ESPN Mosley Chat Wrap - 05/12/09... lots of 'boys

[Randy White]

talent level.

That is my opinion and in this case, I agree with Mosely's opinion. I don't always.

Fine, it is your opinion, but what is your basis for it ?

 

[KingintheNorth]

 

[Randy White]

He's exactly as I stated. A very good third WR, easily one of the best if not the best in the conference.

You're talking about Crayton, right ?

Smith has this year to show he's better, and I have no doubt he will.

Based on what ?

Smith has been in his own pecking order behind Burress, Jacobs, Ward and Toomer. And he's excelled in that role.

What are you talking about ? Brandon Jacobs has exactly 40 CAREER receptions. That's not a misprint. 40 receptions in his entire career, and 23 of them came in 2007. Ward has 61 in his career, 41 of them last year, and most of that after Plax was out, which is also when Smith took over.

Compare that to Barber's 137 career receptions, who's been arguably the " real " 3rd or 4th receiver on this team. Barber had 52 of them last year alone and he was hurt.

I understand Burress and Toomer, and even to some extent the often injured Shockey being ahead of him, but that's it, and that's no where near the talent that Crayton has had to battle for receptions.

And? Keenan McCardell was cut MULTIPLE times until he latched on and was a very effective WR. Your logic here is weak and that's being very generous.

Not even close to being as WEAK as yours. You have absolutely ZERO evidence that Smith is better, was better, or will be better than Crayton.

ZERO.

How about stay on the field and maybe start a game or two? How about simply contribute more? Hixon has played in 16 career games and started seven. Austin has yet to notch a start, has fewer catches and fewer yards.

Talk about WEAK crap.. That's chicken diarrhea contaminated with swine flu at it's best.

You're saying Hixon, basically a journeyman player, is better because he has had the opportunity that Miles has not AND yet still hasn't produced more than Miles.

Again, I like the player, but he's not consistent and hasn't been able to grasp opportunities with regularity, even as a third WR. That's his issue. Hixon is a similar player and has actually done more. So I'd say Austin needs to get consistent to get to his level since their skillset is nearly identical.

What fantasy island have you been living in ?

What " opportunities " has Austin had in his career ? Miles Austin has NEVER been close to being the 3rd receiver for the Cowboys. Hell, he's NEVER been close to being the 4th receiver for that matter. Every time that Austin has been on that field, there have been at least 3, if not 4, players who were ahead of him in terms of priority for the ball. Everything he's accomplished, with the exception of kick off return, has been as an " after thought ", as in " wholy ghost, we've forgotten we have this guy in our team " play.

Hicks is the one player that if they didn't have, I wouldn't be taking their potential over what we have. Again, it is about the sum, not the individuals. And of course, I am going off potential. I might be wrong, but I would go with more talent over our statistical "advantage".

A) There's a difference between " Potential " and " Talent ". There isn't ANY receiver on the Midgets who's more talented than Roy. There isn't a WR for the Midgets who's more " talented " than Austin, for that matter. Now, I will admit that when it comes to " Potential ", I think Hicks has that above just about anybody not named Roy Williams. I'll reserve judgement on Barden because I also think he has tons of potential.

B) The sum of the part IS what this is based on. Only a fool would take a receiving core that has about 7 TDs in their entire career, over another one who's 2nd most productive receiver has nearly 3 times as that, unless age was a factor, which is NOT in this case.

 

[Randy White]

So it makes sense to you to leave out our No. 1 receiver when you compare the receiving corps head-to-head? Would you agree with someone who included Williams for us but left Steve Smith out for the Giants?

Oh, wait, let me guess. You'd take Nicks over Williams, Hixon over Crayton, Manningham over Austin ...

The hilarious part of all of this is the complete ignorance and hypocrisy of the arguments.

" Stanback's inability to get on the field is alarming ", " Austin hasn't accomplished much in his career ". " Hurd has done nothing "....

Austin and Hurd came into the team in 2006, Stanback in 2007.

2006:

T.O. = 85 catches, 1,180 yards, 13 TDs
Glenn = 70 catches, 1,047 yards, 6 TDs
Witten = 64 catches, 754 yards, 1 TD
Crayton = 36 catches, 516 yards, 4 TDs
Barber = 23 catches, 196 yards, 2 TDs

Ok, geniuses: exactly WHO should have Hurd and Austin have beaten for playing time out of that group ?

Next

2007:

T.O = 81 catches, 1,355 yards, 15 Tds
Witten = 96 catches, 1,145 yards, 7 Tds
Crayton= 50 catches, 697 yards, 7 TDs
Barber = 44 catches, 282 yards, 2 TDs
J.Jones = 23 catches, 203 yards, 0 TDs

HURD = 19 catches, 314 yards, 1 TD

Austin was hurt for most of the season and Hurd took over as the 4th option, at best..

And I'll ask the geniuses in here again: WHO should have Stanback beaten out of the group ?


2008:

T.O. = 69 catches , 1,052 yards, 10 Tds
Witten = 81 catches, 952 yards, 4 TDs
Barber = 52 catches, 417 yards, 2 TDs
Crayton = 39 catches, 550 yards, 4 TDs
Roy Williams = 19 catches, 198 yards, 1 TD
Choice = 21 catches, 189 yards
M.Bennette, 20 catches, 283 yards, 4 TDs

M.Austin = 13 catches, 278 yards, 3 TDs

Hurd got hurt, missed the season.

And yet again: go ahead and name the guys in that group that Stanback and Austin should have beaten outright..

 

[KingintheNorth]

Couldn't that exact same argument used to explain why Manningham, Smith, and Moss don't have bigger stats? They played behind Plaxico and Amani Toomer. Most of the Jones Apologists' main point was stats.

Look, I'm done. The last thing in the world I want to do is defend or praise NY Giants players. Like Mosley, I just feel they have a better overall group. I hope our guys out-perform them.

Being a Cowboy fan does not mean that you must always toe the company line.

 

[Rampage]

Couldn't that exact same argument used to explain why Manningham, Smith, and Moss don't have bigger stats? They played behind Plaxico and Amani Toomer. Most of the Jones Apologists' main point was stats.

Look, I'm done. The last thing in the world I want to do is defend or praise NY Giants players. Like Mosley, I just feel they have a better overall group. I hope our guys out-perform them.

Being a Cowboy fan does not mean that you must always toe the company line.

kid is a bum.

 

[speedkilz88]

The Giants have pretty much written Moss off as a bust and they also didn't like what they got out of Manningham either.(doghouse)

 

[Bluefin]

Crayton vs. Smith - Stats aside... I like Smith as a 3rd option better than I like Crayton. Crayton has better hands but Smith is better everywhere else.

Steve Smith is a nice possession receiver, but he doesn't seem to provide much in the way of explosive plays.

Smith has only 3 receptions of 20+ yards in his career, a long of 30 and a career average of 9.8 yards per reception.

Comparatively, Patrick Crayton had 8 receptions of 20+ yards, 1 of 40+ yards, a long of 63 for a touchdown and averaged 14.8 yards per reception his first two seasons while making the adjustment to playing receiver again.

I'm not knocking Smith, he's a good player, but he has been very one dimensional as a short possession receiver. And with the Plax threat no longer on the team, defenses will likely start sitting on a lot of the Giants short routes unless someone can step up on the outside.

Crayton can do the slot possession thing while also bringing more big plays to go along with it.