ESPN Insider: Polling NFL execs: Would you rather have Wentz or Prescott?

Personally I think Dak started out looking like he had less upside than Wentz based on the Giants game. Since that time Wentz has been regressing in effectiveness as time has gone on. As a pure athlete Wentz may be better. The intangibles are clearly in Dak's corner. I would take Dak over Wentz at this point. I think he will have a better career because of his confidence, poise in the pocket and ability to process information. Dak is a superior player to Wentz right now and it's not even close. I can't believe it is true.....but it definitely is true as of this point in time.
 
Idgit said:
I don't buy for a second that Wentz's upside

We've seen Dak elevate bad teams in college. We've seen him outperform Wentz with a good team in the pros. If you want to say you think Wentz is still the better player based off of things we haven't seen yet, that's fine, but I"ll believe it when I see it.
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Here's the thing idgit, no one and I mean no one, was saying the Dallas Cowboys were a good team heading into the season.
I fact, the football gods laid out a scenario that almost exactly duplicated
last years fiasco. Same coaching staff, same gm Lose your starting qb and your play making wr, oh and go ahead and throw in your pro bowl left tackle for emphasis.
A recipe that took us to 1-11 last yr has us sitting at 5-1 this yr.
The only difference I can see is that level of play has been raised by the addition of two rookies and the fact that we got both for considerably less than what the eagles paid for one, well that just makes it all the more sweeter.
For yrs our fans have screamed that this team has no leadership and now right before our eyes, our team is being led by two rookies, who by the way, will only get better.
Players that were pedestrian last year are off to the best starts of their careers.
Elevating the play of those around you is one of the best traits a qb can have imo.
Wentz can have the beauty contest, just keep doing what you're done dak and the end result will be measurable im most interested in.
The level of excitement in Dallas for this team is reaching a boiling point. A win over the wentz led eagles Sunday and the roof will come off at&t.
 
I think the more I look at things, the more I think Wentz is possibly fool's gold. I'm not saying that he will be as his tangibles are incredible. Although I don't think he's anywhere near as accurate as Dak is at this point. I don't know where that one exec got that idea other than he hasn't been watching games.

But that's kind of the thing...'busts' happen when they have incredible tangibles. David Carr had incredible tangibles. Cannon for an arm, about as quick of a release as you could hope for, ran well at the combine and could do all of those accuracy drills and tricks that Alex Tanney could do. And I think Carr may have been a good QB if he hadn't started right away. But the Texans saw the tangibles and thought he could start right away and now he becomes a huge bust.

The fact is that Wentz hadn't played much college ball up until 2 years ago. And he played at a very low competition level and didn't look all that good in the championship game. There's no denying his tangibles. This is a very big dude who is very agile and fast for a QB that size and has a massive arm. I'm sure he's great at going thru the chalkboard as well.

But often times scouts develop pet cats based on the romanticism of the game and don't examine closely enough of what makes great QB's versus good QB's versus average QB's versus mediocre QB's.

It sounds great that he's able to take a beating and 'not flinch.' Or stay in the pocket, get drilled and still deliver the throw. Nobody wants a Bubby Brister. But, most of the great QB's don't get hit that often and are good at avoiding getting drilled while making the throw.

And you see Dak with a very different motion that has been extremely accurate with excellent ball location throughout the year while Wentz still has the same exact motion and the same exact issue of his right elbow 'flying out' and his passes sailing on him.

That intangible of being able to pick things up quickly, particularly new motor skills is an enormous factor in any young player's success, particularly at QB. The fact that he played so well at Mississippi State, which is in the SEC, and did it with inferior offensive talent speaks more to me than doing well at North Dakota State which is the powerhouse program against FCS competition.

I can see why they drafted Wentz so high, but I think it's a real mistake by starting him this early, particularly after only getting 1 game of preseason ball. He, like Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch, need to sit and develop what they can off the field. Then once those are developed properly, go into the game to be able to bring what they have developed into game situations. I'm no Jeff Fisher fan, but I think he's doing the right thing by the Rams by sitting Goff.

And that's a big part that's being missed out on all of this, I think the Eagles made a huge mistake by starting Wentz and that there's more to being a QB than athleticism, a big arm and being able to go thru the chalkboard extremely well.





RH
 
Peyton was (better) than Brady and Brady has more rings. All that matters to me. I don't really care if Wentz is better. And of course by better it means (arm talent). Whatever
 
Wentz has a ton of talent, but I'm rolling with Dak. Wentz will make throws that look more impressive, as he seems less hesitant to throw it down the field, but I like the consistency of Dak. Dak's game may be fairly boring because he's not tossing bombs down the field, but his game is effective. Give me the W over circus ball.
 
It's just funny to me that Tom Brady can play the dink dunk style and be praised but Dak needs bombs. Very interesting
 
LocimusPrime said:
What kinda of sorry homies wouldnt have your back in a fight?! Disgusting. Always get your boy's back
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it was him a backup qb and a DL. They got jumped and the DL even had like 6 guys on him. IDK why this report says they didnt help him. They all got beat up.
 
NextGenBoys said:
The 2005 draft is what inspired my username, NextGenBoys. Ware, Spears, Burnett, Barber, Ratliff, Canty, even Rob Petiti who's father was a member on here for awhile...and my favorite that never got a fair shot due to injury Justin Beriault....that dude would have been a legit safety. It was a new generation, and this 2016 draft is yet again, a new generation of Cowboys.

Time flies.
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Did not know about Petiti's father being a member, I agree it was an epic draft.
 
Macnalty said:
Did not know about Petiti's father being a member, I agree it was an epic draft.
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If Prescott pans out this one is better. Just Zeke and him trump the entire 2005 class.

When you consider we used a 2016 pick for Geoff Swaim it just gets embarrassing.
 
If you take Wentz, you give up Zeke and I'm not giving up Zeke.
 
Risen Star said:
Yes and they also face far less tougher competition than anyone playing in the SEC. The transition for those players to the NFL is even greater.

Wentz was not drafted high for his "readiness to play". He was drafted high for his skill set and projection over his career.

You think the Eagles knew he'd be starting week 1? That was a series of events set off by Teddy Bridgewater going down for the season. He was supposed to be stashed until next year. Maybe play a few games at the end of this year if they fell out of playoff contention.
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Every draft pick is drafted for skill set and projection over their career. That's not saying anything. I don't even know what the term "readiness to play" means because it's so generic. To simply step in and play and contribute week one of one's rookie season? To be a starter week one? Well, the first meaning applies to players rarely drafted outside of rounds one and two, and the second phrase applies relatively rarely to any players at all drafted outside of the first round, especially rookie QBs, even those drafted in the top five. The latter starting day one is something all smart GMs would like to avoid, and it was a rarity until relatively recent football history where parity simply hasn't allowed it anymore. So most rookie QBs who are thrown to the wolves so to speak simply fail though they show promise. My point is Wentz is as "ready to start" as any other player drafted being among the top picks in the draft, even more so than Dak, even though the latter played in Division I and the former played in a lesser division. No one thought Dak would be starting week 1 either.
 
If you would take Wentz over Dak then there isn't much left to talk about. Odds are you will never concede that Dak is better considering all the major stats favor him.

People want to discredit Dak because he has a better supporting cast, which I find hilarious. It's not his fault his team has a competent front office and Wentz does not.
 
Risen Star said:
If Prescott pans out this one is better. Just Zeke and him trump the entire 2005 class.

When you consider we used a 2016 pick for Geoff Swaim it just gets embarrassing.
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Hard to argue when Dak has a QBR of 116.5 in October and one loss, the leading rusher can sometime pale in comparison. The jury is in on Zeke(great pic) and Dak's confirmation will require one more year. I would consider the Cowboys a nightmare draw for any NFL team this year.
 
Proof said:
I still think wentz is the better QB overall, but I would rather have Dak on this team, and wouldn't trade him for Wentz period.
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That doesnt make any sense if you think about it. Logically anyway. If you think Wentz is the better QB, then you take the better QB.
 
stilltheguru88 said:
It's just funny to me that Tom Brady can play the dink dunk style and be praised but Dak needs bombs. Very interesting
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Not interesting at all. He's a multi champ and MVP and has shown the ability to air it out (moss year). Patriots are pragmatic and go with what works so they get the benefit of the doubt. Dak may be of the same cloth, but wanting to know that part of his game exists isn't a criticism, just a piece of analysis.


Also circling back, when discussing weapons and team talent, we can just add college body of work in. Roles were somewhat reversed with wentz as part of a powerhouse that clearly could win without him as evidenced by their better record without him last year, and the titles before him

Meanwhile Dak WAS miss st and kept them competitive in the best conference in football to include their first ever #1 ranking.

And that's not to mention Dak winning senior bowl MVP LOL


I think wentz is getting a bit more love because his fast start seemed to validate some of the hyperbolic scout praise and everyone jumped straight to "oh **** they were right!"
 
NextGenBoys said:
The 2005 draft is what inspired my username, NextGenBoys. Ware, Spears, Burnett, Barber, Ratliff, Canty, even Rob Petiti who's father was a member on here for awhile...and my favorite that never got a fair shot due to injury Justin Beriault....that dude would have been a legit safety. It was a new generation, and this 2016 draft is yet again, a new generation of Cowboys.

Time flies.
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I loved that draft so much; and yes, time does fly. Ware is my favorite Cowboy of all time, but I have to admit, I wanted Merriman. I still remember *****ing about it on another Cowboys forum. Most of us were pissed. :lmao2:
 
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