ESPN Insider: Polling NFL execs: Would you rather have Wentz or Prescott?

[ActualCowboysFan]

Sounds good to anyone without the slightest clue about the draft.

Put the mirror down Bill.

 

[Idgit]

They flat out said he was going to redshirt for a season. And no - it wasn't his pro-readiness. The kid was playing football at North Dakota State. He wasn't drafted for how well he would play as a rookie. Though, he's outpaced expectations by a good deal.

You go ahead and keep waiting to see upside before you believe it. Kind of a funny stance on potential though.

They said it because they had an upset prima donna unhappy in front of him. What did they end up _doing_ though? Hint: they didn't redshirt him, whether you've learned how to use the face palm icon or no.

And I'll keep waiting on production, not upside. Not a funny stance at all. It's a production business.

 

[ConceptCoop]

They said it because they had an upset prima donna unhappy in front of him. What did they end up _doing_ though? Hint: they didn't redshirt him, whether you've learned how to use the face palm icon or no.

And I'll keep waiting on production, not upside. Not a funny stance at all. It's a production business.

They started him because he was way ahead of schedule. They didn't draft planning him to do so. Seriously, we're going to pretend that Carson Wentz was drafted for his pro-readiness? This a real thing we're doing? Carson. Wentz. North. Dakota. State.

Carson Wentz has had great production for a Rookie QB. He's still in the rookie of the year race, for goodness sake. And keep waiting on production - that's great. But some of us are talking about more than the first 6 games of their careers.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I feel the need to pin this to my refrigerator.

Go Cowboys, bro.

Pin it right beside your Wentz calender

 

[Proximo]

That's what upside is - a projection.

Which is exactly why it's an easy "out" for the Wentz brigade to cope with Dak performing better as a pro so far.

B-b-b-but he has more upside!

Says who? Get out of here with that nonsense.

Nobody can prove which guy has more upside.

What's not debatable is which guy has played better so far.

 

[Risen Star]

Pin it right beside your Wentz calender

It's a disciple a month and then the savior to beget the new year.

Are we having an adult discussion right now?

 

[ConceptCoop]

Which is exactly why it's an easy "out" for the Wentz brigade to cope with Dak performing better as a pro so far.

B-b-b-but he has more upside!

Says who? Get out of here with that nonsense.

Nobody can prove which guy has more upside.

What's not debatable is which guy has played better so far.

It's a projection. Nobody can prove anything that hasn't happened yet, when it comes to sports. Hell, you can't prove the Cowboys wouldn't be 6-0 with Wentz at QB.

What's not debatable is that Dak Prescott has better stats thus far. That's it. They're in two very different situations, so we can't say that means that Dak has been the better player. For the record, I'd buy the argument that Dak has played better. But we haven't seen him get sacked 3 times in a quarter without any support from the running game.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Which is exactly why it's an easy "out" for the Wentz brigade to cope with Dak performing better as a pro so far.

B-b-b-but he has more upside!

Says who? Get out of here with that nonsense.

Nobody can prove which guy has more upside.

What's not debatable is which guy has played better so far.

But seriously, if the only thing that matters is what has already happened, in your opinion, maybe don't interrupt conversations about what we think will happen beyond that.

 

[SultanOfSix]

That wasn't even worth responding to. That's someone just talking out of his backside. A North Dakota St. guy drafted at the top for his "readiness to play". Sounds good to anyone without the slightest clue about the draft.

You realize that North Dakota has won the last FIVE national titles for their division, right? They are a powerhouse in it.

 

[ConceptCoop]

You realize that North Dakota has won the last FIVE national titles for their division, right? They are a powerhouse in it.

And what division is that? The SEC? PAC 10? B1G? BIG 12? Where did their recruiting class rank this year? Top 5? Top 15? Top 100 (nope)?

 

[Risen Star]

You realize that North Dakota has won the last FIVE national titles for their division, right? They are a powerhouse in it.

Yes and they also face far less tougher competition than anyone playing in the SEC. The transition for those players to the NFL is even greater.

Wentz was not drafted high for his "readiness to play". He was drafted high for his skill set and projection over his career.

You think the Eagles knew he'd be starting week 1? That was a series of events set off by Teddy Bridgewater going down for the season. He was supposed to be stashed until next year. Maybe play a few games at the end of this year if they fell out of playoff contention.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Wentz was not drafted high for his "readiness to play". He was drafted high for his skill set and projection over his career.

The fact that we have to explain this is concerning to me.

 

[Proximo]

But seriously, if the only thing that matters is what has already happened, in your opinion, maybe don't interrupt conversations about what we think will happen beyond that.

LOL at "interrupting conversations" on an Internet message board. Especially considering YOU're the one who quoted ME, ha. Get outta here with this nonsense bro.

 

[Risen Star]

LOL at "interrupting conversations" on an Internet message board. Especially considering YOU're the one who quoted ME, ha. Get outta here with this nonsense bro.

It was a little rude how you butted in.

 

[Melonfeud]

It's too early to say. I don't care where someone was drafted. Every team missed on Tom Brady six times except the Patriots and he's been to the SB six times, more than any other QB in history.

If all the measurables are close and there isn't much of a difference, you take the one who gives you the intangibles, and those you can't judge until the players are in games that really matter, and neither of these players have been there yet.

I haven't seen Wentz play much so I can't really speak to his ability or his presence. I've seen Dak play and he has impressed me with his accuracy, poise, presence, game management, and security with the ball, especially for a rookie.

I'd double like this here post,if I could.

 

[Idgit]

They started him because he was way ahead of schedule. They didn't draft planning him to do so. Seriously, we're going to pretend that Carson Wentz was drafted for his pro-readiness? This a real thing we're doing? Carson. Wentz. North. Dakota. State.

Carson Wentz has had great production for a Rookie QB. He's still in the rookie of the year race, for goodness sake. And keep waiting on production - that's great. But some of us are talking about more than the first 6 games of their careers.

Why do we always have to go over this with the Wentz Fanclub every couple of weeks?

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Yes, Carson, like any NFL rookie QB was a projection for the NFL. And, yes, he was considered by some one of the more pro ready prospects in this QB group.

And, yes, his production has trailed Dak Prescott's early in the year so far.

 

[Idgit]

The fact that we have to explain this is concerning to me.

Like any player, he was drafted for both. But it's worth mentioning he was a top 2 pick and a week one starter no matter what you think you're trying to explain.

If you think he was drafted to sit, the facts don't bear your argument out.

 

[Melonfeud]

3 Turnovers in the first quarter. If Dak did that Risen's snark could power interstellar travel.

SHEESH,,,, this is way WORTHY of my plebian PULLED QUOTE!,, in fact I'm thinking about wasting another 45 minutes of my alloted lifetime reading this ENTIRE THREAD!!!,, or maybe not!
Regardless,,, it equals funny,, and I mean FUNNY **** I'M READING.

 

[bodi]

worthy of ten pages thin not its Wentz

it said it the beginning

The six league insiders polled here -- the GM, ex-GM, head coach and three personnel directors -- all had Wentz rated higher than Prescott entering the draft. All six said they would still take Wentz over Prescott now, but the gap between the two would be much smaller.

"Don't get me wrong, I'd take either one right now, sign a 10-year contract and go," the GM said. "Dak has done nothing wrong. Just the way Wentz goes about his business, he impresses me a lot. Wentz reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger -- a big guy who can stand back there and throw it."

All agreed that Wentz and Prescott seem driven to excel, which can be pivotal for long-term success as long as the player possesses sufficient talent. All agreed that Wentz is more advanced reading through progressions, an area where Prescott is improving. All agreed that Wentz and Prescott possessed the poise and overall makeup to succeed. Longer term, they want to see how both function as passers when forced to win games with their arms. That is always the ultimate test for quarterbacks.

So, who ya got?

"If you said Wentz for all those draft picks Philly paid or Dak for the fourth-rounder Dallas used, I will take Dak," one personnel director said. "Heads up, I will still take Wentz."

 

[SportsGuru80]

Personally I like Dak...