ESPN Greatest Coaches in NFL History

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MC KAos;5087330 said:
i think landry should be #2 behind lambordi. but then again, im a homer

I think Landry should be #1.

Honestly, think about how he revolutionized the game on offense, defense, special teams and scouting.

While I respect the abilities and accomplishments of the other coaches, nobody has come close to being able to change the game as much as Landry did.

It's like they say...when Landry and Lombardi both left the Giants they exchanged playbooks. Lombardi used Landry's playbook. Landry didn't use Lombardi's playbook.





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I think Paul Brown did more for the game but I would certainly agree that Coach Landry is right there in that top 2 or 3 discussion. JMO of course.
 

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Why is Landry at least top 3....

Offensive innovator - motion offense, brought back shotgun
Defensive innovator - flex defense
Game analysis innovator - the telestrator to go back and forth while reviewing plays
He coached both sides of the ball at the same time and his teams won for 20 consecutive years.
 

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Top 20 Coaches in NFL History (IMHO):

1. Paul Brown - His teams won seven championships. Was one of the greatest innovators that the game has seen, including popularizing the teaching aspect of the game and setting the early parameters for scouting. Developed great coaches as well, such as Shula, Ewbank and Walsh.

2. Vince Lombardi - The first known "motivator coach". Made up for lack of innovation with the ability to reach his players. Never had a losing season in his career, and won five championships.

3. Don Shula - The all-time leader in wins, and a success in multiple stops. Won with both conservative attacks as well as a wide open passing offense. Won two championships. Would rank higher on the list but for key losses in big games (1964 NFL Championship, Super Bowl III) and the fact that he did not win big without Bill Arnsparger.

4. Tom Landry - Rates alongside Brown as one of the great innovators in NFL history. Invented the multiple offense and popularized the 4-3 defense. Revolutionized the game with his method of using keys to predict tendencies. Was his own offensive and defensive coordinator. Won two championships, but had a shot at winning many more. His many losses in championship games keep him from being higher on the list.

5. Chuck Noll - A coach who gave his assistants and players much more freedom than the others above him on this list. Championship teams built on defense, which reflects his background. Won four championships, and lost three conference title games. Would rate higher if he had success in a decade other than the 1970's.

6. Bill Walsh - Developed the precision-matchup offense, better known as the West Coast Offense. An underrated motivator, he learned at the feet of two greats in Brown and Sid Gillman. Won three championships, but had a hand in building the 1989 49er title team. Did not have the longevity of some of the coaches above him, mostly due to getting a late start as a head coach (he was 48 when he became a head coach for the 49ers).

7. Bill Belichick - A defensive mastermind, he overcame a poor stint in Cleveland to redefine himself in New England. Has won three championships, and had a strong hand in two championships as an assistant. Sound philosophy who has contributed more to offensive scheming in New England than widely known. Spygate and his Cleveland tenure keep him further down on the list than many would rank him.

8. George Halas - The founder. The history of the game would begin with his name. Largely responsible for building and keeping the game alive during some tenuous times. Developed methods for practice and film study that ushered in offensive growth in the game. A gritty, no nonsense coach whose teams won six championships. Would rank higher if not for a huge gap with little success between 1946 and 1963.

9. Joe Gibbs - Developed a revolutionary one back offense with a flex TE that is still used today. Learned at the feet of Don Coryell. Won three championships with three different quarterbacks. Would rank higher, but two of the championships took place during strike shortened seasons, and his comeback stint was mediocre.

10. Hank Stram - Another innovator as a head coach, developing the odd man front on defense. Like Landry, coached his own offense and defense. Won three AFL championships and one Super Bowl.

11. Bill Parcells - Perhaps only surpassed by Lombardi as a motivator, Parcells won two championships, and led three other teams to the playoffs. Would rank higher but for, similar to Shula, a lack of championship success without Bill Belichick.

12. Weeb Ewbank - Ewbank won three championships as a head coach, and developed two Hall of Fame QBs in Unitas and Namath. Ewbank won arguably the two most important games in NFL History (1958 NFL Championship and Super Bowl III). A master strategist on offense.

13. Jimmy Johnson - Johnson did what seemed to be the impossible, taking the Cowboys back from 1-15 to a Super Bowl title within four years. Built one of the most talented, deepest teams in NFL History. Won two championships, and built the team that won a title in 1995. Would rank higher if not for a lackluster stint with the Dolphins, and a 62-7 career finale.

14. Sid Gillman - The father of the modern passing game, having passed his theory along to many coaches, such as Walsh, Al Davis and Don Coryell. His numbering scheme for passing routes is still used today. Won one championship.

15. Curly Lambeau - The founder of the Green Bay Packers, similar to Halas, the history of the game would begin with him. Won six championships as a coach, and was the all-time winningest coach for many years. The end of his Packer tenure, as well as flameouts with the Chicago Cardinals and Washington Commanders prevent him from being higher on this list.

16. Steve Owen - The first great coach of the New York Giants, Owen was a defensive genius, developing the umbrella defense, the forerunner to the zone defense. Helped develop Tom Landry's coaching skills. Won two championships with the Giants.

17. Dan Reeves - A stalwart as an assistant coach, Reeves had a hand in two championship teams, and led three teams to the playoffs. He also led two different teams to the Super Bowl, but did not win in five tries. Never had the best team on the field in any of those games, but he always got the maximum amount from his talent.

18. John Madden - His television work obscures his coaching success, but make no mistake about it, he was a terrific coach. Won 100 games earlier in his coaching career than any coach who preceded him. Won one championship, and would rank higher if not for an inability to beat the Steelers in big games (the one time that he did, he won the Super Bowl).

19. George Allen - A master in strategy, deception and motivation, Allen was an outstanding defensive coach who got a late start as a head coach (48 when he became coach of the Rams). Largely responsible for the Bears 1963 championship, he took two teams to the playoffs, and went to one Super Bowl without winning. Was the first to make Special Teams a coordinator level position.

20. Bud Grant - Grant did win three championships, but those wins were in the CFL. Grant led the Vikings to four Super Bowls, but his teams were overpowered each time. Had the misfortune of coaching in an era where Shula, Noll, Madden and Landry had dominant teams.
 

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Paul Brown, Lombardi and Tom. Hard to choose between them.

Brown and Tom were incredible innovators.
Lombardi the master motivator and all time percentage Champ and Playoff winner.

1A,B,C

Everyone else after them frankly there is a gap of good size
 

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Unfortunately, I forgot about Paul Brown.

I will say this about Lombardi...I don't think any coach did more to popularize the game. And he may have done more than any coach to popularize their respective game in any sport. The only person I think comes close is Red Auerbach.




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I don't know how you don't put Landry in the top 3 just based on his 2 decades of consistently winning. Landry in my opinion is the greatest coach the NFL has ever had. You can look at any category and Landry is right there...He built a franchise from scratch, he had consistently good teams for decades, he produced Hall of Fame players, his coaching tree at one time was the best in the NFL, he won championships, and he revolutionized the game. And have you really ever heard anyone that had ever worked or played with Landry bad mouth him? He had the respect of all of his peers.
 

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It's all so subjective and a matter of personal opinion that I don't put any stock in these types of "top" lists. MY list is the only one that truly matters :D
 

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Phoenix;5088429 said:
It's all so subjective and a matter of personal opinion that I don't put any stock in these types of "top" lists. MY list is the only one that truly matters :D

I agree. A solid case could be made for all of these coaches as being the best. I have the utmost respect for all of them. No doubt being a Cowboys fan Landry holds a special place
 

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Maybe it's just me, but Chuck Noll is highly overrated. He shouldn't even be in the top 10. He gets in on the strength of those Steelers teams, who anybody could have coached to Super Bowls.

At least Landry did it with different quarterbacks and had a perennial contender. So did Don Shula. Noll had arguably the greatest team in NFL history. Yeah, he got them there, but who couldn't.

As for Jimmy Johnson, I think voters look at longevity, but if coaching were measured merely in the impact one made on the game, regardless of the time frame, Jimmy Johnson definitely belongs in the top 10. He's the best short-term coach ever, as far as I'm concerned. What he did in five years with the Cowboys is truly remarkable. I'm glad I have a chance to witness it.
 

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tyke1doe;5088442 said:
Maybe it's just me, but Chuck Noll is highly overrated. He shouldn't even be in the top 10. He gets in on the strength of those Steelers teams, who anybody could have coached to Super Bowls.

At least Landry did it with different quarterbacks and had a perennial contender. So did Don Shula. Noll had arguably the greatest team in NFL history. Yeah, he got them there, but who couldn't.

As for Jimmy Johnson, I think voters look at longevity, but if coaching were measured merely in the impact one made on the game, regardless of the time frame, Jimmy Johnson definitely belongs in the top 10. He's the best short-term coach ever, as far as I'm concerned. What he did in five years with the Cowboys is truly remarkable. I'm glad I have a chance to witness it.

Really? Noll took over a very bad Pitts team they were a joke for years then he came and built the Steelers into a power house. He took over in 1968 and in the years he was there they won 4 SB. Any Body could have coaches them yeah after they were built not sure any body could have built the team as Noll did.
 

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JakeCamp12;5088418 said:
I don't know how you don't put Landry in the top 3 just based on his 2 decades of consistently winning. Landry in my opinion is the greatest coach the NFL has ever had. You can look at any category and Landry is right there...He built a franchise from scratch, he had consistently good teams for decades, he produced Hall of Fame players, his coaching tree at one time was the best in the NFL, he won championships, and he revolutionized the game. And have you really ever heard anyone that had ever worked or played with Landry bad mouth him? He had the respect of all of his peers.

Landry caught flack from a number of his former players. Herb Adderley in particular.

His coaching tree pales in comparison to Paul Brown's. It's not even close.

Landry was great, but I do not see him being better than Brown, Lombardi or Shula.
 

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tyke1doe;5088442 said:
Maybe it's just me, but Chuck Noll is highly overrated. He shouldn't even be in the top 10. He gets in on the strength of those Steelers teams, who anybody could have coached to Super Bowls.

At least Landry did it with different quarterbacks and had a perennial contender. So did Don Shula. Noll had arguably the greatest team in NFL history. Yeah, he got them there, but who couldn't.

As for Jimmy Johnson, I think voters look at longevity, but if coaching were measured merely in the impact one made on the game, regardless of the time frame, Jimmy Johnson definitely belongs in the top 10. He's the best short-term coach ever, as far as I'm concerned. What he did in five years with the Cowboys is truly remarkable. I'm glad I have a chance to witness it.

Noll built one of the best defenses to ever play the game. He also coached tremendous defenses with the Colts. I agree that he isn't on a level with a number of coaches, but he was a tremendous coach.
 

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Jimma was our greatest coach. He did the most in the least time. He be the James Dean of football.
As to Tom, a top 10 coach, but if you stick around the league for what, 30 years, you will win plenty or lose plenty. Boff I guess.

And there it is, your Bleacher Report quote of the day.
 

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Plankton;5088473 said:
Landry caught flack from a number of his former players. Herb Adderley in particular.

His coaching tree pales in comparison to Paul Brown's. It's not even close.

Landry was great, but I do not see him being better than Brown, Lombardi or Shula.

Oh to be young and so sure....

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History of Professional Football (1920-present)
Consecutive seasons with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards.
11 Landry, Cowboys (NFL, 1968-78)
4 Belichick, Patriots (NFL, 2006-09)
3 Brown, Browns (AAFC, 1946-48)
3 Grant, Vikings (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Halas, Bears (NFL, 1926-28)
3 Holmgren, Packers (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Noll, Steelers (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Seifert, 49ers (NFL, 1989-91 and 1994-96)
3 Shanahan, Broncos (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Shula, Dolphins (NFL, 1971-73)
3 Walsh, 49ers (NFL, 1986-88)

(adjusted for size of league)
 

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ABQCOWBOY;5087662 said:
I think Paul Brown did more for the game but I would certainly agree that Coach Landry is right there in that top 2 or 3 discussion. JMO of course.

Not very easy to argue differently. Father of the modern game in so many ways; organization, teaching, assistants, attn to detail, year round involvement, high expectations for players all year, he not Gillman advanced the vertical offense into the pro game as well as read and react routes, blocking schemes, yada. Most every coaching tree is spawned from or draws on the Brown tree.

I put Landry #2 over Lombardi. He was the more innovative of the two although Lombardi was probably a better motivator (don't sell Landry short there...Waters said he had a way of looking at you that made you afraid and wanting to run thru walls at the same time). Lombardi got his offense going and won right away in GB so you can't take anything from him. Once he lost his core though he wisely left. Landry just kept reloading. Both were great at recognizing talent, strengths, and weaknesses and building around that. Landry took the 4-3 concept and made it work for the NFL even today. His flex defense was a problem for OCs for many years.

I don't know where to put Belichek, Shula, Gibbs, Grant, Walsh and Noll. You can make cases for all of them in the top five. Gibbs may have gotten more out of mediocre talent than anyone I've see. If you look at his career he was always around some of the greatest coaches the league had seen. Reeves, Gillman, Owens, and Coryell deserve more credit but I don't know where to put them. Eubank doesn't belong on the list. Halas dominated with the best players in a league short on talent at times so not that high on him but he did enough other things to be in the Hall. Davis gets a lot of snickers around here but this guy was a great coach at one time and came from a great tree. Madden learned a lot from this guy. Stram, Parcells, Johnson, Allen, and Curley deserve mention.
 

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Halas as a coach was very good but not great. BUT when you put everything else he did into the equation - incredible.

Without George Halas there would be no NFL.

Now as regards just how good a coach- true a lot of his wins came with superior talent. And then there is what some consider the closest to a perfect game ever played.

73-0.

That is a pretty impressive example for his resume.

Now he was not an innovator as far as I can find; but he was very quick to copy things and figure out how they worked for the Bears.

And in 1963 he won the NFL Championship with a great D and nothing else. Might have been his greatest coaching year and that was 30 years after his first Championship.

So Halas- really hard to weigh him against the others.
 
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