dbair1967;2644955 said:
If Jerry were smart, we'd qualify Austin at the highest tender, insuring we keep him. Cut TO, let Austin and Crayton battle for #2 WR spot. If Austin has a quality year you can then sign him long term and know what you have.
But Jerry isn't smart, so he'll keep 35 year old WR Owens, qualify Austin at the 2nd rd tender, watch as another team happily gives up the 2nd to get him, we'll get one so-so year out of TO, other team gets a productive WR with a lot of big play potential. We get a late 2nd rd pick, which could easily be the next Jacob Rogers. And we have a gaping hole next year and beyond at one WR spot.
Having a bad day? Year? Or decade plus of no playoff wins?
sonnyboy;2645041 said:
Can't offer specifics on this, but Parcells has a particular belief/philosophy on signing other teams FA's. Not sure this applies to all teams or just teams with whom he has a working relationship, I.E. trades with. We would certainly qualify.
This goes back to us overpaying Davis after Payton tried to sign him for NO from us.
The philosophy has to do with I believe having an open dialog with certain teams about their players. FA's and RFA's.
The goal is to not inflate contracts of players the original team legitamately wants to resign.
Point being, Parcells wont try to steal Austin with an offer slightly higher than ours with some sort of poison pill.
If he signs him it will be with Jerry's OK. It will be a deal for significantly more money than we would pay a 3rd WR. It will be under the premise that Austin would be a starter and focal point of the Dolphin passing game.
I can see them working with each other but I wonder how far that charitable and trusting relationship goes??
jterrell;2645405 said:
if we can get a second for austin it is a virtual crime not to take it.
yes, he is fast and yes he has potential but he guy has 18 career catches and can not stay healthy.
do i think anyone pays a second for him??? NOPE!
I am trying to think of the last WR to get traded for a 2nd round pick. Nothing comes to me off the top of my head but I am fairly certain they will have more than 18 catches.
If you think Austin is ready to breakout and be a #3 or better WR then you don't let him go. You've already carried him on the roster for a few years developing him and now you're going to let him go for a low round two pick??? I guess it's all on how you feel he can contribute. I see him as a specialist on 3rd down, ST warrior, KOR, and at least pushing for the 3 spot and probably capable of becoming a solid #2 or even #1a. I'd find a way to keep him this year to see what you have in him.
jterrell;2645436 said:
I like Austin but 2nd round picks have real value. They are cheap players who scouts really like.
You have them under contract for a good while.
Its no guarantee you hit on them but you have the potential to hit way bigger than Miles Austin who was undrafted. If you are an NFL team that can turn that undrafted guy into a 2nd you do it. Especially with only 18 catches to his name over 3 seasons of football.
Right now you have guys like Sean Smith, Danny Beckwith, Delmas, Ron Brace and others ranked in that 2nd round area. Those guys imho would help this team more than Austin. I think all 3 could actually start here as a rookie.
But even more Dallas has a plethora of picks later on. Another seocnd and wow they have a loaded draft pool. Since they won't need 11-12 guys ont his team they can easily move up even into round 1 and grab a talent that would be off the table right now. OR they can move a second and third for a future first.
If we lose Austin it basically helps balance that RW trade as well. You spent a 1st and 3rd for a WR but then got back a 2nd because you had enough depth at the position.
We have two very good TE, three very good RBs and it is quite possible we throw a bit less next year. If so and we stay in 3 WR sets less do we really need a WR at 3.5 on the depth chart at the cost of a 2nd round pick??
You make a good point for the other viewpoint. I think Austin can be dangerous. He has the speed to break coverages over the top. He might not start with double coverages but his speed makes the offside safety stay within coverage range of him and will distract him or capture him. He comes back for the ball well and adjusts routes well even around the goalline. He has good hands and fights for the ball. He just needs to stay well. Add STs and KOR and he's a valuable player. That doesn't even take into acct the possibility for becoming a solid 2 or 1a WR.
neosapien23;2645902 said:
What am I missing here? Can't Dallas just tender Austin for the highest tender which would cost a team a 1st and a 3rd round pick?? Just bite the bullet and give Austin the highest tender possible and if he can prove himself next year than Dallas can resign him to a long term contract.
You have to pay him more. I doubt most teams would pay a 2 for him but it could be risky. That's as much as I'd want to pay him.
jterrell;2645966 said:
Sure, they can give cap money away if they want but it pointless. Teams aren't signing guys like Austin at the cost of 2nd round picks.
Agreed.
jterrell;2645985 said:
signing a guy as an undrafted free agent, getting some special teams play and 18 catches out of him and then receiving a 2nd round pick when he departs would hardly be pointless.
pointless is ... well having no point and using large font as if you did.
See above. I think he can be a very valuable player. His speed demands the safety watch him on that side. He's gotten open too often with single coverage and has even beaten teams that added help over the top. That's a big plus with him and TO on the field together. Add RWR into that mix and you have three scary WRs and one or two TEs as well as some scary RBs esp Felix. If the OL could give Romo 3-4 secs in the pocket then that would scare me if I'm a DC. We haven't had that much firepower on the field in a pretty long time.
65- Hayes, Dial, Clarke, Norman Playoff Bowl Lost
66- Hayes, Gent, Clarke, Norman NFLC Lost
67- Rentzel, Hayes, Clarke, Norman NFLC Lost
68- Rentzel, Hayes, Norman NFL EC Lost Bowl Won stupid Bowl I think
69- Rentzel, Hayes, Norman NFL EC Lost to Cleveland again (We hates them)
70- Rentzel, Hayes, Norman SB Lost
71- Hayes, Montgomery, Alworth, Sellers SB Win
72- Hayes, Montgomery, Alworth, Parks NFCC Lost
73- Hayes, Montgomery, Pearson, Richards NFCC Lost Playoffs 8 st8 years
74- Hayes, Richards, Pearson no playoff**
75- Richards, Pearson SB Lost
76- Richards, Johnson, Pearson ED title first round loss playoffs
77- Hill, Richards, Johnson, Pearson SB Win
78- Hill, Richards, Johnson, Pearson SB Lost
79- Hill, Johnson, Pearson 11th Divisional Championship, 14th conseq winning season, playoffs 13/14 years
80- Hill, Johnson, Pearson NFCC Lost
81- Hill, Johnson, Pearson NFCC Lost
82- Hill, Johnson, Pearson NFCC Lost
83- Hill, Johnson, Pearson 12-4 Lost WC LA @ TX Stadium (disgusting)
84 Hill, (Renfro), (Donley) 9-7 missed playoffs 19th conseq winning season though
85- Hill, Renfro, Cosbie* 10-6 team going nowhere fast
86- Hill, Renfro, Sherrard** 7-9 20 year conseq winning streak over
87- Martin, Banks, Sherrard** 7-8
88- Irvin, Alexander 3-13
89- Irvin, Martin 1-15
90- Irvin, Martin 7-9
91- Irvin, Martin, Harper 11-5 Divisional loss
92- Irvin, Martin, Harper 13-3 SB win
93- Irvin, Harper, Novachek* 12-4 SB Win
94- Irvin, Harper, Williams 12-4 NFCC Lost
95- Irvin, Williams, Davis 12-4 SB Won
96- Irvin, Williams, Sanders 10-6 Divisional Loss
97- Irvin, Miller 6-10
98- Irvin, Davis 10-6 WC loss
99- Irvin, Rocket, Mills 8-8 WC Loss
00- Rocket, McKnight 5-11
01- Rocket, Galloway 5-11
02- Galloway, Bryant 5-11
03- Galloway, Glenn 10-6 WC loss
04- Johnson, Glenn 6-10
05- Johnson, Glenn 9-7
06- Owens, Glenn 9-7 WC loss
07- Owens, Crayton 13-3 Divisional Loss
08- Owens, Crayton, Williams 9-7 Fizz, sput, spit, thud
Didn't mean to go this far but just got interested. I think this shows the necessity of having at least two accomplished WRs preferably three but you certainly need more to get the job done. Like a franchise QB, good lines, good front seven, and decent or better DB and STs play. But the QB and WR issue took me by surprise a little.
Oh yeah the better the running game the better chance, too. Duh.
Oh, and this is for you John. No playoff wins since the SB dynasty team 13 years ago. And the same GM. Hmmmmmmmm.
