ESPN Mosley: Vet on the hot seat: Roy Williams

[Dawgs0916]

Roy started 11 games as a rookie and 12 games in his second season.

Did he now...was that because of injury or just because whoever was in front of him?

If that wasn't because of injury I'll go ahead and stick my foot in my mouth.

 

[gbrittain]

I was so ready to hop out of this argument then you say that. Geez louise broham...it was already stated TO started only 10 games two of his first three years. He was mostly a special teamer! He caught 30 something balls his first year. Thats Patrick Crayton status.

Roy E. Williams was lead dog the minute he was chosen with the Lions first round pick.

Striaght pro-football-reference.com

TO games started:

Year 1 10
Year 2 15
Year 3 10

Roy Williams

Year 1 12
Year 2 12
Year 3 16

Difference of 5 games. That is really not all that relevant either. Starting does not mean much. Didn't Jimmy Johnson punish Michael by not starting him. He missed the first play or series or whatever, but played most of the game.

BTW the first five years of their career RW started 63 games and TO started 62 games. As someone mentioned and unless I missed it, maybe it is unfair to compare RW to TO. TO had Rice opposite him. Isn't that been part of the complaint about RW "Should have put better stats with TO on the other side". TO had Young and Garcia.

Bottom line is you can no doubt make a case for your argument. I would not say you are out in left field or anything like that, but if you want to hold those standards, I don't see how you can ever compare any player to another. Different system, different QB, different era, different draft status, different coaching, different weather, different caliber of teammates, and etcetera.

There is no perfect comparison. All I know is they both started minus 1 game the same amount of games their first five years. They both have advantages and disadvantes. Draft status, team talent, coaching, QB and so on and so forth. In the end the numbers are what the numbers are. And they are not all that different.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Striaght pro-football-reference.com

TO games started:

Year 1 10
Year 2 15
Year 3 10

Roy Williams

Year 1 12
Year 2 12
Year 3 16

Difference of 5 games. That is really not all that relevant either. Starting does not mean much. Didn't Jimmy Johnson punish Michael by not starting him. He missed the first play or series or whatever, but played most of the game.

BTW the first five years of their career RW started 63 games and TO started 62 games. As someone mentioned and unless I missed it, maybe it is unfair to compare RW to TO. TO had Rice opposite him. Isn't that been part of the complaint about RW "Should have put better stats with TO on the other side". TO had Young and Garcia.

Bottom line is you can no doubt make a case for your argument. I would not say you are out in left field or anything like that, but if you want to hold those standards, I don't see how you can ever compare any player to another. Different system, different QB, different era, different draft status, different coaching, different weather, different caliber of teammates, and etcetera.

There is no perfect comparison. All I know is they both started minus 1 game the same amount of games their first five years. They both have advantages and disadvantes. Draft status, team talent, coaching, QB and so on and so forth. In the end the numbers are what the numbers are. And they are not all that different.

Like I said im putting my foot in my mouth on the playing time thing, because I assumed Roy Williams started all his games. I had only checked TOs.

You make solid points on that stuff, but the numbers were not really all that similiar anyway man. TO had him solidly in every one of those categories, and like I said that first year he was primarily a special teams player...he only caught 35.


On a side note I see your from Mckinney. We played Boyd a year ago in the playoffs the year after they were just created or whatever, and we beat you guys but your tiny little quarterback tore us apart. What is he doing? Going to college at all at another position? I don't know if you would even know but I figured I would ask. I think his name was Alves.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Dang, I'm so shocked I need to take an extra dose of high blood pressure medicine tonight.

If you're smart Rampage, you will just agree and shut up. This makes you popular, so join forces with me. We are Super Bowl bound baby!!!!

I literally cannot believe that you are the same guy as Cowboyloveforever. The difference between you back then and you now is shocking.

 

[speedkilz88]

I literally cannot believe that you are the same guy as Cowboyloveforever. The difference between you back then and you now is shocking.

Forever apparently doesn't mean what it use to.

 

[EPL0c0]

nevermind Romo rarely threw him the ball but Roy is the one on the hot seat.

I'm w/ you. Honestly, judging by how they finished the season, I think Roy Wiliams is one of the guys on the team that shouldn't have a whole lot of pressure on him because of the fact he wasn't thrown to much (5rec/16yds last 2 games; Choice had 8rec, Crayton 6rec). But it's Roy under the gun right?

We all watched the games... It's probably just me, but I think RoyE is being set up to be the fall guy should things not work out this season (especially in the passing game). This team had plenty of problems all around, so EVERY guy on the team should be facing huge expecations.


Roy didn't give up 352 rushing yds the last 2 games.
Roy didn't have 6 turnovers the last 2 games.
Roy didn't have a -5 turnover ratio the last 2 games.
Roy wasn't 13/31 on 3rd down the last 2 games (41.9%)
Roy didn't give up 6 sacks the last 2 games.

 

[jimmy40]

Fair enough, and I agree with that whole statement.

But I stand by my argument that comparing those particular two players in their first five years is unfair.

Roy Williams- Longhorn

Dawgs0916 -Tech fan

 

[RamziD]

May 13, 2009 12:00 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley


Cowboys wide receiver Roy Williams will face huge expectations in '09 based on the draft picks the Cowboys gave up to acquire him last season. He was supposed to be the perfect complement to Terrell Owens, but he instead ran around looking lost in the second half of the season. His 19 catches for 198 yards in 10 games were embarrassing in Dallas.

But according to everyone at Valley Ranch, Williams has been one of the team's most committed players this offseason. During the recent rookie minicamp, receivers coach Ray Sherman couldn't stop bragging on how Williams is becoming more of a complete player. And for the Cowboys to have a chance at making the playoffs, Williams has to at least be a threat on the outside.

Veterans on the Hot Seat
• AFC: N | S | E | W
• NFC: N | S | E | W


I can't think of anyone in the division who will face more scrutiny -- outside of the quarterbacks of course. Even former quarterback Troy Aikman has questioned the Williams trade, saying it could by "one of the biggest busts" in league history if it doesn't work out. I think Williams will be better this season, but it's hard to project where that puts him. He's had one Pro Bowl season in the league. Other than that, he's had a very pedestrian career so far.

Honorable mention: I think all eyes will be on Eagles left tackle Jason Peters. Was he worth a first-round draft pick? Well, we're about to find out. Can he return to the form of '07 or will he look like the player who was beaten for way too many sacks in '08? I think he'll be excellent in Philly, but he's still firmly on the hot seat.

If Williams doesn't pan out in Dallas, it would be nowhere near one of the biggests busts in league history. Not even close. That being said the "in league history" was not part of the actual Aikman quote but an inference from Mosely.

 

[gbrittain]

Like I said im putting my foot in my mouth on the playing time thing, because I assumed Roy Williams started all his games. I had only checked TOs.

You make solid points on that stuff, but the numbers were not really all that similiar anyway man. TO had him solidly in every one of those categories, and like I said that first year he was primarily a special teams player...he only caught 35.


On a side note I see your from Mckinney. We played Boyd a year ago in the playoffs the year after they were just created or whatever, and we beat you guys but your tiny little quarterback tore us apart. What is he doing? Going to college at all at another position? I don't know if you would even know but I figured I would ask. I think his name was Alves.

I remember that game, but I did not go. I don't know where he ended up, but I would be curious to know. I will probably be more in the High School loop when my son plays...still got a few years to go for that.

I disagree though that the numbers are not all that close. I don't know intimately the 49er situation his rookie year. Maybe he did play a lot of special teams, but at least when he played he had an actual QB throwing him the ball.

However, most would say TO is a sure fire HOFer. Is going to be 2nd behind Rice when it is al said and done in terms of stats. The TDs are definitely off TOs pace, but if RW is only off that pace by 7 catches and 133 yards per year then this is going to be an outstanding trade.

 

[casmith07]

Hmm. I hope everyone remembers that logic the next time someone brings up aikman, eli, peyton, ben and phillip rivers in comparison to romo!

yeah forreal...except that Romo was undrafted.