ESPN Mosley: Diehl wants to be best left tackle in NFC... Flozell #4 in NFCE

[Stash]

Its weird that every other year after 2001 he has been bad then good then bad...

Good news is that we're due for a 'good' year.

 

[Dodger]

What I can't understand is the majority of the fans on this site's failure to properly judge/value Flozell Adams.

This has been going on forever. He's been one of our best lineman since 1998.

He missed 10 games in 2005 with the knee and was very ineffective for the majority of 2008 with the arm injury.

Outside of that the guy has played very well. His talent is immense and has shut down plenty of top rushers.

Sure Adams has talent, but I think his criticisms are often justified. The problem, as I and many others see it, is that he appears not to care about his mental mistakes, probably because he knows that his job is not currently being threatened. Hell, his job hasn't been threatened for years, and as a result, I don't think he gives 100% effort at all times.

He knows he makes mistakes, mistakes that cost the Cowboys, but he also knows that the team is willing to live with those mistakes because there is no one in sight who could possibly replace him.

He's a bit of a slacker at times, but his positives will likely continue to outweigh his negatives simply because he's all we've got, and that, in a nutshell, is why he has value to this team, at least, in my opinion anyway.

 

[speedkilz88]

Its weird that every other year after 2001 he has been bad then good then bad...

So he has been consistent.

 

[burmafrd]

the hotel has NEVER had that many false starts in a season. Not 2 per game or even close.

 

[AdamJT13]

Its weird that every other year after 2001 he has been bad then good then bad...

Seven sacks isn't bad. It's pretty average for a left tackle. Getting into double digits is bad, especially when you don't even play all 16 games.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is what STATS says --

[B]Year    GP    GS    Sacks allowed[/B]
1998    16    12    1.5
1999    16    16    5
2000    16    16    5
2001    16    16    2.5
2002    16    16    7.5
2003    16    16    4.5
2004    16    16    7.5
2005    6    6    2
2006    16    16    7.5
2007    16    16    3.5
2008    16    16    7.25

He played right guard in 1998, then left tackle starting in 1999.

Thanks Adam...

So take away 98 and '05, and he averages 5 sacks a year. With '03 and '07 being his best years. Weren't those contract years?

 

[burmafrd]

You look at his stats and his sacks go up then down every other year.

 

[burmafrd]

The Hotel has allowed about the same number of sacks over the last 3 years as Matt Light of NE, less then Jason Peters and Diehl over the last 3 years.

As regards False starts he had 9 each the last two seasons (a long way from 2 a game). Guess what? Jordan Gross has 26 false starts over the last 5 seasons and the Hotel as 33.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I found him -- STATS says Jeff Backus allowed 15.5 sacks in 2007.

Thanks. Of course Backus was in the Mike Martz system which pretty much gets your QB killed every year.

Unfortunately Mosely didn't do any research. Just take the 'names' that sound sexiest and put them in order. Samuels is clearly the best tackle in the NFCE if he's remotely healthy. Flo can be if he's on his game, but never has had the consistency that Samuels has had.




YAKUZA

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thanks Adam...

So take away 98 and '05, and he averages 5 sacks a year. With '03 and '07 being his best years. Weren't those contract years?

In '03 he'd already gotten his new contract. Remember Parcells talking about trusting the people already there about giving him the new deal, and how they'd have had to draft a LT with their first rounder if they hadn't re-signed him.

 

[BBWC]

You do that Mr Simpson.

You and the uninformed Mr. Mosely.

I just re-watched last season's game at Texas Stadium and saw Diehl repeatedly beaten by anyone and everyone who lined up against him. He was beaten by not only Ware, but Ellis, James, and Spencer as well.

I look forward to many more seasons of that 'dramatic improvement'.

Although I'm not sure how Eli Manning feels about that.

Not going to dispute Diehl had a bad game in week 15, he allowed 2 sacks and was beaten to the edge by Ware on multiple occasions. But judging a player on a one game sample may just be about the dumbest thing you could do. Our starting LG was out with the flu for the game as well, who knows what kind of impact that had on Diehl's performance, but going up against the best pass rusher in the league it couldn't have been helpful.

As for your claim of Ellis, James and Spencer beating Diehl, I rewatched that game a few weeks ago and I don't remember anything of the sort. Ellis and Spencer did most of their damage lining up against that bum Kevin Boothe who was filling in for an injured McKenzie.

Cowboy fans on this site love to point the finger and call others homers for simply stating the truth, but Adams is a has been, and will remain so no matter how much you plug your ears and stomp your feet. This is common knowledge amongst serious fans of the NFC East, he's unreliable, prone to mistakes, and just flat out old. I look forward to watching Romo run for his life this season.

While Diehl's career trends upwards, Adams is on the escalator to retirementville.

 

[Section446]

I don't think that we'll see Adams in a Cowboys uniform after this season.

 

[speedkilz88]

Not going to dispute Diehl had a bad game in week 15, he allowed 2 sacks and was beaten to the edge by Ware on multiple occasions. But judging a player on a one game sample may just be about the dumbest thing you could do. Our starting LG was out with the flu for the game as well, who knows what kind of impact that had on Diehl's performance, but going up against the best pass rusher in the league it couldn't have been helpful.

As for your claim of Ellis, James and Spencer beating Diehl, I rewatched that game a few weeks ago and I don't remember anything of the sort. Ellis and Spencer did most of their damage lining up against that bum Kevin Boothe who was filling in for an injured McKenzie.

Cowboy fans on this site love to point the finger and call others homers for simply stating the truth, but Adams is a has been, and will remain so no matter how much you plug your ears and stomp your feet. This is common knowledge amongst serious fans of the NFC East, he's unreliable, prone to mistakes, and just flat out old. I look forward to watching Romo run for his life this season.

While Diehl's career trends upwards, Adams is on the escalator to retirementville.

Flozell had a stinger on one arm that he couldn't lift over his head and his other hand was blown up with an infection. His LG Kyle Kosier was out for most of the season and you bring up a LG that had the flu?:laugh2:

 

[BBWC]

Flozell had a stinger on one arm that he couldn't lift over his head and his other hand was blown up with an infection. His LG Kyle Kosier was out for most of the season and you bring up a LG that had the flu?:laugh2:

Spare me the injury excuse, when you're in your mid-30s your body starts to break down, that's why age is held as a knock against the guy. Adams had a season to build chemistry with the replacement LG, Diehl had 2-3 days, big difference.

 

[speedkilz88]

Spare me the injury excuse, when you're in your mid-30s your body starts to break down, that's why age is held as a knock against the guy. Adams had a season to build chemistry with the replacement LG, Diehl had 2-3 days, big difference.

Only your excuses for Diehl counts. Got it.

 

[Rampage]

Spare me the injury excuse, when you're in your mid-30s your body starts to break down, that's why age is held as a knock against the guy. Adams had a season to build chemistry with the replacement LG, Diehl had 2-3 days, big difference.

we had 3 different guys play LG last year.

 

[BBWC]

Only your excuses for Diehl counts. Got it.

The point is trying to make excuses for Adams miserable ENTIRE 2008 season is futile. The point is if you want to judge David Diehl don't base it off of his single worst game of the season.

Comprende?

 

[TheCount]

It's not just the sacks allowed obviouslly, he also makes tons of mental mistakes, and not just in terms of false starts. I tend to forgive a lot of that stuff because he does tend to show up against the elite and he gutted it out last year, but he really does need to reduce his mental mistakes.

 

[BBWC]

we had 3 different guys play LG last year.

If it makes you guys feel better, just forget about LG argument, judge Diehl's performance against the Cowboys in Week 15 as an individually terrible game. I'm fine with that. Since trying to figure out what effect having new guys line up next to a player is basically unquantifiable it's really not a discussion worth fleshing out. It was brought up as more of an anecdote anyway.

 

[Rampage]

If it makes you guys feel better, just forget about LG argument, judge Diehl's performance against the Cowboys in Week 15 as an individually terrible game. I'm fine with that. Since trying to figure out what effect having new guys line up next to a player is basically unquantifiable it's really not a discussion worth fleshing out. It was brought up as more of an anecdote anyway.

i'm not judging Diehl off one game. i'm just saying Flo had 3 different guys playing next to him last year so it can get ugly. I think all the LT's in the NFCE are good and there isn't a big gap between the best LT and the worst LT in the east. for example Peters(rated #1 by Mosely) gave up 13 sacks last year in the afc east. Flo(rated #4 by Mosely) gave up 7.5 sacks last year in the nfc east injured and with Brad Johnson back there for 3 games.