ESPN Mosley Blog: Jerry Jones fired the wrong Jones

[Alexander]

Exactly!!!

The "decision" was made for him. If the Outside the Lines wasn't airing he'd still be on the team.

The only real "decision" in this whole scenario was Jerry's decision that he had to have Pac. The rest is just fallout.

Even if the show was not in the picture, what would cutting him after the fact do? Cutting him after the event would have got the effect that some people are imagining it has now. I am sure the players know differently.

Demonstrate "change"? Jerry Jones doesn't change. He just "re-invents" himself. That is fancy speak for he's the same person but just packaged differently.

If another Pacman Jones comes along, he would probably look into it again. The only way he will stop taking risks like this on a permanent basis is if teams were penalized for them.

 

[bbgun]

Exactly!!!

The "decision" was made for him. If the Outside the Lines wasn't airing he'd still be on the team.

The only real "decision" in this whole scenario was Jerry's decision that he had to have Pac. The rest is just fallout.

The exact point I made yesterday. Again, absent this ESPN story, Jerry and Pac would still be BFF.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2561131&postcount=6

 

[Hostile]

Scandrick was a solid decision. Felix Jones was a solid decision. Tashard Choice was a solid decision. Even Jenkins was a solid decision. I would agree with you if all of those draft choices were Jerry trying to get something for nothing, but those are solid picks.

And this past draft is much better than past drafts where Jerry did forego solid decisions for trying to get something for nothing like in 2002 when he drafted Antonio Bryant and Derek Ross.

Jerry has improved. In the past he would have spent more guaranteed money on Pacman and not drafted a corner in case the deal did not work out.

I've learned that progress past January 2, 2003 is not counted towards any credit due the man because he hired Dave Campo.

 

[Bach]

I've learned that progress past January 2, 2003 is not counted towards any credit due the man because he hired Dave Campo.

You should go back to school.

 

[Hostile]

You should go back to school.

I'd love to. I enjoyed college very much.

 

[Bach]

I'd love to. I enjoyed college very much.

I hope if you get the chance you use better logic there.

 

[bbgun]

I'd love to. I enjoyed college very much.

Dean Wormer's wife had a lot to do with it.

 

[joseephuss]

I hope if you get the chance you use better logic there.

So you don't think Scrandick was a solid draft choice?

 

[Hostile]

Dean Wormer's wife had a lot to do with it.

She was delicious.

 

[Hostile]

I hope if you get the chance you use better logic there.

Or in your case gooder English.

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[Bach]

So you don't think Scrandick was a solid draft choice?

Another one with extremely faulty logic, I see.

 

[joseephuss]

Another one with extremely faulty logic, I see.

Faulty logic?

Your original logic is that Jerry can not make any solid decisions.

If he could make solid decisions instead of always looking to get something for virtually nothing we'd be much better off.

So, if Jerry can learn to make some solid decisions, then Dallas will be better off. Looks like he has improved in that category with Scandrick being one of those solid decisions. Nothing faulty about that.

I never stated that Jerry was perfect or that there was no room for improvement. I have always hoped Jerry would hire a true GM. We both know that won't happen. He is in charge and always will be. He also has improved some. A 9-7 record is better than three straight 5-11 seasons. Drafting Scandrick is way better than drafting Derek Ross.

Jerry is no longer "always" looking to get something for nothing. He does still do that on occasion, but not always as you illogically stated.

Now if we are talking playoff appearances and wins then it is your logic that is faulty. Most can agree that Jerry has made "some solid decisions" by drafting Felix, Jenkins, Scandrick and Choice, yet Dallas still did not make the playoffs. Either your logic is flawed or you do not think those guys are solid picks. Based on your response you do not think they are solid picks. Must be because you think that Jerry is not smart enough to make at least "some solid decisions". All of his decisions must therefore be poor by your logic.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Don't forget the solid decision of drafting Ware over Merriman.

 

[Bach]

Faulty logic?

Your original logic is that Jerry can not make any solid decisions.

So, if Jerry can learn to make some solid decisions, then Dallas will be better off. Looks like he has improved in that category with Scandrick being one of those solid decisions. Nothing faulty about that.

It's rather faulty if you're basing your whole premise on one player or draft. Scandrick's a good player and we did have a real good draft this year. Hopefully we'll have many more. But there's more to good solid decisions than just that.

When he stops rushing out trying to build a team with troubled players like PacMan, Tank, and TO and learns chemistry is a key element to winning, then you might have a point. Same with his coaching decisions, which is right back in line with what he did during the Switzer, Gailey and Campo years when he hired a glorified coordinator and made him HC all the while he meddled with hiring staff members for the pseudo-HC.

I see some think he totally changed in 2003, but it takes more than hiring one good HC who is now gone or having one or two decent drafts to show that he's really changed.

 

[Thomas82]

Regarding Jerry acquiring Pacman let me just say this. No guts, no glory.

I didn't want Pacman here, and I am thrilled he is gone, but I understand what they tried to do and I can't fault it.

It was low risk given the trade parameter built in to give a pick back.

If it had paid off because he really did get it the pay off could have been huge. This guy was a top 10 pick that we were getting for a small price.

Jerry rolled the dice. I have no issue with that. Pacman came up craps. That's because he didn't see the light. Don't know how he could miss it, it was coming through the hole in the roof every day.

Very well said!!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Regarding Jerry acquiring Pacman let me just say this. No guts, no glory.

I didn't want Pacman here, and I am thrilled he is gone, but I understand what they tried to do and I can't fault it.

It was low risk given the trade parameter built in to give a pick back.

If it had paid off because he really did get it the pay off could have been huge. This guy was a top 10 pick that we were getting for a small price.

Jerry rolled the dice. I have no issue with that. Pacman came up craps. That's because he didn't see the light. Don't know how he could miss it, it was coming through the hole in the roof every day.

Some times you gamble some times you don't. Depends on what's at stake.
Jones gambled by putting an idiot in the locker room that had no more room for idiots. That was a gamble that didn't need to be taken.

But why fault Jones for that, he put the other two idiots there also.

 

[Bach]

Some times you gamble some times you don't. Depends on what's at stake.
Jones gambled by putting an idiot in the locker room that had no more room for idiots. That was a gamble that didn't need to be taken.

But why fault Jones for that, he put the other two idiots there also.

Not to mention the idiot that's ruinin - er - running the entire franchise.

 

[joseephuss]

It's rather faulty if you're basing your whole premise on one player or draft. Scandrick's a good player and we did have a real good draft this year. Hopefully we'll have many more. But there's more to good solid decisions than just that.

When he stops rushing out trying to build a team with troubled players like PacMan, Tank, and TO and learns chemistry is a key element to winning, then you might have a point. Same with his coaching decisions, which is right back in line with what he did during the Switzer, Gailey and Campo years when he hired a glorified coordinator and made him HC all the while he meddled with hiring staff members for the pseudo-HC.

I see some think he totally changed in 2003, but it takes more than hiring one good HC who is now gone or having one or two decent drafts to show that he's really changed.

See that wasn't so hard to give him some credit. Before you dealt in absolutes and that Jerry could not make any good decisions. That is all I am saying.

Jerry has his faults, but he also has made some good decisions. I know I never said he totally changed, but he has improved somewhat. Before he would have built a team around Pacman. Now he adds Pacman thinking he is the final piece of the puzzle. That is an improvement. Further improvement is not doing the same thing. At least he has cut ties with Pacman, so that too is improvement.

We can agree that is going to take even more good decisions to make Dallas a winner. Jerry has to pull that off because he is not going to let anyone else do it. Hopefully Jerry will make more good decisions and fewer bad ones.

Chemistry is a key element in winning, but there is not a single team out there that doesn't have a few guys that aren't good for team chemistry. Every team has a few knuckle heads.

 

[Bach]

See that wasn't so hard to give him some credit. Before you dealt in absolutes and that Jerry could not make any good decisions. That is all I am saying.

I've stated all season that this was a good draft. And yeah, we'll definitely need to keep having them if we are to have any chance in the future.

What I was referring to is after all these years he's still trying to build a team with reclamation projects regardless of the impact in the locker room.
And sometimes it is the wise thing to do. But he'll take on players no one else would touch with a ten foot pole and if it goes bad, which is usually does, he just shrugs it off as him being a risk-taker, as if his "risks" have really paid off in the last 13 years.

Chemistry is a key element in winning, but there is not a single team out there that doesn't have a few guys that aren't good for team chemistry. Every team has a few knuckle heads.

Every team does have some. But they usually don't search them out. No other team in the league would touch Pacman except Jerry. Then after he got here he gets suspended and then he's still brought back in Dec.

But hey, after 15 years of Jerry doing this without Jimmy he's finally made a few good draft picks and cut Pacman so we should salute him. OK.

 

[Doomsday]

The way Jenkins and Scandrick play last season there was no reason to keep Pacman.