaf. Kansas City became the first club to accomplish that feat since Dallas from 1993-96. Thanks in part to his strong line, the Chiefs offense led the league in total offense in 2004 (franchise-record 418.4 ypg) and 2005 (387.0 ypg).


Singlatery also stated that they WILL remain a running offense first because he wants a " physical football team that can smash you in the mouth. " He's made NO promises to Alex Smith about becoming the long term starter, which is what's led to speculations about them " possibly " drafting a QB with one of the 1st round pick they have.



Please remember that SF other areas where their need is more pressing than WR. O-line, pass rushing, and CB, are their top needs. They will NOT spend one of those 1st rounders, plus the contract that it would take, on a WR like Miles.



That's completely and utterly REDICULOUS..

To begin with, IF the 49ers sign Miles, they'd have to give up their own #1 pick, which is the 13th pick of the draft. That pick, last year, signed for:

Five-year, $20 million deal, including $12.1 million guaranteed.

The 3rd round pick in the same order was ( Kevin Barnes ) and he signed for:

four-year, $2.533 million contract, $800K bonus.

Miles Austin signing bonus/guranteed money ALONE could be 20 million dollars.




" immitate AZ " ??? ppplluuuassseee.. AZ is a passing offense who barely ran the ball. If they wanted to " immitate AZ " they would have rehired Martz.

The rest of your post is a merry-go-round, repeating the same thing, over and over again.

The bottom line is that the 49ers aren't going to change much of their offense for next year. On passing downs they'll go to the spread, on running downs they'll use conventional. Singlatery set out a plan for how he wants his team to look like, and that doesn't include a passing heavy offense, which is what it would take for them to make such a huge investment on a WR like Austin.

You're quotes of Singleton are from two years ago, not the same as when he was interviewed on KNBR right after this past season.

I don't know the OL coach from any other coach, but the SF GM and other writers have stated he is was brought in to improve the pass blocking and install a better blocking scheme for the shotgun. SF rarely ran out of the shotgun, and they wish to hide tendencies from the formation. Amazing how you have to make him out to be a "guru" - he is just bringing in techniques the current coach does not know.

As you note, Morgan played because Crabtree wasn't playing. On the depth chart, Morgan was behind Bruce. But, you know, if the #1 receiver isn't playing, then the #2 and #3 play. Stop being daft.

Martz left because he did not wish to work under Singleton - SF wants to diversify the O, while Martz wants to have a pass first O.

Look, basically you believe that there is zero possibility that SF would make a bid for MA based upon past information. I believe there is a chance, depending on how they view the draft and FA pool. You obviously haven't listened to any of the interviews since the 2009 season ended.

Who knows - maybe it's all a smokescreen, and you're right. But SF knows there is a window for the division for the next few years. SF also needs to make a splash for a new stadium they are hoping to build, either alone or with the Raiders.

SF is dropping hints that the style and play of the last two years isn't sufficient to win championships. They know they need improved QB play and a better offensive gameplan. They know the OL is not good enough to provide consistent protection, and that their offensive tendencies are run first and pass if necessary.

They want to change. So keep believing last year's press.

Maybe you're right. But I wouldn't put MA out there to test your certainty.
 

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Hoofbite;3275499 said:
I wouldn't even mess around with this. Get him locked up or at the very least franchised.

There would be a team willing to part with a 1st and 3rd for him.

Remarkably, I agree with Hoofbite on this. Remember he didn't even play much early in the season.

1. He is far younger than the big-time diva receivers. Only 25.
2. He is a great community and locker room presence
3. He not only put up prolific numbers, 81 recept/1300 yards, but ...
4. He was just coming into his own! His first four games he hardly even played. He easily could have gone for 90+ catches and 1500 yards.
 

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visionary;3275538 said:
franchise him and let him show what he can do this year.
then, if he does great, sign him long term mid/late in the year

What does he have to prove?
 

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ninja;3276438 said:
I'd take the Raiders' 1st and 3rd for Austin in a heartbeat.

Hello, Dez Bryant.

Don't think it would happen, though.
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T-RO;3276846 said:
What does he have to prove?

The only thing left to prove is that he can do it again. Given he is young and getting better, playing with the same offensive peronnel and in the same offensive system, it is a pretty good bet he puts up fairly similar numbers from a year before even if they are not quite as outstanding on a per game basis.
 
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