ESPN - Ex-Pats employee Walsh sends NFL video of Pats' taping

cowboyjoe

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you got that right Adam, now Goodell cant get out of it, because spector is breathing down his throat, and walshs attorneys now have evidence of the tape and have seen it;

goodell cant destroy the tapes now and cover it up like he did before; that would be stupid on his part because now it can revert to a criminal action;

now goodell has to reveal the tapes and he cant edit them either, the patriots know they were cheating, i refer way back to when jimmy johnson was coaching with the miami dolphins and he said something like this after the loss to the patriots they stole our signals.

the pats have been cheating for years, years, now they are going to get busted;

goodell like you just showed adam, cant let the patriots get away with the offenisive signal stealing, and as you stated and i think the patriots said, there were no more tapes, but the 3 previously and the aff championship game, but now there are at least 2 more tapes revealed since 2000.

thats lying too, plus lying when belicheck says, i only stole defensive signals;

now you watch when belicheck has meeting with goodell and goodell asks him about why didnt you say you were stealing offensive signals too, and belicheck says, well, i didnt interpret what you were saying, just like when he said he didnt interpret the rules on taping, which is fulll of you know what,

he belicheck cant get out of that and neither can goodell;

and i am sure and so are you real true nfl fans, that there were other nfl tapes, which shows there were and the pats got rid of them, the notes says there were mentioning of 3 tapes before 2006 and the aff championship game against pittsburgh,

so that makes 4 tapes mentioning, but walsh turns in 6 tapes, thats 2 more than on the notes, again, thats lying;

now we will see if Goodell will keep to his word, and do what he has done to guys like pacman, that have lied to him and other players he suspended them and more

one guy pointed out that he fined belicheck heavy, well he didnt to his base salary;

wade wilson was fined 33% of his base salary for a year and suspended 5 games, belicheck made wauy over a million, 3 million i think or more, now is that 33% of his check, and i remind you of what Goodell told wade wilson, coaches are to be held in a higher standard, and are punishable more if violate nfl policies etc, something along those lines,

but goodell sure didnt fine belicheck 33% of his pay check like he did wade wilson, nor did he suspend belicheck, THATS WHAT REAL NFL FANS ARE SORE ABOUT AND UPSET, GOODELL DIDNT DO WHAT HE HAS DONE TO PLAYERS LIKE TANK JOHNSON, WADE WILSON, PACMAN,

now are those players different in their cases yet, but need i remind you out of goodells own mouth, coaches are to be held and accountable to a higher degree than players,

there is evidence now that belicheck lied to goodell and the nfl, as well as the pats, and kraft, you cant tell me that a owner doesnt know whats going on in his own organization;

thats how belicheck also won games, he was losing iin early 2000 so facing losing his job like he did in cleveland, he went to cheating, and the pats organization was cheating before he got there, i refer to the miami jimmy johnson thing, they stole our signals;

so now goodells butt is on the line, we will see if he is all talk, or not, we will see if he is buddies with kraft like some reports says he is;

goodell cant get out of it now, neither can belicheck or the pats,

spector is breathing down goodells throat, and he knows it;
 

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viman96;2074794 said:
ESPN.com news services

Updated: May 7, 2008, 10:32 PM ET


Walsh's tapes do not include the video of the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl, as reported by the Boston Herald.

"Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through," said Walsh's lawyer Michael Levy, according to the Times. "Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article."

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Maybe Mr. Walsh was the individual taping the walk-thru................
 

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"Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through," said Walsh's lawyer Michael Levy, according to the Times. "Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article."

As the last poster said, having a tape of the walk-through is not the same thing as taping a walk-through or knowing they taped a walk-through....
 

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Offensive Signals, defensive signals, the Key word is SIGNALS.

I doubt they get any kind of punishment for this that effects their club in any way.
 

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I think if in the conversation with Goodell and Belicheck the cheating you know what, if the conversation detailed something like, what did you tape and film, defense only or just defense, and belicheating cheater said just defense, then he lied to goodell,

we all see what and how goodell responds to people that lie to him;

if in that same conversation, the talks of how many tapes did you film and belicheater said, just the 6 i gave 2006 and beyond, but i have notes on some 4 2002 and no more,

then, again he lied, because walsh turned in 6 tapes, and the reports on the notes were just 4 tapes, again a lie;

now that information has been leaked out, and walshs attorneys have that info too and they are witnesses to the tapes, especially the one where he filmed offense formations, again a lie, because where adam put up a comment about goodell:
Here's what Goodell said on April 2 about Walsh --

"If it's just taping of defensive signals, we know that," Goodell said April 2 at the NFL's annual meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. "The Patriots admitted to that. He seems to imply that he has something different and certainly something I would be concerned with if it's true. So, I'd like to see the evidence."


And here's what Goodell said on April 24 --

"Taping a walk-through is much different than what I punished them for. That is a different violation and I would take that very seriously. So, if they have that, then that is something that would cause me to reevaluate the discipline. However, they were not disciplined for that, but only for taping defensive signals, and that was the only violation we have any evidence of."

Unless Goodell mispoke or spoke carelessly both times, he didn't know the Patriots were taping offensive signals, too.


so again, thats put an egg on goodells face saying only defensive signals filmed, and now with that information eventually going to senator spector,

goodell cant destroy the tapes or edit them, he cant get out of it, because walshs attorneys are eye witnesses to the tapes,

so now goodell has to do something, or that egg is on his face and the NFLs

so now, we will see if goodell is in with kraft the pats owner or if goodell is and will do what he should have done in first place, fine belicheater 33% like he fined wade wilson and said coaches are held more accountable, and belicheater being a head coach is held more accountable, now for lying if those converastions between goodell and belicheater was asked did you do more than just film defensive formations, and did you destroy more tapes than you turned in, with belicheck saying, no i didnt have any tapes beyond 2006, just notes, again a lie,

so now goodell has to do something especially with spector seeing the tapes and giving the public the news etc over goodells head for not properly acting,
 

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"We don't know [about attempts to steal offensive signals] yet because we haven't looked at the tapes," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Thursday before the league had completed its review of the new evidence. "All we have is the list supplied last night [by Walsh's attorney]. One of them is labeled 'OFF signals.' None of others are listed that way. Let us look at the tapes and we'll have more to say about that.

Two weeks later...

Unfortunately, as the commissioner was carrying the new tapes from his car to his VCR for review, they happened to fall in the woodchipper Mr. Goodell had been planning to use for some yardwork this weekend. Because there is no evidence to review, we now consider this case closed."
 

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You guys can make excuses all you want but the simple fact is Belicheat said they only taped defensive and and now Walsh has provided proof of offensive signals.
 

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DBoys;2074814 said:
Well they got fined 750k and lost a 1st Rd pick for the Jets.

Now they have Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns, San Diego Chargers and Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs. Cheating in the playoffs is very very very bad.

Belicheat should be banned from the NFL and the Patriots severely punished. If not banned then a multi year suspension and the Pats lose all their draft picks next year.

If the Patriots walk on this Goodell is a piece of ****.
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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DBoys;2074814 said:
Well they got fined 750k and lost a 1st Rd pick for the Jets.

Now they have Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns, San Diego Chargers and Pittsburgh Steelers in the playoffs. Cheating in the playoffs is very very very bad.

Belicheat should be banned from the NFL and the Patriots severely punished. If not banned then a multi year suspension and the Pats lose all their draft picks next year.

If the Patriots walk on this Goodell is a piece of ****.

DBoys;2074818 said:
Walsh brought forth evidence that Belicheat lied to Goodell. Belicheat promised Goodell there were no more tapes and now there are 5 more instances including a playoff game.

The guy needs to be banned from football.

Agreed. Make Pats lose all draft pics, and ban Belicheat. Should have happend when Spygate first broke, because when Spygate did first break didn't an article state that he was warned the season before about taping signals? (I'm not talking about the letter that went to all the teams before this past season started.)
 

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DBoys;2077220 said:
You guys can make excuses all you want but the simple fact is Belicheat said they only taped defensive and and now Walsh has provided proof of offensive signals.


I have mentioned that a couple of times but everyone (including the Commish) seem to be ignoring it.
 

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Sounds like there might be more penalties but as I've always said, you can't count on the complete story from the press. In fact you can ALMOST always count on NOT getting the complete story. So until it all comes out in the wasy we can only speculate. I really hope this is all of it because at this point the league can only get a black eye. I think the NFL escaped from it earlier for the most part.

What I can say is despite the Pats saying, allegedly, that they only taped defensive signals the key point for the overall reaction to this all is not too big a black eye. I'm saying that from the standpoint that signals are signals and I'm not sure finding offensive signals is going to be that damaging. That is a separate issue from the technicalities that have cropped up. So before flaming me that I don't care to see the Pats punished more that is not my point. It is the overall damage to the NFL that worries me and I think that may be less than some think.
 

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the only thing that matters is if Goodell will do anything about the offensive signals if he didn't already know about them. he already knew about the teams they taped including pitt in the playoffs. all in all i doubt he hands down anymore punishments. I wonder what the punishment would be for a team that has a history that started before this decade(pats history began in 2001 basically) or a big market team like Dallas,Pittsburgh,Washington,NY among others.
 

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Goodall will Re-instate Pac Man to take the heat and focus off of the Spy-gate fiasco............

Learned those type of tricks from the best.....:eek:
 

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...Vegas odds makers I wonder how they feel about all of this.

A portion of the NFL's appeal is based on gaming and you would think that the league would be concerned about the integrity of games for all parties, fan's and business's, concern.
 

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davidyee;2078706 said:
...Vegas odds makers I wonder how they feel about all of this.

A portion of the NFL's appeal is based on gaming and you would think that the league would be concerned about the integrity of games for all parties, fan's and business's, concern.

I think they realize that taping of signals had little real effect on the outcome of the game.
 

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Temo;2078855 said:
I think they realize that taping of signals had little real effect on the outcome of the game.

...that there was no competitive advantage here?

I don't coach in the NFL, but within the league I do coach in knowing the defensive alignment would be significant. More than enough to alter the outcome of the game.

I can't believe that the Patriots did this just for kicks. There had to be some value to them in their quest for wins. If there is value enough to repeat it, then there would likely be success in diagnosing the opponent's defensive calls and calling audibles to exploit this.

The NFL is a paranoid league, but the work of taping signals cant be just to waste time.
 

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CrazyCowboy;2078702 said:
You just never know who is watching/taping

That's right "CC"...............if that's who you really are. ;)
 

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lspain1;2075180 said:
Wow, I simply disagree with everything you have written here. You have no idea what Goodell was doing and "when he knew it." My whole premise here is that Goodell has ZERO vested interest in a cover up. I'm not focused on the details of the investigation but the consequences of each alternative to the NFL. The NFL can easily withstand punishment of Bellichick and the Patriots. It can NOT withstand the scandal of a cover up and Specter's involvement confirms my assessment. You are assuming that Goodell (and many others) are both criminal and stupid.

I simply don't buy that and I'll wager you can't come up with a single example showing otherwise. The NFL is simply the best run sports league on the planet...and it shows.

This thread is NOT about conspiracy theories. I thought it was about whether or not Walsh's tapes revealed any new details about the Patriots. I believe they do not, and that again lends credence to my assessment of the situation (and refutes yours).

The 500 lb gorilla in the room is professional gambling, that is why all this is being swept under the rug. There are millions and millons of dollars that are bet on NFL games and if you think the NFL is going to allow ANYTHING to call into question if a game is legit, then you are mistaken.

Also, it does not take 3 months for a libility protection agreement to be hammered out. It could have been done in a week at most, and the NFL not confiscating all tapes during the negotiation is bordeline incompetence.

Strange how that tape of the Rams SB walkthrough magically dissappeared, I guess the Globe just imagined the whole thing:rolleyes:
 
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